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TALL MAN AWARDS 2011
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I can't take this seriously, I'm sorry. First of all, June 1, 2010 is a very arbitrary cutoff, and there are quite a few blogs that started before that are still going strong. Likewise, Tribe Twelve started /after/ your cutoff, so you've no reason to really say no to it.

Also, if you were doing it correctly, you'd have said "any post and/or video released between 6/1/2010 and 6/1/2011". Gives people a chance to vote for things they want.

Besides, if Marble Hornets, EverymanHYBRID, and Tribe Twelve win? It means that they're the best. If you want to use this specifically to raise awareness of lesser-known stories, that's great, but don't frame it as an "award" whatever. Just outright say that.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:29 am
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SoulHammer wrote:

Edit: Never mind didn't read the rules. Quite a silly rule to be honest a lot of people don't read blogs so can't participate in the voting.


This is exactly why this rule is legit: if only five people read blogs and three post on here, the situation is rather desperate. Thus, I'd rather give you guys time to find one blog you find worthy of voting for and then doing it. Twisted Evil

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Cougar Draven wrote:
First of all, June 1, 2010 is a very arbitrary cutoff, and there are quite a few blogs that started before that are still going strong.


Few, and those mostly include sequels (which are fine to include BTW - like the Dreams in Darkness sequel or the Zecke sequel (although I am not too sure about their origin-date)). And you have to make the cut somewhere, so one year ago is rather polite - it's a lot of time, and you have to make a cut at some date.

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Likewise, Tribe Twelve started /after/ your cutoff, so you've no reason to really say no to it.


The reason, as mentioned, is that the big three would win every single award out. They are the best after all. But this does make it a LOT harder for the smaller stuff to be up against. Including one or more of the big three would pretty much result in the results being predictable and one-sided. Thus the honorary awards.

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Besides, if Marble Hornets, EverymanHYBRID, and Tribe Twelve win? It means that they're the best. If you want to use this specifically to raise awareness of lesser-known stories, that's great, but don't frame it as an "award" whatever.


What I said above - this could potentially also result in the usual "MH is better than EMH!" "No EMH is better than MH!" "TT rulez!"-bickering. We all love these three shows apart from some, and they originated a long time ago. Even if TT is not included, it has grown to a huge, classic series by now, and rather should get one of the honorary awards than be voted in the same category like, say DarkHarvest.

In short, it's not to promote smaller shows, but give these shows a better chance to run and not be flooded by EMH/MH/TT. As the votes stand now, we have three shows going strong that many a person has not checked out for sure, and once voting goes into motion, I can see many others catch up.
Also, this is a good way of having one "generation" run of the awards, without the other (in many peoples minds superior) generations taking over. Likewise, when we will do this next year, it will include a lot of stuff that may be considered weaker than this generations output, but is fine judged in its own context (also, including MH Season 3 then could result in another pointless poll Wink )

If you do not want to contribute - then so be it. Smile Just know that these rules were made up for a reason. And also - I don't make these rules. I just think them up and write them down.

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@ EVERYBODY: Please read the rules thoroughly!! Your votes can only count if you vote for ALL categories. Why? If 85% would go "I don't read blogs!" then it could be that we have only five people voting for blogs. Laughing

Uh, but if you toss out all the votes where people don't have a pick in every category then you'll end up with only five people voting for everything. Lots of people don't care about the blogs and I think it's a bit much to expect them to change their minds about that just for the sake of your competition. And even people who follow both blogs or vlogs might struggle to come up with a pick in all the categories.

If you oblige people to vote in every single category, all you do is get people to toss in ill-considered votes that they don't really feel very strongly about just for the sake of completing the form, and that harms the credibility of your award way more than not many people voting in a particular category.

(I'm also not keen on the idea of leaving out MH/EMH/TT, because that kind of robs other blogs/vlogs of the chance to "beat" them, if you see what I mean? For example, it'd be a huge deal for Dark Harvest or Andersen Journals to beat out the big three in one of the categories, whereas if you fence off MH/EMH/TT you're kind of saying that none of the current vlogs or blogs are actually in a position to compete with them in any of the categories. I would say that that is very far from being the case. But I think this point is less damaging to your award's credibility than the voting requirements.)

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@ awakeasaurus: Well, this is why there is plenty of time to read up. You don't have to post a list NOW or tomorrow or anything that close (in fact, I guess most lists already released will be re-edited by the voters with more time to think the categories through).
There are various wiki's and collection-threads, not to mention blog-threads which are at a high and supply anybody interested with enough to check out other blogs, skip through them and make a decision.

And consider this: MH and EMH alone have a huge fanbase and thousands of clicks, while many of the smaller shows have a lot less. Look at it in the Lord of the Rings way - when LotR actually won the oscar, many felt that the films in competition were stronger than in the two previous years. Both EMH, TT (in my consideration) and MH have reached sort of a classic status, where they are above pretty much everything else released (which is also why they get honorary awards). It would be fair to have a voting on those three alone, as their status ties them closer together. But that would result in the typical "this is better than that"-discussion.
If this would be a few months ago, I would include them. But as I plan on doing this next year as well, it's a lot more convenient to just go by the "one year ago"-rule, which also keeps the series released in a closer context. If there is big demand though, I could include TT as it was released on June 04 2010 and thus makes the deadline by a hair (although I think it would easily win most awards then). Cool But I'd like to hear some more opinions on this then.
And as I said, anybody who doesn't feel like voting - that's fair enough.

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@ awakeasaurus: Well, this is why there is plenty of time to read up. You don't have to post a list NOW or tomorrow or anything that close (in fact, I guess most lists already released will be re-edited by the voters with more time to think the categories through).

I think you have higher expectations of the voters than me; with most web-votey things like this I would expect people will just toss their votes in and then forget about them until the results come out.

On top of that, you seem to be assuming that people who haven't been following the blogs will be motivated to go out and read up on the blogs purely for the sake of being able to vote in your little awards thread. I honestly don't think this is the case: if people haven't been motivated to read the blogs so far, then in 99% of cases this thread isn't going to convince them to do so. *Maybe* if you had someone who was considering dipping into the blogs anyway and was just procrastinating you'd prompt them to stop procrastinating, but that's it.

Put it this way: there are plenty of people here who like the blogs, and that's fine. But there's also a good many people here who are either simply not interested in the blogs, or on dabbling in the blogs find that they actively dislike the blogging format as compared to the vlogs. At the moment, your voting structure is locking them out of participating. That's fine if that's something you want to do, but if that's so then the Tall Man Awards can hardly be expected to any accurate measure of the consensus opinion on the vlogs/blogs.

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Well, again as with TT, if there is huge demand to split this, then I am up for it, but would like to hear some more feedback. As I said, this rule was established to guarantee a wider picture, but to each his own.

So yeah, let the lists come in, and I'd like to hear some opinions on the TT and blog issues. Cool

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EDIT: Snark taken out because I mistread your post as only addressing TT and not the blog thing.

On the TT front: I say let it in, I also say let in MH/EMH posts from after June 2010. I'm aware of more than a few people who think MH's taken a downhill slide in season 2 (I'm not one of them and think they're super wrong, but they're out there), and there's equally a fair few people who've gone off EMH due to the increasing complexity of the plot and the whole seven trials thing. I think it'd be a fairer contest than you assume. Maybe if you'd run this a few months ago the Big Three would have dominated... but I think at this point in time it's less clear that the community is even thinking in terms of a "Big Three".

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Eh, I won't vote if I have to include blogs because I don't read them (with the exception of dabbling in one or two of them) and I don't plan to do so because of this thread. If I can't vote because of that, then I guess whatever, no big deal to me.
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SoulHammer wrote:
Quite a silly rule to be honest a lot of people don't read blogs so can't participate in the voting.


...y'see why I get bitchy about this? People flat-out implying that the blogs don't matter.

I'm personally glad about this rule, as it gives the two camps a little more incentive to overlap. I need to start watching more than just the Big Three, and I guess I've got a month to catch back up on that.

Edit: Also, people interested in looking for good blogs so that they can vote should maybe check out this thread on The Slender Nation (originally based on an unfiction thread). It's a list of blogs as rated by users, so the ones with a lot of votes will probably be good.

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DaLadybugMan wrote:
SoulHammer wrote:
Quite a silly rule to be honest a lot of people don't read blogs so can't participate in the voting.


...y'see why I get bitchy about this? People flat-out implying that the blogs don't matter.

I'm personally glad about this rule, as it gives the two camps a little more incentive to overlap.

The thing is that there are people who just don't enjoy the blog format, just as I'm sure there are those who don't enjoy the vlog format. And often that's just a personal taste issue, but that doesn't mean their preference is invalid; what it does mean, however, is that they're not likely to be very good judges of the blogs (or vlogs, if they're a blog-only type) because their dislike for the format means that they're not going to be quite so sensitive to the difference between a good blog and a poor one because it's kind of all the same to them.

It's like having an ice cream judging contest with a chocolate category and a vanilla category, but some of the judges just don't like chocolate and some of them can't stand vanilla. It's better for everyone concerned if the relevant judges duck out and say "You know what, I'm really not the person to make the call on what makes a good Slendyblog/vanilla ice cream, I'll stick to judging the vlog/chocolate category" than for them to say "uuh, well I think they all kind of suck, I guess this one sucks less but it's all kind of the same to me".

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As someone who fell off the blogosphere, decided it was impenetrable and not as good as the old stuff without looking at it, and then actually decided to try and read it and found out that there were some great stories being told, I come to you with this public service announcement.

Everyone who says blogs are impenetrable and unworthwhile just aren't bothering and it's sad because there is some fantastic stuff out there. Here, let me toss you a few links to blogs you can read in an afternoon:

Now I Shall Know You Again: This is the story of a haughty genre savvy protagonist. Shit happens. He realizes he isn't as well-equipped as he thought. This is just a fascinating character study and a breakdown of a character like M from The Tutorial.

A Wand and a Prayer: This is the story of a woman overcoming a very human obstacle that happens to involve Slender Man. Yes, she's a witch. No she doesn't cast magic missile. Rocky start, excellent mid-to-late game. This the most crossover filled of these blogs, but much of it is "filler" posts so nothing where you MUST read the other blog to get what's happening.

Make It Count: A young reporter gets in over her head when madness starts building up around her. Currently crossing over with The Mystic, but everything up to the recent arc is 100% stand-alone

It's All David's Fault: A totally isolated little blog with one of the most relatable characters in the entire Slenderverse. Perhaps the best for "pure horror" of all of these I'm linking.

A Really Bad Joke: CORE THEORY. Before you claw your eyes out, actually read the damn thing. It's not bogged down in crossovers like the "BAWW CORE THEORY IS IMPENETRABLE" shouts would have you think. In fact, it never really does crossover. It's the story of a desperate man using humor to stay sane and fight an eldritch thing. It's good.

There you go. Five blogs you can read if you just devote a couple of hours to it. Then you can come in here and vote for all the vlogs you want. And, you know, maybe you'll actually like what you read.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:

The thing is that there are people who just don't enjoy the blog format, just as I'm sure there are those who don't enjoy the vlog format. And often that's just a personal taste issue, but that doesn't mean their preference is invalid; what it does mean, however, is that they're not likely to be very good judges of the blogs (or vlogs, if they're a blog-only type) because their dislike for the format means that they're not going to be quite so sensitive to the difference between a good blog and a poor one because it's kind of all the same to them.

It's like having an ice cream judging contest with a chocolate category and a vanilla category, but some of the judges just don't like chocolate and some of them can't stand vanilla. It's better for everyone concerned if the relevant judges duck out and say "You know what, I'm really not the person to make the call on what makes a good Slendyblog/vanilla ice cream, I'll stick to judging the vlog/chocolate category" than for them to say "uuh, well I think they all kind of suck, I guess this one sucks less but it's all kind of the same to me".


Very true. But that's kind of why I like this rule so much. It forces people to get out of their comfort zones a bit. I'll admit that I'm not too caught up on vlogs other than the Big Three (I'm just a few vids behind on MLA0, DH, and CT, but apart from that, nothin'), so it forces me to watch the vlogs some more. The categories usually don't overlap, and there are separate awards for separate mediums. Those who are vlog people aren't judging them by vlog standards. By your metaphor, it'd be like saying "Well, I don't particularly like vanilla, but I think that this vanilla tastes better than that vanilla."

I'm a victim of the rules as well. But I like that. It gives me a reason to watch TJA and finish up Angel's Game. And guess what? I've got a whole month to do so! So I support these rules. I think that there are enough people who enjoy blogs and enough who enjoy vlogs to avoid any major bias. And for those daunted by the number of blogs, well, there have been suggestions in this thread that are probably biased some, but at least you have places to look!

Now let's all stop bickering, because it's kind of pointless.

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Anonymousity wrote:

@ EVERYBODY: Please read the rules thoroughly!! Your votes can only count if you vote for ALL categories. Why? If 85% would go "I don't read blogs!" then it could be that we have only five people voting for blogs. Laughing

I'm not going to read a blog just to vote for this. Wink

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