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redherring
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morscata12 wrote:
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It's very clearly a VHS tape of some sort (VHS, VHS-C, etc.). You don't get that kind of tracking on a regular DV tape. Also, DV tapes weren't really... around in 1991. My parents had a VHS camcorder. I think this is meant to be from that (hence the aspect ratio being 4:3 instead of 16:9 and it being uploaded in 480p instead of HD).

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I figured it was a VHS tape. There were some in the hotel safe (see http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31419&start=287). I probably could have cut down my "proof that the tape wasn't from Jay" with that, huh? Wink

Do you know if you can write/draw directly onto a VHS tape, and have it show up like the Operator symbol did in this entry?


Oh snap! Didn't realize that (shows how well I was paying attention Razz ) Maybe this WAS from the safe, although I'm not sure how our good pal Jay got his hands on a VHS deck while on-the-run. They've harder to come by these days. Razz

From the looks of it, no, you can't draw directly on VHS tape. I may be mistaken, there might be a way to do that, but it's read digitally, not analog. If you've ever looked at the tape, it's just black, unlike film which is frame-by-frame and then projected.
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morscata12 wrote:
It doesn't make sense that Jay would have this tape, right? Where did he get it? He was meticulous about labeling the tapes (to avoid another MH tape scenario), but it doesn't seem like he would be able to put any date label on this one. So we can guess that this is one of the unlabeled tapes.

Why would he check an unlabeled tape? I think this tweet holds the answer:
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The last few tapes have just been of me driving around by myself. Where did Alex go?


My theory is that Jay was going through the tapes by date, and was getting nervous that he wasn't getting anywhere. So he checks one of the other tapes, and finds "something that makes [him] not want to go through the rest of these tapes".

The perspective of the video makes these look like someone in Alex's family filmed this. So if this is from Alex's collection of tapes, how did Jay get his hands on it? It's very likely that Alex handed them over to Jay as evidence of how deep this Operator business gets.

Since this is a home movie of Alex's birthday, either Alex or his parents watched it at some point - and noticed the Operator. The story from here depends greatly on WHO watched the tape, and WHEN they noticed the Operator. Maybe his mom knew about the Operator, and kept it a secret from Alex. Or maybe Alex saw it right before MH, which led him to film a fake movie. We'll find out eventually, but this does add a lot to the MH mythos.

One last thing - did the Operator symbol get drawn onto the tape in the past by Alex or his family, or was it added to the YouTube clip by Jay? I assume it was drawn onto the tape, as Jay had the Entry all ready to go. This entry is the first Season 2 entry not in HD, so I'm guessing Jay was trying to maintain its original state.


ive been thinking about this too- i'm assuming that it's a tape from the collection that J found in the hotel safe...my feelings lean towards tim placing it in the safe. that's based on an assumption that tim is the one who placed the paper with the combination on in jessica's room after she disappeared, and thus would have had access to the safe during the period where J's memory is blank.

but like you say, if alex was aware of this tape, something makes me think that he would have seen this tape after he started to film himself obsessively - maybe in a search for answers, or some other untold reason, he looked through his old family tapes and found it. with this scenario you have the question of what alex was trying to tell J by showing him this tape (or- whether tim stole the tape from alex..). so many questions

until they start filling in the blanks we will be kept guessing.

as for the operator symbol, it must be a touch of the slender video magic, as it's an old tape not a digital one. (unless im really mistaken here)

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 		Do you know if you can write/draw directly onto a VHS tape, and have it show up like the Operator symbol did in this entry?[/quote]

If you can it explains why the Operator is outside the video boundary.

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 		Guess who's back, back again!
Anyhow, I dunno if this has been said but that music, it seems so threaded and perfect although I haven't got the time to check, anyone wanna run some analysis on that little tune?

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Undertheark wrote:
Guess who's back, back again!
Anyhow, I dunno if this has been said but that music, it seems so threaded and perfect although I haven't got the time to check, anyone wanna run some analysis on that little tune?


I'll see what I can do. Currently working on taking the video apart, and I'm going to try to remove that static bar. No luck so far, then again I just started.

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IonCharge wrote:
Do you know if you can write/draw directly onto a VHS tape, and have it show up like the Operator symbol did in this entry?

If you can it explains why the Operator is outside the video boundary.


If you haven't yet, look at the video currently uploaded. It's been 'fixed' and the Operator doesn't break the boundary. Regardless, if you could draw on a VHS tape (which, as I mentioned a few posts ago, you cannot) you wouldn't be able to draw outside the boundary of the frame. Otherwise, if you did, it wouldn't show up anyway - the frame is there because it sets the boundaries for what's read by the VHS player. If it leaked over, you wouldn't see it completely.

Sorry if that sounds jerk-ish... Confused
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 		A thought: earlier this week the Corenthal Connection came out - the first EMH video in a good while with a really meaty Slendy-sighting that puts Slendy right at the heart of the plot again rather than sort of standing off at the edge not doing much. Now we've had the Operator making his first really unambiguous appearance in Season 2 of MH. And we're expecting another TT video by the end of the week in which there seems to be good odds of a Slendy sighting.

This is kind of like the major vlogs' Halloween: "The week HE came home!"

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
A thought: earlier this week the Corenthal Connection came out - the first EMH video in a good while with a really meaty Slendy-sighting that puts Slendy right at the heart of the plot again rather than sort of standing off at the edge not doing much. Now we've had the Operator making his first really unambiguous appearance in Season 2 of MH. And we're expecting another TT video by the end of the week in which there seems to be good odds of a Slendy sighting.

This is kind of like the major vlogs' Halloween: "The week HE came home!"

I've dabbled with the thought that all the Slenderman series are connected somehow (other than they all having Slenderman of course), but it seems a little out there to me. I mean, I'm sure we could patch together a theory somehow, but I don't think they are aware of each other. But how awesome would it be if they were, and were working together?!

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redherring wrote:

It's very clearly a VHS tape of some sort (VHS, VHS-C, etc.). You don't get that kind of tracking on a regular DV tape. Also, DV tapes weren't really... around in 1991. My parents had a VHS camcorder. I think this is meant to be from that (hence the aspect ratio being 4:3 instead of 16:9 and it being uploaded in 480p instead of HD).



or maybe a hi8 camcorder. i own a hi8 camcorder that looks very similar to the video.
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redherring wrote:
IonCharge wrote:
Do you know if you can write/draw directly onto a VHS tape, and have it show up like the Operator symbol did in this entry?

If you can it explains why the Operator is outside the video boundary.


If you haven't yet, look at the video currently uploaded. It's been 'fixed' and the Operator doesn't break the boundary. Regardless, if you could draw on a VHS tape (which, as I mentioned a few posts ago, you cannot) you wouldn't be able to draw outside the boundary of the frame. Otherwise, if you did, it wouldn't show up anyway - the frame is there because it sets the boundaries for what's read by the VHS player. If it leaked over, you wouldn't see it completely.

Sorry if that sounds jerk-ish... Confused


No problems, was going on the screencap someone posted earlier Smile

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Slender Hunter wrote:
I've dabbled with the thought that all the Slenderman series are connected somehow (other than they all having Slenderman of course), but it seems a little out there to me. I mean, I'm sure we could patch together a theory somehow, but I don't think they are aware of each other. But how awesome would it be if they were, and were working together?!

I wasn't seriously suggesting a crossover - I know that at least some of the Slendervlog/blog creators talk to each other OOG, but I'm pretty sure MH isn't going in for any tie-ins. I just thought it was a nice coincidence.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:

I wasn't seriously suggesting a crossover - I know that at least some of the Slendervlog/blog creators talk to each other OOG, but I'm pretty sure MH isn't going in for any tie-ins. I just thought it was a nice coincidence.


Oh, Sorry for the mix up. Yea, it is a coincidence. I'm in a speculative mood right now, so I'm tending to analyze things a bit deeper than I should right now!

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redherring wrote:

I figured it was a VHS tape. There were some in the hotel safe (see http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31419&start=287). I probably could have cut down my "proof that the tape wasn't from Jay" with that, huh? Wink


I used to make movies with a VHS camcorder as a kid, and they had the exact same format - blue screen when not recording, same timestamp, everything. Could even be the same camera used here. That confirms something for me:

The video has been digitally edited before it was uploaded, because the music plays over the blue screen. When you recorded on one of those, the parts of the tape that were blank showed up blue during playback. If the sound was recorded using the camera, there'd be something on the screen too. Going to assume the operator symbol was added in too.

Not sure about the Big Man himself, whether that's on the tape or added in. The timestamp havoc is consistent with what we've seen before, but it could be edited in.

Also, are people honestly thinking that a 3-foot tall Slenderman runs past the camera in a striped polo shirt? That's clearly a child running very close to the camera. Apologies if this is a joke that's gone over my head, I'm at work and haven't read the entire thread yet.

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 		When they started singing Happy Birthday, all I could think was: So THAT'S what slenderman sounds like

Also, meh entry, it seems like he threw in Slenderman for the heck of it this time.

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cochinosanchez wrote:
redherring wrote:

It's very clearly a VHS tape of some sort (VHS, VHS-C, etc.). You don't get that kind of tracking on a regular DV tape. Also, DV tapes weren't really... around in 1991. My parents had a VHS camcorder. I think this is meant to be from that (hence the aspect ratio being 4:3 instead of 16:9 and it being uploaded in 480p instead of HD).



or maybe a hi8 camcorder. i own a hi8 camcorder that looks very similar to the video.


True that - I have one of those too, and it's technically analog video like VHS, so it might be that too. Was Hi-8 available in '91 though? I'm not getting anything conclusive in my searching.

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lwesquire wrote:
redherring wrote:

I figured it was a VHS tape. There were some in the hotel safe (see http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31419&start=287). I probably could have cut down my "proof that the tape wasn't from Jay" with that, huh? Wink


I used to make movies with a VHS camcorder as a kid, and they had the exact same format - blue screen when not recording, same timestamp, everything. Could even be the same camera used here. That confirms something for me:

The video has been digitally edited before it was uploaded, because the music plays over the blue screen. When you recorded on one of those, the parts of the tape that were blank showed up blue during playback. If the sound was recorded using the camera, there'd be something on the screen too. Going to assume the operator symbol was added in too.

Not sure about the Big Man himself, whether that's on the tape or added in. The timestamp havoc is consistent with what we've seen before, but it could be edited in.

Also, are people honestly thinking that a 3-foot tall Slenderman runs past the camera in a striped polo shirt? That's clearly a child running very close to the camera. Apologies if this is a joke that's gone over my head, I'm at work and haven't read the entire thread yet.


There's a chance that's the case, but you can dub audio onto a VHS. That's technically editing (and I agree, this video has, to some degree, been edited IG) but that could have been done either before or after TTA/Masky/Jay got their hands on it. We're also not entirely sure yet the power/significance of the Operator symbol - it looks 'added in' but maybe the symbol has some significance to his presence. It's a long shot, but an idea to not throw out quite yet.

In terms of the date/time insanity, I still have to say that to edit that in would be kind of... pointless, and at the least very inconvenient to do. You'd have to find a way to key out or overlay on top of the date originally there, then directly mimic the date/time stamping font, size, and positioning. OOG, they might have, but IG it seems like too much work to put in. I'd say that it's legit from the original source. The Operator might have been added-in, but again, I think it's an imprint (not necessarily 'HE WAS THERE!' but 'His presence passed through this point in time').

And I would hope nobody thinks one of the kids is Slendy. Razz Most likely joking, possibly trolling, but I'd assume it's a joke.
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