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[jackofnotrades]

Wall of text, I choose you!

I agree that we shouldn't force suspicion based on things that we've seen in hidden videos, especially when we can't even place those events in our reality/timeline/setting. I mean there is also the footage of the boys underwater, possibly drowning - should we be pushing them to always wear life vests at all times? And yes, the kitchen scene with Evan is pretty unsettling, but was that an actual event? Jeff doesn't seem to have any meat cleaver wounds, and the conversation doesn't really have anything that places it at any specific point in time. Even if these scenes that are being shared with us are actual events, you'd still have to consider who is sharing them - if Habit is giving us this information, it could easily be him trying to put suspicion on Evan and allowing him to run around stab-happy in someone else's body.

They should be cautious of each other and on the lookout for strange behavior, but assuming that they remember anything from the videos that they've posted, they already should be appropriately concerned for each other.

The last thing we should be trying to do is cause a rift of any kind between the boys + damsel. At this point they've all shown at least some sign that they are not completely fine after all that has happened to them, so if it comes down to playing the "you've been acting crazy" game, the finger can be pointed in just about any direction. It's like in those old twilight zone episodes where paranoia takes over and everyone accuses everyone else of being the "bad guys", just so when the "bad guys" really do show up, the people are all a scattered, chaotic mess. Sounds like something ole' Habit would do in his free time... or at least take credit for doing.

[qaqa]

Like I've said, I agree with not assuming anything - I'm open to any number of answers regarding HABIT. And I think you're all absolutely right about not dividing them or making them suspect each other; that's the last thing I want. It's essential, IMO, that they hang together.

However, Evan approached me, not vice versa; I alerted Jeff to the post on CYSTW, then told him to check on those two since I knew they were there and that Steph's tumblr had been hacked. A fairly innocuous message, except Evan read the subtext of UF's recurring discussions into it - and he was perhaps right to do that, but it was not in what I wrote, although I did ask if everyone was accounted for. I suspect it was simply sent to indicate they knew very well what we talked about here versus how we present ourselves to them, but at no point did I try to turn them on Evan, nor would I want to. Evan raised the issue with me - he opened the door, so I walked through it. If he wants to have that discussion, let's have it, instead of bullshitting for the sake of niceties and pretending the issue doesn't exist. That hasn't helped anyone. And what would have happened the other way? I lie to him, say 'oh dude we totally didn't mean that,' maybe soothsay him for a day and then he comes back around and finds another 3 pages of people wondering about his sanity and potential for psychosis? We would be back in the same place.

And I think that doing it this way, carefully - telling him he's not at fault, telling him we believe him, telling him we fear for all of them and don't want them not to trust each other - is the right and open way to handle it. I did everything I could to calm him down and not try to put him in a position of feeling downtrodden and persecuted.

[Phenom]

Am I missing something?

The Angora chat keeps terminating on me when I try to go on it.

[MattCSidd]

Guys, sprites for EverymanHybrid have been made for me. If anyone wants to use them message me either on here or deviantArt.


http://lekonua.deviantart.com/#/d3gcblm

[arcanadei]

looks pretty nice. what engine you going with?

[Mimzy]

Wow, I can't tell you how happy I am to realize you're all pretty much having the same thoughts and feelings on things that I am right now. Saves me from writing a wall of text... XD

There was a HABIT catch idea or two I wanted to throw out though... that maybe we could suggest to the guys. The first one is kind of obvious, so pardon me if it's been brought up before, but basically just the idea that it's about time the guys start "Marble Hornets"-ing it and set up cameras 24/7... assuming The Voyeur isn't already doing that anyways. I get the feeling that'd be hard to get them to go along with though, especially since I'm sure it's been suggested before. And given the timing, I'd fear Evan taking it the wrong way. Which I'd prefer to avoid because I do NOT believe that Evan is a villain here. He's the closest thing to a White Knight we have and The Joker is trying to tear him down... and he's basically using us to do it and that just pisses me off even more.


My other idea is a little craftier, but it needs work. I've got the concept in mind, but I think I need a little creative assistance in execution. Whether we believe HABIT can jump bodies or not, clearly Something has shown the capacity to directly influence Jeff, Evan, Vince, and Steph... and obviously there keep being these moments turning up that they can't remember... time that isn't accounted for. I was hoping we could convince the guys to start carrying around some sort of "Artifact," a trinket, some jewelery, the EMH wristbands, something. Basically something small-ish that they can carry around with them all the time, that they/we can all see. Something they don't normally carry around that isn't really of any significant importance to them.

The idea being that if they were to suddenly find themselves without it or notice one of the other's not carrying theirs, then they would know something is wrong. Something's amiss and not accounted for. My idea sort of assumes it's something HABIT wouldn't recognize as important and cast aside if he were to possess one of them, indicating he had been there... with/in them. Maybe he's smarter than that... who knows. But at the very least, it could still serve as a general indicator that, HABIT or not, "Something" is wrong because their Artifact is missing.

Simple enough to be worth a shot, isn't it?

[Lewa]

[Mattwan]

[Karuvitomsk]

[shoeler]

that totem thing is a fantastic idea. unfortunately, the gang is absolutely positive that habit isn't part of one of them that they'd never ever go for it.

...have we gotten any follow up to the damsel's blog getting hacked? all i remember is someone telling jeff, and jeff being like "oh crap!!!", then we emailed them and evan got all angry. then we emailed again and got nothing.

more followup from them would be great. if the damsel is positive that her password couldn't have been hacked, therefore meaning it had to have been someone on her computer, this would be a great opportunity for us to suggest the idea to them that maybe HABIT is in fact inhabiting them, and we could convince them to do a totem sort of thing, or anything to help identify when they're inhabited. /runonsentence

[jackofnotrades]

I apologize for potentially restating someone else's idea, but I haven't seen much discussion on this front:

How sure are we that the "Everyman Prophecy" is about our guys. Sure, it seems obvious, but when have the clues/caches ever been so clear? I'm heavily thinking about the whole "His loss blinds him" scene where the next scene is footage of Alex and Ryan, and we all jumped to Alex's rescue, and wham - Ryan dies. Basically, I'm saying the door is open to us being lead to believe one thing only to have it have another, clear meaning in hindsight.

So now on with the show - the additions to "Everyman" give us three characters that seem to be Evan Vinny and Jeff - but what if they are describing a different trio? Or even a different permutation of the boys that will become more fitting as the story progresses?

The Firebrand - Could still be Habit/Evan, but from a different perspective than what has been heavily discussed. From some of the unsigned tweets/kitchen scene/actions attributed to Habit, it would appear there is some resentment to Slendy - the beginnings of "defecting"? All of Habits interactions with people through the tournament and other things we attribute to him could be interpreted as him disregarding danger. Depending on what the final rounds of the tournament lead to, I could easily see him as getting more reckless to obtain some kind of goal - just seems fitting for his persona.

The Guardian - Corenthal? Technically he was the guardian of the kids, and when he failed them/split up with his wife, you might describe that as losing his heart. Depending on how you view it, going from respected and loved doctor to a guy who's face insights riots and leaves a trail of death everywhere he goes could also qualify for losing his heart, in the sense that it would be broken. Certainly if he's still around and trying to take on Slendy/Habit/Rake, he could easily "defy them" and be dealt a fatal blow.

The Voyeur - Slendy? We haven't actually seen him "do" anything, but it's clear he pops in for a reason. Also some of the hidden footage/security footage seems outside the realm of hidden cameras/sneaking around - supernatural in nature. I think some strong arguments against this are going to come my way based on the "emotional distance" line as well as "swallowing justice's sword", but the emotional distance could still somewhat fit, although as a poor word choice, to describe how Slendy isn't human, and therefore doesn't understand us/emotions in general. And swallowing justice's sword - well who knows what that means to begin with. It seems to imply a heroic sacrifice, but for all we know it could mean that the boys attack him with a literal sword and he "swallows it" into his body, making it disappear into his stomach alternate dimension inside his body land of milk and honey. I doubt it would be that literal, but the point stands that it could be describing how the "good guys" forces just kind of fail around him.

In the case that you refuse to accept Slendy as the Voyeur, you could argue that it is pretty much anyone who we haven't seen take much action - and even then, when you consider the timeline of updates over the past few months, you could argue that on the surface every character is "remaining idle" and trying to keep up their strength throughout these events.

Even if I've got the matchings wrong, I think keeping open to a "maybe these lines aren't about the EMH boys" state of mind could hold water - especially given the recent deal with Evan's reaction emails. We are being lead to believe things are a certain way, but who is giving us this extra information is a mystery, as it their motive.


Just sayin.

[ChildOfAtom]

So HABIT is claiming to have been Jack the Ripper now too, as well as Ed Gein?

http://canyouseethewords.com/post/5639302765/not-their-best-work-but-im-still-flattered

So this is causing some controversy over at the wiki with people arguing that this can't be HABIT because of the weird diction and internet-speak instead of his usual smooth patter. We're pretty certain this IS HABIT right?

[seriousbandits]

[Mattwan]

[Mattwan]

Sorry for the double post, but I have a kind of meta idea. Basically, I'm wondering if this might be a clue that our job at this time is to force Evan into boiling over.

1. HABIT posts a message on CYSTW.
2. Concerned, we write to the boys and tell them to be on the lookout for inHABITation.
3. Evan rages.
4. We, being good and kind souls, decide to back off for a while.
5. (meta) The boys see we're not going to force the issue, which is outside their plan.
6. HABIT posts another message on CYSTW.

Now, this could be HABIT taunting us, knowing we've decided not to intervene, or it could be a clue that we're supposed to push Evan over the edge to move into the next phase of the plot. Thoughts?