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My latest post at Red Kore (in case this one gets deleted)..
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Jimini Hendrix
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 		My latest post at Red Kore (in case this one gets deleted)..
OK, so we know what response my last post there got.

Here's my latest round of questions, which is basically a series of questions he can answer with a YES or NO in order to "aid" us in our "journey".

Let's see if he answers....

marc wrote:
PaleFigure wrote:
And anyway, If you aren't enjoying this ride, nobody is forcing you to come along.


excellent point, PF.


Dude, if you're ripping him off for $20 (or trying to), he has a right to be upset. That's like saying, "nobody is forcing you to buy snake oil."

Please answer these questions: :

Do we need a computer in order to experience the trips?

OR

Can we just stare at our cards until our trip activates and takes us on our astral journey?

Is clicking links on your website necessary in order to experience the trip (and I'm not talking about the ordering process)?

Has the trip already occured once we have navigated to "Design 3" as located on your website here: http://www.redkore.com/tel_trips/rectangle/screen3_design.html

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jimini hendrix
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 		Notice...
THIS is the most important question, so pay attention for this answer:

Has the trip already occured once we have navigated to "Design 3" as located on your website here: http://www.redkore.com/tel_trips/rectangle/screen3_design.html

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2003 8:49 am
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AnthraX101
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 		If all you want are simple answers to complex questions, why play the game at all.

You should not receive an answer to that question.

He is not ripping anyone off. He didn't tell anyone that the cards would cure their ills, mop their house, and make their car run faster. All he promised were 3 cards, 3 wafers, a box, a sleeve, and a lanyard. From what I have seen, he has delivered beautifully.

AnthraX101

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jimini hendrix
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 		ha, ha, right. That's the legal loophole. I wasn't aware he made it clear it was a "game", anyway? It doesn't say it's a game on the website.

As far as I can tell, he's offering astral projection and multidimensional teleport.

Rolling Eyes

But, he clearly shows what you'll be getting... basically, if you're stupid enough to fall for it, he wins.

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AnthraX101
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 		No, he has never said this was a game. You have to use a smidgen of common sense to tell that he is playing a game with us, even if it is not a game per-say.

Best I can see, he has lived up to his exact obligation when you order something from him:

Quote:
each trip package includes 3 trip cards (1 ignition + 2 data), 3 series-specific wafers, a plastic box, and a plastic sleeve with lanyard.

trip cards and wafers are printed on both sides of pieces of white plastic.


Seems like he has delivered. He stated that you can use them to perform his astral projection and multidimensional teleport rituals, and that seems to be the case.

Of course, I can see the substance of their promises when they feature a quote like this on the front page:

Quote:
"It is unclear and difficult to determine who should buy this product, what purpose the product serves, why you should buy this product, where you should use this product, when you should use this product, or benefits related to the use of this product."
student, oneroomschool.com


Caveat Emptor, my friend. If you don't know what you're getting into, don't. I have no more sympathy for you then I would for anyone who would call a phone psychic, get a palm reading, or buy a magic wand, and then expect their money back. You're buying something from redkore, an item, not a service.

AnthraX101

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Jimini Hendrix
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 		Ah, I'm not buying ANYTHING from Redkore because I am not an idiot. Are you in on this little scheme? You sure seem pro-con in this case... almost like you gave it a great deal of thought a long time ago.

Anyhoo, I hope nobody makes 1 red cent from it.

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 		Is the buyer buying a trip, a trip package, or a "trip"? Is that product defined well enough for buyers to understand the difference?

If the package is just the physical items, should we expect instructions on how to "activate" them or use them? Is it not rather like buying all of the ingredients to bake a cake without getting the recipe?

If I were in the market for an astral projection experience, I would still want some guidance as to how to begin -- and how to recognize whether or not it is working.

Does this product fall under any Better Business Bureau regulations?

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 		Believe me, he would lose a lawsuit, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Often businesses who know they're going to lose find ways to keep their money, regardless. A man I know lost millions on a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles product deal. He won the case, but the company filed bankruptcy and he lost out on at least $5 million (and yet he WON the case)...

So, yeah, buyer beware. Same goes for penis enlargement pills!

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tatter2323
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 		Maybe it's just me, but I seriously doubt the Red Kore guy is in it for the money. I would be really surprised if anyone actually bought their product. But if a customer actually did , wasn't satisfied, asked for their money back and they weren't reimbursed, Red Kore's poor reputation would spread like wild fire and NO ONE would ever buy anything from them again.

Of course, maybe I'm not thinking cynically enough and some tactless individual will post that they never got their money back, although they never actually bought the product in the first place.

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 		Hey, tatter... I found out about TELEPORT by researching Nikola Tesla on Google. They've placed PAID ADVERTISEMENTS. This isn't just hitting a few gaming nuts.

It all looks mysterious and spooky-like and has sort of vague promises. Sound familiar? Like a million charlatans and shams before?

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Nyght_Shyft
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catherwood wrote:
Is the buyer buying a trip, a trip package, or a "trip"? Is that product defined well enough for buyers to understand the difference?

If the package is just the physical items, should we expect instructions on how to "activate" them or use them? Is it not rather like buying all of the ingredients to bake a cake without getting the recipe?

If I were in the market for an astral projection experience, I would still want some guidance as to how to begin -- and how to recognize whether or not it is working.

Does this product fall under any Better Business Bureau regulations?

I think Catherwood brings up a good point. I think Red Kore has not handled the marketing of their product very appropriately. If it some kind of experience, game, or intellectual challenge they are selling, they should clearly state that. If the fact that you don't know is part of the whole experience, at least that should be stated so that potential customers aren't left entirely in the dark.

-nyght

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tatter2323
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Anonymous wrote:
Hey, tatter... I found out about TELEPORT by researching Nikola Tesla on Google. They've placed PAID ADVERTISEMENTS. This isn't just hitting a few gaming nuts.


And where perchance are these "PAID ADVERTISEMENTS"?

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vpisteve
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 		I've seen the ads when the google search terms are:

alternate reality gaming
alternate reality
alternate reality games
remote viewing
teleportation

Nothing for me using tesla , though.

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 		Tesla had some teleportation ideas/inventions....

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