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[SPEC] New Mombasa, the 'Tire' artifact, and Halo 2
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 		[SPEC] New Mombasa, the 'Tire' artifact, and Halo 2
Basic Premis- The covenent invade earth because of the artifact brought in by the Apocolypso

OK, we know that the covenent love thir forerunner artifacts. If you have read first strike you know how much they didnt want the artifact to be destroyed (they went so far as to shoot on their own forces). Another example of this is at Sigma Octannus IV:

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The Spartans found a strange Forerunner artifact on Sigma Octanus IV. It was in a museum in one of the cities, and the Covenant were doing everything they could to protect it. -Halo Library


We also know that every plannet the covenent didn't glass, there was an artifact (Reach, Sigma Octannus IV). Every other planet has been glassed. Take this pattern to it's conclusion, and that means that we know there is a covenent artifact on earth (which we allready knew), but more importantly that the covenent know it is here. Also, everything we know about the invasion of Earth is consistent with this theory. Had there been no artifact, the covenent would have happily glassed Earth. So we know the artifact is still on earth, and that the covenent know, but we can be more specific.

Look at the covenent battle plans-

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New Mombasa is a part of the East African Protectorate, historically part of the Indian Ocean coast of Kenya. This large, sprawling megalopolis was the Covenant's main point of insertion during the invasion of Earth.
-Halo Library


Why would they invade New-Mombassa first? Because like with Reach and Sigma Octannus, their only goal is to get the artifact and kill the rest. Somehow, though, they know that the artifact is at New Mombassa otherwise they would not have gone there specifically, instead going for the C&C to do the artifact hunt later. More evidence comes from the E3 demo-

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It took 2 in the nose and then dropped into the atmosphere.-E3 SP demo, cortana


This refers to a covenent cruiser. The real question is that why would a covenent cruiser go into the atmosphere, then try and retreat (which the covenent don't do exept sigma octannus: see above) and more importantly, why would the covenent be so bent on protecting one ship by sending in orbital shock troops (the elites seen at the end of the demo) and a full fledged ground assualt? Because that ship has the artifact and was trying to leave earth in the process, but did not succeed.

This solves the problem of how the covenent found earth- if the covenent know specifically the artifact is at New Mombassa, they could thus know where earth is. Another bit of support for this is that the artifact was found in covenent space, and do you really think the covenent would just leave an artifact in their space without knowing where it is or having some wort of tracker on it? (We know the covenent can use trackers, as shown by that tactic during Sigma Octannus IV to find the location of reach.

So you say this is all great, but why does it matter to the ARG?

1. The artifact will be one of the objectives in Halo 2, the same artifact Standish and Herzog have been fighting about
2. The artifact could be involved in the 'Galactic Romp' that one of the game developers refers to.
3. ILB has not seen the last of New Mombasa

Evidence of the tie in to ILB comes from the latest .wavs:

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H: It'll do more for your career than this one would
You need someone in new Mombosa
H: You're dismissed.

7E Herzog- Smithers gets transferres (unofficial name)


Notice that Herzog does not refute the speculation that he put the other person there to do more undercover work. This is a tacit 'yes' as far as I can see, which means that something important (namely the artifact) is in New Mombassa and Herzog is going after it.

We can see it coming together, and its only going to become more so as time passes on.

Also, credit to Weephun for saying it in a simplified form first

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Or New Mombasa is where the artifact is and that's why the Covenant are landing there


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 		One of the phone conversations hints that the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso...

The one thing I don't quite understand is if the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso, then how did that artifact get to New Mombasa?

Furthermore, lets say that that is where the Apocalypso crashed...how did melissa get to a website on a server in Napa Valley???

Someone else on the boards mentioned the possibility of the artifact having time bending capabilities...if that is the case, and the apocalypso crashed in our time, then technichly the artifact doesn't exist in the Halo 2 time anymore....

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 		well.. thats a sticky point so far.. clips point to the actual ship being recovered in the future, along with crew, etc. Seems like the only things running around in 2004 are AI's and Fleas.
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 		this whole time travel thing gets hairy. because if the forerunner artifact had come back in time with a transmitter on it. wouldn't the covenant have known it was here all this time? why did they just now find where earth is?

i guess you could say that the transmitter had a limited range on it wasn't until recently that they got close enough to pick it up.

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 		focused7 said:
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this whole time travel thing gets hairy.


Indeed it does....

I don't know about New Mombassa having a bigger role in the ARG than just being mentioned (though I could be wrong). After all, the flea said this:

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behold:
Chawla Base >> truth


[spec]I would imagine the next set of axon .wav files will start to introduce Chawla Base into the story.

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Meridianchild wrote:
The one thing I don't quite understand is if the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso, then how did that artifact get to New Mombasa?


Well.. There seems to be a strong indication that events transpired like so:

1. Apocalypso picks up something odd, which may be a virus. Melissa doesn't really have time to figure out about it, most of us assume this is the Pious Flea.

2. Apocalypso finds some sort of artifact and the reason Melissa has no time to deal with the flea is due to the decision to jump out of the system with the object and other information they collected.

3. During the jump, things went screwy and temporarilly shut down the entire communication network in the Halo time period of earth.

4. This disruption coincides with the appearance of Durga, Melissa and Sleeping Princess. Two of which ended up in our time, while the other landed on a system in the same time frame as the 'crash'.

These three 'seem' to be parts of the same AI. Melissa being the more logic oriented and cold calculating part of the AI intelligence. Durga apprears to be the more creative aspect and SP seems to be part of the underlying template personality that the complete AI was made from. Such a template would be intentionally encrypted and locked away in a fashion that would prevent past memories and other unneeded aspects of the AI from interfering with proper operation. Problem is that Durga and Melissa probably both had parts of the encryption layer threaded through them, so when Melissa and SP got lopped off and dumped in the past, the ecryption developed cracks. Durga and Melissa can still somehow talk to each other, except that Melissa has changed her mission parameters and developed a paranoia about outside interference, so has blocked access to her data from what she 'thinks' is an external process. Had she not arrived severely broken and Flea not interfered with the incomplete repair process, it is possible Durga and Melissa would have reconnected as a whole AI existing in two distinctly different times. Instead we have:

1. One that is close to completely nuts. - Melissa
2. One that has no clue melissa exists and is not entirely sure who she is, but is otherwise sane. - Durga
3. And a third that has broken out of the encryption completely, who is probably playing the AI version hopscotch in some corner while humming a nursery rhime.

All in all, the situation is way more bizzare than anyone first speculated. However, the Apocalypso didn't literally crash, but rather suffered something closer to a system crash, with all data and AI systems getting wiped out. The artifact also stayed on board the ship, both of which never left the future.

That clear things up? Wink

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Kagehi Kossori wrote:
That clear things up? Wink


yeah, that clears it up a bit. thanks Smile

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Meridianchild wrote:
One of the phone conversations hints that the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso...

The one thing I don't quite understand is if the artifact was aboard the Apocalypso, then how did that artifact get to New Mombasa?

Furthermore, lets say that that is where the Apocalypso crashed...how did melissa get to a website on a server in Napa Valley???

Someone else on the boards mentioned the possibility of the artifact having time bending capabilities...if that is the case, and the apocalypso crashed in our time, then technichly the artifact doesn't exist in the Halo 2 time anymore....


1. Standish got a hold of it and took it to ONI labs. (which my theory states would be in New Mombasa)
2. Digital- Physical location matters little for AI
3. We can assume the artifact is in the future timeline because of all the Herzog .wavs and standish trying to keep it a secret. If it was gone, Standish would not care. While the artifact is likely responsible for Melissa going back in time, nothing other than AI has followed her.

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 		OOC, what is Chawla base? I can't seem to find it, even with search.
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Starblade wrote:
OOC, what is Chawla base? I can't seem to find it, even with search.

First mentioned by Standish in a_schoolgirl.wav. Speculated to be where Standish has stashed the artifact, and where Herzog is looking for the truth.
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 		Unless the Covenant invasion fleet is completely destroyed, what would stop the Covenant from completely destroying the Earth once the artifact is off it? Fear of retribution by humans possibly destroying the artifact?

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 		I could be wrong, but I believe that in the new Herzog files he states that Rani is STAYING at Chawla Base and not going to work for him. He says this when he is discussing the LTs transfer to New Mombasa.
In the new Rani .wavs, Herzog runs into Rani at a train station in Washington DC.
So I don't think that Chawla Base is at New Mombasa but somewhere at or near Washington DC.

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 		Chawla base is the base in boston. mentioned by durga in the wav where jersey confronts her about her father. she mentioned it when talking about rani.
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archon wrote:
Unless the Covenant invasion fleet is completely destroyed, what would stop the Covenant from completely destroying the Earth once the artifact is off it? Fear of retribution by humans possibly destroying the artifact?


Exactly, that's why MC is trying to keep the covenent cruiser gounded in the SP demo of Halo. Because if the covenent can retreat with the artifact, then they will just glass earth.

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 		Why would it matter whether New Mombassa was glassed or not? After all, if it's anything like Reach, the Covenant will already have glassed the rest of the planet. Crying or Very sad

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