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[SPEC] The spider and the flea
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Starblade
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[SPEC] The spider and the flea

As we all probably know by now, the Pious Flea has been seen saying:

Survive
Evade
Resist
Escape

to help protect the SP.

Durga 'likes to find things'. The Flea's original mantra:

Seek the truth
Behold the truth
Reveal the truth
That is the law and the whole of the law

has been switched with Melissa's SERE mantra slowly. The Sleeping Princess likes to 'commandeer' things, and play games.

What if the Apocalypso didn't come with one autonomous unit, but two? What if the Flea wasn't an uninvited guest? One to repair a disabled or broken AI, and one to remind it what it does? Maybe the SPDR was meant to repair 'physical' damage, and the Pious Flea to repair 'mental' damage?

Although, this doesn't make complete sense, because the Flea helped destroy the SPDR. But perhaps the crash damaged the Flea, or the Flea felt the SPDR was a threat to the AIs mental capability, thus Melissa's little breakdowns? Maybe the Pious Flea's objectives take priority over the SPDRs, because what good is the AI if it doesn't know what to do? At least if the AI knew what to do, it could tell the crew how to do it.


Maybe Melissa and Durga were two larger and more powerful parts of the AI, with the Sleeping Princess just for emotion and/or problem solving? After all, before the crash, The Operator cared a lot for her crew, and seemed to be much more human before splitting into 3, and the Sleeping Princess doesn't want to be a part of the whole again, maybe she hates what they do, or, if she somehow remembers (subconsciously) a part of her past, she resents what she has become.

Melissa seems to remember more about Seeking (the directions and compass bit a while back), Durga about Revealing ("I like to find things"), and the SP about Beholding (she keeps giving us the completed files in order).

So, what do you think? Please tell me if there are any inconsistencies with what is known.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:39 pm
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This is pretty wild spec, but it pleases me. I've been thinking along the same lines, but I think the Flea is trying to maintain the spatial-temporal link between Melissa and Durga. At this point, we've got next to no information concerning that link, so it's all spec.

Still, I like this theory.
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It would seem like Durga is the one that's "Seeking". And Melissa really seems to be more about hiding things more than anything else (the opposite of reveal). But the SP certainly seems to like to point out the things Melissa is hiding ("Behold"?). Perhaps this is an indication of Melissa being broken and the Flea, by working to reveal what Melissa is hiding is trying to fix things.

If the Spider was really malfunctioning (the axon put out at sea, Melissa saying it was hindering her regeneration) then perhaps the Flea really is a backup program and took over the Spider's job in his own way when he saw things going the wrong way. Or, based on his name, perhaps he was built into the AI as a security precaution. At least one definition of "Pious" is "Professing or exhibiting a strict, traditional sense of virtue and morality; high-minded." So perhaps he was built in by the AI's creators to make sure she sticks to her pre-programmed objectives.

The Spider is really interesting to me though. Are these just repair programs? Or could they have been used in converting the human brain to AI stuff? The SP mentioned in her beach story that she witnessed a boy whose face was eaten by spiders. I kind of think this might be a metaphor for someone else in the same program being "processed" into an AI (or perhaps a failed attempt at doing so). And that might be why the SP didn't object much to the Widow being killed and thinking she was kind of icky.

Just some more wild spec to throw out there while we're on the subject :p

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Well, when I said the part with the Flea getting rid of the SPDR, I meant that the Flea's tasks had a higher priority than the SPDR's, and that the Flea might have thought that the SPDR's repairs would cause more 'mental' damage, so, the Flea decided to do away with it, by telling Melissa it was a better version. For the rest, read the top post. Glad some people read this!
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Spiders and Fleas, oh my!

Wow. Intriguing [SPEC].

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Maybe Melissa and Durga were two larger and more powerful parts of the AI, with the Sleeping Princess just for emotion and/or problem solving? After all, before the crash, The Operator cared a lot for her crew, and seemed to be much more human before splitting into 3, and the Sleeping Princess doesn't want to be a part of the whole again, maybe she hates what they do, or, if she somehow remembers (subconsciously) a part of her past, she resents what she has become.


I think Melissa has shown caring for her crew, but she's alone, she's got memory failure, Dana accidentally attempted to kill her, and she doesn't know who she can trust.

That would make me crabby.

I would say, however, that perhaps the reason Melissa is attempting to neutralize the SP is because unconsciously she's uncomfortable with that part of herself and sees it as something that weakens her.

Again, very nice [SPEC].
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Starblade
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Thanks, you have a good point. Maybe Melissa is the, well, I don't want to say brainwashed, but I can't think of a better word right now. Maybe Melissa was the part that was brainwashed in the AI making process, to do her job, and the SP is a part that managed to resist the conversion to a Military AI. Perhaps it's not the SP that resents the militaristic parts of her, but Melissa, who resents the human in her, that makes her weaker.

The SPDR and the Flea still intrigue me, though. Perhaps there is another autonomous program with Durga, but we don't know about it because she doesn't mention it, or it's been destroyed or something.
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Maybe the flea terminated the SPDR because it's job had been done and it would have taken up memory on an otherwise crammed server? OR the flea could be a newer version SPDR literally, and the SPDR got deleted because it was an older version like Melissa ordered.

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Digiwizzard wrote:
Maybe the flea terminated the SPDR because it's job had been done and it would have taken up memory on an otherwise crammed server?

SPDR's job wasn't done. All indications are that it was going to go back and repair the mess it had made of Melissa's memory in the process of getting her online.
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OR the flea could be a newer version SPDR literally, and the SPDR got deleted because it was an older version like Melissa ordered.

Then why did it have to try three times to pull that off? The first time it presented itself as SPDR, the real SPDR queried its version number, and Flea, thoroughly stumped, answered zero. SPDR noted that "0" was clearly less than its own version number, and attacked. The second time it presented itself as SPDR, and SPDR queried its version number, Flea tried the exact same version number as the real SPDR (which it saw because SPDR blabbed its version number while comparing it to "0" the first time.) That didn't work either, because SPDR had zero tolerance for a second instance of itself on the same system. Only on the Flea's third attempt to pass itself off as SPDR, to Melissa, did it report a higher version number than the real SPDR and thus gain deletion authority on SPDR.
...this makes it very difficult to argue the case that PF really is what it claimed to be.
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