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Defining "Masky"
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mokie
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Philosopher Xu wrote:
5. Masky has an unknown interest in Jay.


Maybe not so unknown. Were you to snoop around in my crazylair and steal my pills, I'd break into your house and sit on your dresser too.

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Okay, prepare for WOT-mode. For the first time, I'm going to post a forever-long thing. NEW THEORY. I would like to stress here at the beginning that this is a theory only, with very little real evidence, which will be cited in-text. My fiancée and I were discussing it this afternoon and we've got a pretty coherent thing going here, but again, not perfect, and just a theory.

The theory starts with some Operator-heavy theory, but it will wind around to Masky, so bear with me. The Operator has been following Alex since childhood (enttry #37), but not as a malevolent force, as a guardian of sorts. Alex isn't aware, but he's been there. He's not readily visible, and often doesn't cause a fuss, but then Alex got into filming.

Alex begins filming a student movie with some "free" actors from the area, including a friend-of-his-friend Brian, namely Tim. This is where most theories of the Operator as a good guy fall apart, because the force that he's opposing is not ever gotten to, we never think about who he's trying to get if it's not Alex. What if Tim is not normal? Like, supernatural, evil and out to kill kill kill? We only see Brian a few times, and afterwards, Tim is always making excuses for why Brian isn't there, "he's out getting snacks," "he's... somewhere." What if Tim killed Brian early on, and he's trying to kill others, maybe for some kind of demonic thing? Maybe he's as much of monster, if not more, than we see the Operator?

So Alex starts seeing the Operator in the background of his videos and thinks that he's something creepy or malevolent. He starts filming himself nonstop in an effort to keep the Operator away,but Tim (being the evil, supernatural thing that he might be) knows that the camera isn't working and slips the little "f*ck you" wink into Entry #9's tape to let him know that he knows.

In entry #14 then, we see the Operator slip into Alex's room (at Brian's house...) unnoticed except by the camera, and then he's gone when Alex wakes up and pans the room, head bloodied. What if the Operator was coming in to get Tim, who had materialized off-camera behind Alex to do some damage? And when Alex sees the footage, he's all the more sure that the Operator's a baddy trying to get his brain!

Of course, what he's really up to whenever he's at Brian's (and Alex's?) house is checking to make sure Tim isn't there, but there's no way that Alex knows that, since our slender friend doesn't talk to anyone.

Alex stops filming and leaves, hoping the whole situation is behind him, leaving the tapes with Jay at his insistence.
And nothing happens.
Until Jay starts posting videos, attracting attention from Tim, the Operator, and Alex. Tim because he sees a way to get back to Alex, the Operator because he sees a potential threat to Alex's security, and Alex because he sees the whole thing starting again. Tim finds Jay and has an interview, deciding at first that he should just eat Jay's brain and get it over with. But then in the house he has an idea, maybe because he senses the Operator nearby. He thinks tat if the Operator is aware of this, then he could find Alex, so he starts just messing with Jay hoping Alex will get sloppy and Tim will find him.

The Operator sees a breach in security that could lead Tim to Alex again, and goes initially to take Jay out (he might be a guardian, but no one said that means he's a nice guy), but then Alex takes note, and since he in the meantime has figured things out (an assumption) he starts posting videos to deter Jay, hoping that he can lead Jay away from Tim and "totheark," a place of safety from Tim for whatever reason.

And then, when things get really serious (entry #19) and Tim leads Jay off to the house hoping to maybe get the Operator to kill Jay, which of course would really get Alex's attention. But the Operator doesn't come for a while, so Tim gets bored and leaves. Then Alex comes zooming in with a camera to lure the Operator away from Jay, possibly meaning "it's okay, we've found you forever, we can protect you from Tim."

That was, of course, Tim's opportunity, and he starts biding his time to make things happen from there. He hacks Jay's AND Alex's youtubes, leaving messages for each other. "The following is raw footage excerpts from Alex Kralie" "Smile for DEATH" And "we will wait for you no more," "you will lead me to the ark," saying that he's going to disable whatever Alex was using to keep him away.

And then he springs all of his traps. He leaves the camera to trap Alex, getting his girlfriend terrified, and putting him on the run until he can explain the whole thing to Amy. Then he sends that, to Jay, knowing that Jay will think that the Operator was there to kill Alex, and that he needs help, getting him to go to the shack house in the recent entries. Simultaneously, he gets Alex to go there, and tries to use that opportunity to stab Alex, but together the two get the jump on him.

And Alex, who has figured this all out, tries to stab Tim back, but Jay prevents it since he doesn't know the whole story, and instead just gets to disable the beast, dropping a rock on his leg and explaining to Jay later that he "could've done worse, and probably should have!"

As to the slendersickness, it might be an initial tactic by the Operator to deter people who would be detrimental to Alex's safety, which would be why Alex never got it, but both Jay and Tim got it bad.

And that's what we theorized about that.
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TheMusicChick
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So my fiance and I were theorizing this afternoon

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Slenderman can only be a gardian figure if the makers give a resounding F you to the slenderman mythos


that being said Masky can be a total supernatural bad guy out to murder you in your sleep, And slenderman also be a seperate evil entity entirely.

Perhaps both figures being evil in their own sperate regards have some beef with each other. and Alex and Jay are just caught in the middle.

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mokie
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TheBioGuy wrote:
Tim because he sees a way to get back to Alex...

The Operator sees a breach in security that could lead Tim to Alex again, and goes initially to take Jay out...

And then [Tim] springs all of his traps. He leaves the camera to trap Alex...


Items #1 and #2 are incompatible with Item #3.

If Tim had access to plant the camera, then he already had access to Alex. He did not need a complicated string of traps that depended upon Jay hotel-jumping on the slim chance he would inadvertently catch Alex's attention--he had an address and an unsuspecting victim.

Also, what TheMusicChick said, x1000.

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mokie wrote:
TheBioGuy wrote:
Tim because he sees a way to get back to Alex...

The Operator sees a breach in security that could lead Tim to Alex again, and goes initially to take Jay out...

And then [Tim] springs all of his traps. He leaves the camera to trap Alex...


Items #1 and #2 are incompatible with Item #3.

If Tim had access to plant the camera, then he already had access to Alex. He did not need a complicated string of traps that depended upon Jay hotel-jumping on the slim chance he would inadvertently catch Alex's attention--he had an address and an unsuspecting victim.

Also, what TheMusicChick said, x1000.


Okay, a few things. First, you missed a spot.
TheBioGuy wrote:
Then Alex comes zooming in with a camera to lure the Operator away from Jay, possibly meaning "it's okay, we've found you forever, we can protect you from Tim."

That was, of course, Tim's opportunity, and he starts biding his time to make things happen from there.


That is to say, tim found out about that and began plotting to make #26 happen. So prior to the Return video that happened in response to #19, Tim did not know, AND THEN HE DID, after Alex set up the camera for Return. So then he WAS able to plant the camera after trailing Alex.

Also, TheMusicChick (the fiancée I mentioned earlier) (and I am the fiancé that she mentioned. Look at the format of our names, our locations, and the introductions to our theories...) was not trying to refute me. She was posting the results of further speculation and concern that we found when I was composing the wall-o-text up there.
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TheMusicChick
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exactly. while you can make a good argument for slenderman to be a gaurdian figure. we realize that it is fucntionaly impossible for reasons mentioned earlier.

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Len
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Huh.That would be a pretty warm and fluffy twist though the above poster's right: if TiMasky could get access to either Alex or his girlfriend enough to plant his old camera there he could do a lot more. One option might be that the Operator was still hanging around as opposed to appearing spontaniouslyafter the camera started rolling and that was the limit of TiMasky's powers. The other is that TiMasky isn't so much bent on physical harm/death but wants to Alex to do something else (at odds with the knife fight though).

Since theory's already leaving the normal Slenderman mythos though, I like to think that the Operator himself planted the camera there: "Hey Alex, remember me? I spent all these years looking after you! Remember that Slender doll you left at that mean boy's house? Alex! Hello!"

Crying or Very sad


In defence to that last one, something had to move the seesaw in entry 4. If T hs some physical presence can mybe move a camera when no one's watching.

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mokie
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TheBioGuy wrote:
Okay, a few things. First, you missed a spot.


Damn! That's what I get for wearing white pants.

TheBioGuy wrote:
That is to say, tim found out about that and began plotting to make #26 happen. So prior to the Return video that happened in response to #19, Tim did not know, AND THEN HE DID, after Alex set up the camera for Return. So then he WAS able to plant the camera after trailing Alex.


What I got for your original post was the following speculation: Tim is evil, the Operator is protecting Alex, Alex gets away from both, Tim uses Jay to lure Alex back out/find his way to Alex. Yes? No? Fishsticks?

If that is indeed what you were going for, the problem is the idea that Tim, instead of just stabbing Alex outright in his new domicile, planted a camera to draw the Operator, Alex's [speculated] protector, back to him.

In short: curse your bodyguard and your hiding ability! Let me sneak into the place you are hiding and trigger your bodyguard alarm so that I may find you, even though I just did, and without your bodyguard, even though I just did.

That's the logic that is not logicking. Perhaps there's some nuance of meaning happening in the face-to-face discussions that didn't get translated to the WOT.

TheBioGuy wrote:
Also, TheMusicChick (the fiancée I mentioned earlier) (and I am the fiancé that she mentioned. Look at the format of our names, our locations, and the introductions to our theories...) was not trying to refute me. She was posting the results of further speculation and concern that we found when I was composing the wall-o-text up there.


I was not mentioning her in an attempt to refute you. My apologies for the lack of clarity! Smile It was a non-related "I agree with this spoiler" statement.[/spoiler]

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I'm enjoying this thread since I theorized that the pills were seizure meds months ago, but then I figured I was projecting, so I forgot about it.

True story: About a year ago, I was diagnosed with epilepsy. That's truly a special kind of hell. Whenever you get put onto medication for the first time, your brain doesn't know what to do, and you spend about six weeks seizing so much you make Ian Curtis look normal. Also, you just don't go into your full dosage at once; you build up to that for weeks. After a bit, your brain feels fuzzy, and you have problems remembering anything, mainly because memories simply don't cross from short-term to long-term. (Maybe that's why MH had a sort of emotional effect on me -- in a round-about way, at the time I could relate with the physical symptoms the characters were going through.)

It's an interesting theory about the seizure meds because the only reason why a person would be on them in the first place is because they have a brain that doesn't function normally -- it has a much higher and erratic electrical output. Seizure meds try to slow down this whole process and get neurons working together instead of firing off random impulses and throwing the whole brain out of whack so it has to restart itself (kind of like a computer).

So, let's say for a second that Tim was an epileptic. Maybe he wasn't diagnosed until shortly before the MH "film" started production (a person can develop epilepsy at any time, and there's some forms of epilepsy that are present for a person's whole life, but don't become highly noticeable until early adulthood.) His brain isn't normal. All of the craziness starts happening. Everybody else is affected, but he isn't. Because, let me tell you something -- epilepsy is its own time machine. Truly, you can lose a whole night, fall back a few hours, even stop existing for a few seconds.

But maybe the medication slows down the entire process, including whatever weird neurological thing The Operator does to people.

My theory is that Tim/Masky figured this out. You know the TTA video where Slendy was walking toward the camera, and Jay was obviously drugged and out of it? Well, what if he was given a whole crapload of anticonvulsant meds to "protect" him, when in reality it would dope a "normal" brain to oblivion?

Hell, what if he was given an obscene amount of anticonvulsants every day for seven months? He wouldn't remember a damn thing. At that point, he'd be lucky if he could remember his own name.

Oh, I just thought of something else. MAYBE (this is highly speculative) anticonvulsant medication can slow a "normal" brain down to stop putting out enough of an electrical signal to be detected by Slendy.

At any rate, whenever Masky had a "seizure" in that one video, I had to watch it three different times to figure out what the hell he was doing. That's the sole complaint I have about MH -- they don't know what a tonic-clonic seizure looks like.

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mokie wrote:
What I got for your original post was the following speculation: Tim is evil, the Operator is protecting Alex, Alex gets away from both, Tim uses Jay to lure Alex back out/find his way to Alex. Yes? No? Fishsticks?

If that is indeed what you were going for, the problem is the idea that Tim, instead of just stabbing Alex outright in his new domicile, planted a camera to draw the Operator, Alex's [speculated] protector, back to him.

In short: curse your bodyguard and your hiding ability! Let me sneak into the place you are hiding and trigger your bodyguard alarm so that I may find you, even though I just did, and without your bodyguard, even though I just did.

That's the logic that is not logicking. Perhaps there's some nuance of meaning happening in the face-to-face discussions that didn't get translated to the WOT.


The problem was something that TheMusicChick and I were taking for granted that didn't translate well...

Okay, so the thing was that maybe Tim can only cause damage in certain places, the house, the shack, or something... So his option when plotting to hurt Alex had to involve getting Alex to go somewhere.

So he planted the camera, knowing it would freak Amy out, and then he could send the tape to Jay to get him running to "save" Alex, and Alex would have to go pull Jay out of the trap that Tim had set.

Does that make more sense, mokie? I just want this theory to be really coherent even if it most probably won't happen.

And Figety-

Interesting thoughts. Good to hear some perspective from someone who really knows what these theories mean. I especially liked the thought that the anticonvulsants could slow the brain's electric signals to camouflage people from the Operator.
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I especially liked the thought that the anticonvulsants could slow the brain's electric signals to camouflage people from the Operator.


I don't why it never hit me before. Obviously, the pills are a somewhat significant puzzle piece, directly or indirectly.

Anticonvulsants aside, I actually have some odd theories that, if anything, would probably be an entertaining read. I'm new, so I don't know where to post them.

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TheBioGuy wrote:
Okay, so the thing was that maybe Tim can only cause damage in certain places, the house, the shack, or something... So his option when plotting to hurt Alex had to involve getting Alex to go somewhere.

So he planted the camera, knowing it would freak Amy out, and then he could send the tape to Jay to get him running to "save" Alex, and Alex would have to go pull Jay out of the trap that Tim had set.

Does that make more sense, mokie? I just want this theory to be really coherent even if it most probably won't happen.


Definitely more sense. Whatever he wants to do to Alex requires certain conditions first--Alex needs to be in a certain place (explaining the significance of the abandoned house) or near a certain person (hullo, Jay!), or possibly away from someone or someplace that's offering him some form of protection (suggesting that Alex has just given up and learned to selectively not-see the Operator by not using video equipment).

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I always just kind of assumed Tim was a good guy.

I mean he's never hurt Jay other than tackling him, and tackling typically happens for two reasons: to pin someone or to push them out of the way. I guess that sounds stupid because technically he's never gotten the chance to hurt Jay after he's tackled him and he might actually intend to, but he HAS had the chance to hurt Jay in other instances and didn't.

Like when he's chilling in Jay's room or when he runs past Jay to attack Alex. Neither time did he seem to have any malicious intent towards Jay other than to be a crazy weirdo.

I can't really explain away the tackling and stalker sh*t with anything better than that he's trying to watch and/or protect Jay. But it sort of makes sense, considering (assuming Tim is TTA) he wants Jay to lead him to something.

Also: I AM curious as to why Jay seems to forget things whenever TiMasky is around. That would probably support the 'insane magical asshole' theory, but maybe it's just Slendy's doing. Or Jay is just losing it.

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My theory (which I have recently concocted and haven't refined) is that perhaps Masky isn't a person wearing a mask, but a mask on a person. I mean that the mask is somehow sentient. Pehaps Slendy's face? I don't know, and probably will never know.

Mabye the Mask is a way for Slender Man to work as two people (working under the theory that there is only one Slender Man). This could explain why there is possibly more than one Masky, assuming the twitpic with the mask is not Tim.

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Also, its worth mentioning that Tim is not exactly just a psycho in a mask...I mean, he teleports into a room. At the very least he can interfere with electronics, and do so willingly (as to prevent the camera from filming his entry), which is also not something normal people can do with their minds.
Just throwing it out there that Tim clearly has something up his sleeve he is using.

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