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Biohazard80
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Randoman96 wrote:
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On a side note, anyone else curious as to why Jay just continued after enttry 37? If he didn't post it than why go to Entry 38? I'm curious if we should add this to the entry count that people are making to predict the final entry when we didn't include entry ###### for season 1


Anti-confusion. If you were new to the series, you'd be confused by two Entry 37s.


Very true. I keep forgetting that the series is still getting more viewers, even though its safe to assume its almost over.

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even though its safe to assume its almost over.


I doubt it. Troy has said that they are "slowly but surely" getting to the end, but really, that's what Lost was also doing at the beginning of season 4.

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In case someone already proved/debunked this, I'm sorry. I just marathoned season 2.

1. Slenderman and Masky distortions are different. Slenderman gives a desaturation-darkening effect, and Masky gives a 8-bit/reddening effect.

2. Is it possible that Maskyness is a disease, and Jessica contracted it?

First, you start coughing, then coughing blood, then distorting video, then full-on Masky batshit.

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Rahissar wrote:
2. Is it possible that Maskyness is a disease, and Jessica contracted it?

First, you start coughing, then coughing blood, then distorting video, then full-on Masky batshit.


This has been suggested a lot in the past... but it seems unlikely to me that there's a disease, even a fictional one, that causes a person to go out, purchase and modify a mask, and wear it around scaring people. Diseases don't work that way. Trust me, I'm a BioGuy.

And, of course, the big one- we have no conclusive evidence leading us to believe that there is any more than 1 masked figure.

That said, welcome to the forums and please continue to make thoughtful posts! We appreciate you and your theories. Maybe read up on what's been theorized and join in full force with new ideas that will blow our minds!
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TheBioGuy wrote:
Rahissar wrote:
2. Is it possible that Maskyness is a disease, and Jessica contracted it?

First, you start coughing, then coughing blood, then distorting video, then full-on Masky batshit.


This has been suggested a lot in the past... but it seems unlikely to me that there's a disease, even a fictional one, that causes a person to go out, purchase and modify a mask, and wear it around scaring people. Diseases don't work that way. Trust me, I'm a BioGuy.

And, of course, the big one- we have no conclusive evidence leading us to believe that there is any more than 1 masked figure.

That said, welcome to the forums and please continue to make thoughtful posts! We appreciate you and your theories. Maybe read up on what's been theorized and join in full force with new ideas that will blow our minds!

I'm not sure if he means a "Disease" like something with germs or viruses, I think he means like a slender sickness type thing, it makes you lose control and do strange things. (hence the mask.)
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1. Slenderman and Masky distortions are different. Slenderman gives a desaturation-darkening effect, and Masky gives a 8-bit/reddening effect.


I haven't really noticed that until you said that. Looking through the past few entries, yeah, you're right.

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2. Is it possible that Maskyness is a disease, and Jessica contracted it?

First, you start coughing, then coughing blood, then distorting video, then full-on Masky batshit.

This has been suggested a lot in the past... but it seems unlikely to me that there's a disease, even a fictional one, that causes a person to go out, purchase and modify a mask, and wear it around scaring people. Diseases don't work that way. Trust me, I'm a BioGuy.
And, of course, the big one- we have no conclusive evidence leading us to believe that there is any more than 1 masked figure.



I'm going with ISMFOF on this one. I'm pretty sure slendy sickness is much different than anything cause in reality. I'm not a BioGuy, but I do know a lot about diseases.

From what I've seen from MH so far, Maskyness as a slendy disease (or even side effect of slendy sickness?) is realatively probable, but there are so many theories ot there that any of them could be right. It is an interesting theory though.
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ISMFOF wrote:
I'm not sure if he means a "Disease" like something with germs or viruses, I think he means like a slender sickness type thing, it makes you lose control and do strange things. (hence the mask.)


It's interesting that you would use the slendersickness as your example rather than something from another story, etc. The slendersickness actually behaves quite like a standard "germs or viruses" disease. After exposure to the vector (assumedly the Operator), the infected displays normal, predictable symptoms: coughing (sometimes rising to the level of fits), memory loss, irritation, insomnia, etc. Nothing is a symptom that wouldn't be found in a normal disease.

On the other hand, the proposed "masky disease" causes a person to spend money and time modifying a non-natural commodity in order to be more covert (again, assumedly) while performing certain activities.

It honestly sounds more like a psychological condition, and those aren't "contracted" as Rahissar and others have suggested. Also, the suggestion that someone contracted it isn't coherent with the observations we can make from the actual videos, where we have yet to see one confirmed additional "case" of this proposed "masky disease." There are some speculated cases, but nothing conclusive can be determined from them. Jessica has never been seen wearing a mask or attacking people as masky seems to always do, and the skully mask is so void of context that no serious theory should use it as key evidence.
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TheBioGuy wrote:
ISMFOF wrote:
I'm not sure if he means a "Disease" like something with germs or viruses, I think he means like a slender sickness type thing, it makes you lose control and do strange things. (hence the mask.)


It's interesting that you would use the slendersickness as your example rather than something from another story, etc. The slendersickness actually behaves quite like a standard "germs or viruses" disease. After exposure to the vector (assumedly the Operator), the infected displays normal, predictable symptoms: coughing (sometimes rising to the level of fits), memory loss, irritation, insomnia, etc. Nothing is a symptom that wouldn't be found in a normal disease.

On the other hand, the proposed "masky disease" causes a person to spend money and time modifying a non-natural commodity in order to be more covert (again, assumedly) while performing certain activities.

It honestly sounds more like a psychological condition, and those aren't "contracted" as Rahissar and others have suggested. Also, the suggestion that someone contracted it isn't coherent with the observations we can make from the actual videos, where we have yet to see one confirmed additional "case" of this proposed "masky disease." There are some speculated cases, but nothing conclusive can be determined from them. Jessica has never been seen wearing a mask or attacking people as masky seems to always do, and the skully mask is so void of context that no serious theory should use it as key evidence.

This vector you speak of might not be something that radiates the disease, it could have a totally different way of infecting people. It might be something similar to a magnetic field where it doesn't require you to have something in you to give you disease, instead it just requires you to be within its range. Or it might react as something that remains dormant within your body until an outside force or presence causes it to become active (in this case, when a camera is nearby.)
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How it passes wasn't really the point. Good observation though, it is unlikely that either the "slendersickness" or the proposed "masky disease" are traditional diseases caused by viruses or bacteria, etc.

Still, to say without evidence that there is a "disease" of any sort that can be contracted that then causes the host to buy and modify a mask in order to stalk and attack a subject seems all kinds of wrong to me. Not that this couldn't be happening, but I think that the analogy presented is flawed, whether meant to be taken literally or not.

Perhaps a better way of putting it would be to put it in terms of a cult. If you want to assume that Jessica has become "a masky," then perhaps it could be better explained as her being brainwashed into these behaviors like cults often do. This, like the proposed disease, might not be by usual means, for example: the Operator (or Masky, since that seems more likely) might have done the brainwashing psychically rather than by some form or traditional sessions of brainwashing and propogand-izing.

Either way, I feel that there is too little evidence on the Jessica front to really make a "diagnosis" as to what has happened to her since her disappearance, much less claim that she has become a copy of a character who is, by all other means, rather unique.

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TheBioGuy wrote:
Rahissar wrote:
2. Is it possible that Maskyness is a disease, and Jessica contracted it?

First, you start coughing, then coughing blood, then distorting video, then full-on Masky batshit.


This has been suggested a lot in the past... but it seems unlikely to me that there's a disease, even a fictional one, that causes a person to go out, purchase and modify a mask, and wear it around scaring people. Diseases don't work that way. Trust me, I'm a BioGuy.


However, there are diseases that make people go delusional.
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And, of course, the big one- we have no conclusive evidence leading us to believe that there is any more than 1 masked figure.


The delusions can be different based on people and/or no one could have progressed to the latest but the original Masky yet.

How it passes wasn't really the point. Good observation though, it is unlikely that either the "slendersickness" or the proposed "masky disease" are traditional diseases caused by viruses or bacteria, etc.

Still, to say without evidence that there is a "disease" of any sort that can be contracted that then causes the host to buy and modify a mask in order to stalk and attack a subject seems all kinds of wrong to me. Not that this couldn't be happening, but I think that the analogy presented is flawed, whether meant to be taken literally or not.

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Perhaps a better way of putting it would be to put it in terms of a cult. If you want to assume that Jessica has become "a masky," then perhaps it could be better explained as her being brainwashed into these behaviors like cults often do. This, like the proposed disease, might not be by usual means, for example: the Operator (or Masky, since that seems more likely) might have done the brainwashing psychically rather than by some form or traditional sessions of brainwashing and propogand-izing.

Either way, I feel that there is too little evidence on the Jessica front to really make a "diagnosis" as to what has happened to her since her disappearance, much less claim that she has become a copy of a character who is, by all other means, rather unique.


I never said she will become a Masky copy. Also, what you're describing can also be called a disease, a memetic one.

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I was actually following season 1 pretty closely, but almost exclusively in readonly mode. Anyway, thanks.

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The more people talk about this "disease", the more it sounds like a curse than a disease. Kind of like the way being a werewolf is supposed to be a curse: at times, your will is taken away from you and you do things which ordinarily you might find repugnant.

My thoughts on the multiple masks is that they imply one of two things:

1) Tim has multiple masks and it's him both times. In which case, why the switcheroo? I don't buy "he just didn't have time to get another mask" - if it's meant to just be a substitute for the white mask, why is it in such a completely different style? He hasn't even tried to get the same design down. Maybe the mask is reflective of his mood? Or perhaps the different masks are used for different tasks - the black one for stalking and the white one for cuddle attacks? (But even then, why'd he change up his jacket too?) Or perhaps the masks have subtly different occult properties, who knows. This I think is the less likely option because dude, different jacket.

2) There is more than one person going around masked out there. Next question is, why'd they do that? Again, I think there's a bunch of options.

a) Disguise. Least persuasive option because you'd have thought Tim would have considered changing up his jacket and concealing his sideburns.

b) Protection from Slendy. A very common theory that I don't really buy. Not least because we know that Tim doesn't go about his daily life wearing the mask all the time and, seriously, if Slendy were stalking you then you wouldn't want to let your guard down for even a second.

c) They're part of the same team. Both in the same cult, both manipulated by Slendy, whatever. In this case the differing masks may reflect their differing roles on the team - and TTA could be one of them, the other, or a third member of the team we haven't seen yet.

d) They are not allied but they are part of the same subculture. Rival cults, duelling Ark-searchers, two servants competing for Slendy's favour, that sort of thing. In that case the different masks might reflect their differing goals or ideologies or whatever.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
The more people talk about this "disease", the more it sounds like a curse than a disease. Kind of like the way being a werewolf is supposed to be a curse: at times, your will is taken away from you and you do things which ordinarily you might find repugnant.


A memetic disease is basically a self-propagating set of information or concepts. A common weak type which may be qualified as one is an "earworm" melody, or a language. Now if this set of concepts is detrimental and/or subversive towards the recipient it can be surely labeled as a curse.[/quote]

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
b) Protection from Slendy. A very common theory that I don't really buy. Not least because we know that Tim doesn't go about his daily life wearing the mask all the time and, seriously, if Slendy were stalking you then you wouldn't want to let your guard down for even a second.

The idea of the mask as protection always felt to me like a way to prevent stalking by the Operator, rather than escape it. Particularly because when we first see Tim in season 1, he seems to be living a perfectly normal life... until we see him as Masky, hanging around in ruined houses and threatening sinister tacklehugs. My take on this was always that Tim, having seen the shit Alex and the others went through on the set of Marble Hornets, and able to remember the existence of the Operator due to his seizure meds (or not; they're not a vital part of the theory), learned from their mistakes. He somehow escaped the Operator, and now, when he goes into situations where he suspects the Operator might be, he dons the mask as a preventative.

The mask could give the Operator a false identity to latch onto and to stalk -- that is to say, the Operator being familiar with Tim as Masky might mean that Masky is stalked, but the Operator can't tell that it's actually Tim, and so leaves Tim without the mask alone.

This could also account for different masks chronologically speaking. If Tim wanted to discard the Masky persona and offer the Operator a "new person" to stalk, all he'd have to do is paint up a mask sufficiently different from the original and bam, free pass for a little while.

Then again, I'm not at all sure this would account for Hoodie dude. We don't know enough about the guy's situation and actions to really extrapolate much. I guess you're right, though -- the mask could work for someone trying to escape the Operator, too (donning a new identity would mean he wouldn't recognize the person), but they'd have to keep the mask on all the time. Or maybe just when they had something to do that they didn't want the Operator to see them doing.

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JKatkina wrote:

The idea of the mask as protection always felt to me like a way to prevent stalking by the Operator, rather than escape it. Particularly because when we first see Tim in season 1, he seems to be living a perfectly normal life... until we see him as Masky, hanging around in ruined houses and threatening sinister tacklehugs. My take on this was always that Tim, having seen the shit Alex and the others went through on the set of Marble Hornets, and able to remember the existence of the Operator due to his seizure meds (or not; they're not a vital part of the theory), learned from their mistakes. He somehow escaped the Operator, and now, when he goes into situations where he suspects the Operator might be, he dons the mask as a preventative.


Agree agree agree! That is exactly what I've always thought of the mask's role and why Tim wears it.

JKatkina wrote:
The mask could give the Operator a false identity to latch onto and to stalk -- that is to say, the Operator being familiar with Tim as Masky might mean that Masky is stalked, but the Operator can't tell that it's actually Tim, and so leaves Tim without the mask alone.


Hm, that's also interesting and plausible. But I mainly think the mask makes the wearer invisible to the Operator.

Also, I think Hoody's reason for wearing his mask has two purposes - protection as well as disguise. Maybe Tim was never concerned with hiding his identity, but TTA definitely is - hence, why he has kept himself hidden (until now - possibly due to his foot-soldier being out of commission with a broken leg).

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