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Entry #26 - The mysterious tape
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KeithXK
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Um, isn't the Skull from Grim Fandango?
I think it's just esoteric imagery that has little purpose but providing ambiance like most of Totheark's random footage.

IE, don't over think it.

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Timur
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The only thing that irks me about this particular debate is that its basically perception based; its all about interpreting a very vague clip with unknown context. This reminds me of the whole "whos outside the car" debate. People will see from it what they want to see, be it another mask on a blonde girl, or a painted image for ambience. It just has so little context, and is so vague, I find it difficult to really discuss (the complete lack of context means that we have no evidence either way beyond the image, which pretty much means that its all about how you see it).

Now, this is no put down to Skully supporters, I'm just saying that I don't know how anyone can really "move" this debate. I am always glad to hear speculative theories, however, so how about this as a spot to post your speculative skully theories? Unless you see a better course of action, or you just found more evidence linked to the image.

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Timur wrote:
The only thing that irks me about this particular debate is that its basically perception based; its all about interpreting a very vague clip with unknown context. This reminds me of the whole "whos outside the car" debate. People will see from it what they want to see, be it another mask on a blonde girl, or a painted image for ambience. It just has so little context, and is so vague, I find it difficult to really discuss (the complete lack of context means that we have no evidence either way beyond the image, which pretty much means that its all about how you see it).

Now, this is no put down to Skully supporters, I'm just saying that I don't know how anyone can really "move" this debate. I am always glad to hear speculative theories, however, so how about this as a spot to post your speculative skully theories? Unless you see a better course of action, or you just found more evidence linked to the image.

Who says the skully thing is our main theory? We're just willing to accept it may prove to be important later on, whereas you seem to have some kind of grudge against non Tim-masks being important. May I ask why you're so against Skully?

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WhyYouBawwing wrote:

Who says the skully thing is our main theory? We're just willing to accept it may prove to be important later on, whereas you seem to have some kind of grudge against non Tim-masks being important. May I ask why you're so against Skully?


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WhyYouBawwing wrote:
Timur wrote:
The only thing that irks me about this particular debate is that its basically perception based; its all about interpreting a very vague clip with unknown context. This reminds me of the whole "whos outside the car" debate. People will see from it what they want to see, be it another mask on a blonde girl, or a painted image for ambience. It just has so little context, and is so vague, I find it difficult to really discuss (the complete lack of context means that we have no evidence either way beyond the image, which pretty much means that its all about how you see it).

Now, this is no put down to Skully supporters, I'm just saying that I don't know how anyone can really "move" this debate. I am always glad to hear speculative theories, however, so how about this as a spot to post your speculative skully theories? Unless you see a better course of action, or you just found more evidence linked to the image.

Who says the skully thing is our main theory? We're just willing to accept it may prove to be important later on, whereas you seem to have some kind of grudge against non Tim-masks being important. May I ask why you're so against Skully?


I think--and I'm only really speaking for myself--it's because that has only popped up a grand total of one time, for just a quick two or three seconds, and was never commented on. A lot of the other important stuff has been mentioned at least one other time, or focused on for a bit longer.

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If anyone recalls, the red tower was seen once at the beginning of the series and not mentioned again until rather late in the first season.
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I hope Skully won't be another big lipped alligator moment.

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Seth only popped up once but we still put a crapton of focus on him in speculation.

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WhyYouBawwing wrote:
Seth only popped up once but we still put a crapton of focus on him in speculation.


To be fair, he's also the camera man in #9, meaning he's showed up twice, but I would agree that focus on him (provided one isn't breaking immersion) is equally unwarranted.

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That said, if you are willing to break immersion, then it is mysterious that he was apparently on set for the filming of many entries that he was never in if he wasn't at least somewhat significant. Also, he has debatably been shown in a photo taken this season.

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WhyYouBawwing
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That's what I'm getting at: the Skull mask (MASK, damn it!) appears on camera once-->can't be important, Seth appears on camera once-->Holy shit, this guy must be a crucial Chekhov's gun!, TTA appears on camera once-->Eh, it's probably some random guy. What I'm saying is: there's some hypocrisy going on because for some reason people are suddenly against Skully being a significant plot device when they've been all for it until now.

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TheBioGuy wrote:
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That said, if you are willing to break immersion, then it is mysterious that he was apparently on set for the filming of many entries that he was never in if he wasn't at least somewhat significant. Also, he has debatably been shown in a photo taken this season.


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Do you mean Seth or Seth's actor was on set? What entries and what photo are you talking about? If we're talking about OOG reasons for or against Seth for TTA, I'd go with the fact that he was an extra that was cast at the last minute because Sarah's actress asked if her boyfriend could help film. That actor was never a big part of MH - Troy said so on the DVD commentary.


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I'm still gonna argue that Seth has more significance than the skull. Once again, it's not screen time - it's evidence. Seth has lots of context. We know he was the cameraman; we know he was present the day Alex yelled about stopping the camera; we know he accompanied Alex into the basement presumably to search for the Operator; and we know that he didn't emerge from that basement with Alex. That's a LOT more to go on than anything concerning the skull.

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YamaKami wrote:

@WhyYouBawwing:
I'm still gonna argue that Seth has more significance than the skull. Once again, it's not screen time - it's evidence. Seth has lots of context. We know he was the cameraman; we know he was present the day Alex yelled about stopping the camera; we know he accompanied Alex into the basement presumably to search for the Operator; and we know that he didn't emerge from that basement with Alex. That's a LOT more to go on than anything concerning the skull.


1. He was a camera man. Whoopdie-freaking-doo.

2. Tim and Sarah were also present that day, Alex was just stressed. Seth has nothing to do with that.

3. Yes, he went with Alex into the bathhouse, but that may not be significant, really. Seth could've been the only one available for some reason.

4. We have zero evidence that Seth didn't come out of the bathhouse.
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Randoman96 wrote:
1. He was a camera man. Whoopdie-freaking-doo.

2. Tim and Sarah were also present that day, Alex was just stressed. Seth has nothing to do with that.

3. Yes, he went with Alex into the bathhouse, but that may not be significant, really. Seth could've been the only one available for some reason.

4. We have zero evidence that Seth didn't come out of the bathhouse.


You just took all the facts I pointed out and told me they don't mean anything. Neutral If that's really what you think, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.

As for #4, the evidence that Seth didn't come out of the basement (the *bathhouse* was from #13 right?) is that Alex came out and Seth wasn't with him. Is it proof? No. Is it evidence? Yes.

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I'm going to have to agree with WhyYouBawwing here too, although I still think it's a prototype mask. That yellow stuff is the wall man.
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Skully screamed Checkov's gun to me. I understand people objecting to huge complicated theories about it, but in my honest opinion, a thing that looked a hell of a lot like a mask that appeared in an area of tape seemed to be foreshadowing the next season (Being in the season finally) would be a jerk red herring to me.

But besides all of that, if anything, it's a red herring. Even if it's not a mask, it has Masky's nostrils, and eyebrows. It's obvious that the creators meant for us to think of it as another mask, even if it does mean nothing.

And so, while I respect people saying they think Skully means nothing, I don't respect people implying people who interpret it as meaning something are stupid. Even if the people interpreting it as something are wrong, they're not stupid. As I said, it's obvious the creators wanted us to think it's something. Even if it's a red herring, it's a really good red herring and we were supposed to fall for it. So when people make a "Big fucking deal" about Skully, they're doing what the creators planned us to.

All that being said, I think Skully is another mask. The idea of it being a protomask doesn't really click with me, because I wouldn't understand why he'd make a completely different looking mask, and that's assuming the original was destroyed. Honestly it seems like people taking Occam's Razor to a huge degree. I think it's another person.

EDIT: Also a quick thing about Seth.
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While I personally don't think Seth is totheark, Troy said in a Q/A that he invented the idea of totheark a few days before posting the first totheark video. He invented totheark after inventing Seth, so even if seth wasn't originally a character, he was a character by the time totheark was invented.


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