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snorkle256
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Minz wrote:


Code:
S R R O A I W E B T T V Y P D Y T T S T G D D U R I M E A K R Y B E L L S R I - I
E E A M B G O P D I W R R T N U L B E O E E N D R D R E N N L C O M E T H E S - I
A P N E E O W F W O D N N M L A H W O T H S L O T Y R P T G R H E S K Y L A R - II
T H E G G W M R E P D G I E A N E N U S N O E L E O A M R S W R S T H E M E R - III
K I E G E U E N L L N P G W W S A B I A N H U V H F R E A S U D I R D S O F X - III
U N D O E E F Y N Y O E H E E F A O F A O W W R B A L F N O H R I N G T O W E - IV
S A R I S T T I E H U L E S A Y O H O R L E R R E B D P O F E E I G P R I N G - V
H E S S H O D K L U I S N A O A K R H R S T O E S T U V E I O L U S H T H E B - V
P Y T G P Y N I A O D E I E Y E S E T U I I H I U I O E L H Y A K A N D T H R -VI
E A N D M A K E H I N N W O O E C . R O M P T T O Y I T N E Y U M O . D N E T - IX


-FIXED- Added in the Roman Numerals for better reference.

Speaking of, since those are sideways, does that make them columns not rows?

I think the columns should be rearranged to form Pi, and then what?

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 		Well, this is at least a partial solve (meaning I think I figured out at least part of the puzzle, but I've got no idea what to do with it).

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If you do the lines in order of pi as suggested above, starting with the beginning of each and then skipping over to the end for a second pass, you get this - The sun does arise and make happy the skies The merry bells ring to welcome the spring The sky lark and thrush the birds of X. Which I think means that's the end of the poetry. These are the first few lines of The Ecchoing Green by William Blake.


ETA - Okay, I just got the connection with the color. Probably should have noticed that immediately . . . Very Happy

Edit 2 - Sent the info to Howard.

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 		OIC

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put the lines in order, rows not columns like I thought.
the first I is the first I, if you understand that
then take how many letters based on what # the row, go down, then repeat
it starts to get a little hazy by VI so i am not sure exactly.


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 		Sorry for the cryptic description before - here it is reordered with the relevant letters in bold.

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T H E G G W M R E P D G I E A N E N U S N O E L E O A M R S W R S T H E M E R
S R R O A I W E B T T V Y P D Y T T S T G D D U R I M E A K R Y B E L L S R I
U N D O E E F Y N Y O E H E E F A O F A O W W R B A L F N O H R I N G T O W E
E E A M B G O P D I W R R T N U L B E O E E N D R D R E N N L C O M E T H E S
S A R I S T T I E H U L E S A Y O H O R L E R R E B D P O F E E I G P R I N G
E A N D M A K E H I N N W O O E C . R O M P T T O Y I T N E Y U M O . D N E T
A P N E E O W F W O D N N M L A H W O T H S L O T Y R P T G R H E S K Y L A R
P Y T G P Y N I A O D E I E Y E S E T U I I H I U I O E L H Y A K A N D T H R
H E S S H O D K L U I S N A O A K R H R S T O E S T U V E I O L U S H T H E B
K I E G E U E N L L N P G W W S A B I A N H U V H F R E A S U D I R D S O F X


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 		/Very/ nicely done!
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 		well done !! For reference the full poem below:

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The Sun does arise,
And make happy the skies.
The merry bells ring,
To welcome the Spring.
The sky-lark and thrush,
The birds of the bush,
Sing louder around,
To the bells chearful sound,
While our sports shall be seen
On the Ecchoing Green.

Old John with white hair
Does laugh away care,
Sitting under the oak,
Among the old folk.
They laugh at our play,
And soon they all say,
Such such were the joys,
When we were all girls & boys,
In our youth time were seen,
On the Ecchoing Green.

Till the little ones weary
No more can be merry
The sun does descend,
And our sports have an end:
Round the laps of their mothers,
Many sisters and brothers,
Like birds in their nest,
Are ready for rest:
And sport no more seen,
On the darkening Green.


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 		so... what now? I assume we're waiting for the next puzzle?

In the meantime, I e-mailed Howard a few days ago, just to try get some background info on where he works (I've never heard of the British Library having 'offshoots' before). So just a little background whilst we wait for something else to come up:

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Hello Jehosephat
The BL offshoot is not a public access library, nor indeed do we publicise the outbranches. The BL have different 'sections' to deal with certain areas of research for other organisations from which we get funding. The one I work for deals primarily with older texts, and ones that may not necessarily appear in catalogues of standard publication.

Hope this helps
Howard.


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 		anyone hear from howard?
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 		nope Sad maybe he's waiting for us to solve the puzzle? :/

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 		you think there is more to it??
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 		I'm not really sure how there would be...

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 		send the following a while back:

draghkar wrote:
Hi Howard,
How was your trip?? did you learn somewting new??
when was the last time you spoke with your uncle?? the one that you have the book from... I hope you remember..
have you ever heard of green magic?
Hope to hear from you soon.


Got a reply today...

howard wrote:
Hi Draghkar
We never really spoke - he was my great-uncle.
Green magic - yes that is what I am researching - it seems quite indepth - unsure how to proceed but wil try very soon. Sorry not been in touch but it has been busy ehre - the library has asked me to investigate some papers and I've had to come down to Avebury to pick them up. Heading to London tomorrow where I'll be able to talk once more.
Howard.



Got a seperate mail to, which answers to the answer to the riddle:

howard wrote:
I am researching green magic at the moment - Blake does seem to contain quite a few references to 'green' it seems, but I don't have much time to examine it - could you find out any more meaning to his poems for me with green in the content.Sorry not been in touch but it has been busy here- the library has asked me to investigate some papers and I've had to come down to Avebury to pick them up. Heading to London tomorrow where I'll be able to talk once more.
Howard.


so this leads to 2 things..

1.) we will get more interaction from tomorrow..
2.) We were right with blake, and need more references to him and green magic...

going to research blake now...
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 		some nice images for the poem:




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 		sent him the following mail:

draghkar wrote:
Hi Howard,

Hope you arrived safe and sound back in London, anything interesting in Avebury??

I did some research on the blake poem:

The poem talks about merry sounds and images which accompany the children playing outdoors. Then, an old man happily remembers when he enjoyed playing with his friends during his own childhood. The last stanza depicts the little ones being weary when the sun has descended and going to their mothers' laps. No more playing is expected, for it is time to take a break after a long day enjoying games.
The poem follows the structure of a day— 'the sun does arise' in the beginning of the first verse, and 'the sun does descend' in the middle of the third verse. The poem is the contrast of innocence and experience, but also the contrast between perception of joys and sorrows. What is happening on the Green will happen again, shown by the 'old folk' who watch the children and reminisce about their own childhood on the Green. The whole poem is written in 6 sentences with much repetition. The poem could also be attributed to the life of a person— birth, life, death.
this reminds me of something I was told when I was young:
"That what was, is.. that what is, will be.."
is that what you were looking for?
Regards,
D.


Hope that might speed things up a bit..
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 		I got the same email as above in response to an email I sent a while back with one addition:

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One question - is it just the poem in that message - seems odd to put all those extra letters in the message.


So maybe there is still something else in the puzzle.

Edit: And there is more.

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If you remove the letters of the poem from the note, then read each column from top to bottom (beginning with the left column and moving right), it gives:

Greetings (g) greatnephew of mine you may be wondering how I knew you of all people would be decoding this. Despite warning everyone away from my own path please do not ask any further but allow this to be your answer it is not worth it (t)he green should be believed and you should put it far from your mind forevermore. Please heed this warning your kin Gerald.

The letters in parentheses are two places the pattern didn't quite work for me.


Edit 2: Sent Howard an email with this info, and he responded:
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My thanks. - Though now, now I wonder even more about my great granduncle...
Especially since my return from Avebury and found an odd parchment in my postal box [I travel a lot and therefore have a PO Box - it makes life easier]
I will be able to share once I have looked at it in some depth - though thank you all once again - please pas on my thanks to everyone who has helped so far.
How DID my G Uncle know I'd be reading it - he's been dead for some years now...
Howard


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