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megaswfan
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Of Blogs And Men
Clearing up some misconceptions about Slenderblogs

Summary now, because the rest is a doozy:

• This is not an attempt to convince anyone to read blogs if they really don't want to. If you just prefer vlogs over blogs, which is fine, this probably won't interest you; I just want to relate what I, personally, have learned about my misconceptions.
• I used to dislike Slenderblogs until I started reading them.
• Slenderblogs are no longer about horror, they are about characters and concepts.
• Many Slenderblogs are badly written, yet there are also a number of amateur fiction gems (Don't expect professional quality).
• Good Slenderblogs are not inaccessible. The best are either standalone or crossover in ways that are understandable.
• Mary Sues may run amuck in the lesser Slenderblogs, but they are not all there are. Many great human characters and interesting character arcs exist in the Slenderverse
• Please, even if you dislike the blogs, at least don't bash them. I do not expect to get a single person to read them. I only expect to try and teach what I, personally, have learned about my misconceptions.

There's been a lot of drama popping up now and again about Slenderblogs here on Unforum. Honestly, that's really sad to see. Now, I'll admit, this is a new account, but please don't hold that against me. I've been lurking UF since Entry #22 of Marble Hornets. I was here to watch the rise of EverymanHYBRID and Tribe Twelve. I got in on the ground floor of Seeking Truth. I may be a new user, but I've been using this site as a resource for a long time.

I spent a long time lurking here and nearly as long refusing to read Slenderblogs. I held many of the same opinions that you all do now; the blogosphere was impenetrable, badly written and clogged with Mary Sues. It lacked horror and consumed too much time. I found myself uninterested in reading Slenderblogs because, quite frankly, I had other things I wanted to do than try to hunt down anything worthwhile in the mountain of nearly 500 blogs and vlogs.

However, I was recently reintroduced to the blogosphere by a few of my friends and decided I was going to catch up and read what I was informed were "good blogs". Since then, I've read more blogs than I can count. I've come to find the strengths and weaknesses of the Slenderblogs and accept them, finding the gold hidden amongst all the coal. Still, I didn't see any great need to shout this from the mountaintops. My find was my find. It didn't, and still doesn't, matter to me if my opinion is widely held. I was just happy with an amusing pastime.

What finally got me to make an account was the outrage over in the Tall Man Awards thread about the necessity of reading blogs to vote. I'm not here to talk about that thread, instead I simply want to address a few claims that have been made about the Slenderblogs on Unforum in the recent months.

This is not an attempt to say "GO READ BLOGS" or an attempt to say people are illiterate if they prefer vlogs over blogs. If you just prefer watching vlogs over blogs; more power to you. This is just me trying to shed some light on what is going on over in the blogosphere. I'll use a few examples here. Quite a few are the same examples I used in the Tall Man thread. This is because I feel they are some of the better, more accessible blogs that I have read, rather than an attempt to drive up traffic to specific sites.

Let me start with admissions, starting with the big one: Slenderblogs are rarely scary to me, but then neither are the vlogs. In my opinion, both the vlogs and blogs have moved away from being about horror and are instead about characters. I believe that the concept of Slender Man works best as an external force used to progress a character onwards. More and more in the blogs, it's not about Slender Man. It's about how he changes people. It's about humanity. They tend to be more about reimagining ideas, such as the mindless proxy, the sociopathic hero, why Slender Man hunts, etc. Don't read a Slenderblog expecting to shit your pants. Expect instead to read about concepts and characters. This isn't horror, this is chaotic fiction.

A good example of a not-so-scary blog is Records of an Impossibility. This is Slender Man done as modern Urban Fantasy. Note that last word. Fantasy, not horror. It's a well-written silly romp that reads a lot like Doctor Who meets Magic meets Slender Man. It's not the least bit scary, but it IS a lot of fun. A warning, though: it's quite long, and still ongoing.

It's true that not all blogs are well written. In fact, a lot of them are crap. Sturgeon's Law is in full effect here: with 500 vlogs/blogs and 90% of them being crap, you can only expect 50 good ones and 450 terrible ones. Even of those 50, you have to remember these are amateur writers doing this in their spare time. Do not go in expecting a bestselling novel. It's just amateur writers having fun with their imaginations and giving it to you for free. Also of note, yes, sometimes these blogs do lack "believability". A character wouldn't necessarily blog these things, or write a blog in these ways. The Slenderblogs have, again, shifted away from "This is horror that could be happening" and instead become vehicles for concept and characters that use Slender Man as an interesting antagonist.

Little Lion Man is a good example of what I would consider a well written blog. This is a man named Marcus who is recounting his previous encounters with Slender Man, which lead to him being confined to his home in a wheelchair. With a style similar to H.P. Lovecraft, and a theme of past adventures and regrets, I always enjoy seeing updates.

With that said, some of the things I originally believed to be true about Slenderblogs are simply incorrect. I've learned a lot in the past few months of reading blogs, and I'd like to share that knowledge with you.

First, the common opinion seems to be that blogs are completely inaccessible. Often times this is a complaint levied against the wider Slenderblogosphere's interconnectedness. Many call this "Core Theory", which is a misuse of the term. "Core Theory" was a popular theme amongst blogs for sometime late last year, using classical literary archetypes. It did not, in fact, have anything specifically to do with crossovers. The concept died off in December when the theme widely came to its climax and resolution.

You can learn more about what Core Theory really was here.

Going back to blogs being inaccessible; yes, there are a lot of blogs right now. Yes, a lot of them reference each other, and the characters interact. Yes, there is a general "canon" at this point. However, this does not make it "impossible" to simply read a single blog. The best blogs are mostly self-contained, and the best full crossovers do not require you to switch between blogs to understand the story.

A blog that does a solid job with crossovers is A Wand and a Prayer. This is the story of a woman who overcomes her past human issues all while also dealing with Slender Man. It's a bit bumpy at first, but many of the later posts are fantastic. She does a few crossovers, but always makes certain to link to the posts of the other blog, as well as working to ensure that the plot remains understandable on her own. It also helps that her crossovers are often one-off posts of character development rather than running her story. (Also of note: Kay is a witch in the modern New Age sense, not in the "Mary Sue: I cast lightning bolt on Slender Man" sense. This is a unique character trait that adds an aspect to the character I've personally yet to encounter since. Please, do not just see the title and balk.)

A blog that stands very well on its own is Now I Shall Know You Again. This is all about a college student who thinks he knows everything. He's haughty, genre savvy, and damn sure of himself. And then Slender Man breaks him down to the point where not the smallest bit of his original self remains. The finale happens in a crossover, but it's the final post, and even then, there is another post to explain what happened for those who don't read the other blog. Outside of that, this is a blog that never truly touches anyone else's works.

Another major misconception I see is this idea that Mary Sues have taken over the universe. This, to me, ties back to Sturgeon's Law. There are a lot of crap blogs out there. A LOT. And there's a lot of blogs that try to be action movies instead of horror, suspense, or thrillers. However, that doesn't make every character a Mary Sue. There are a number of amazing character arcs out there. Internet works are always full of Sues. It's a given. However, that doesn't even begin to mean that everyone is Oh So Clever And Always Wins.

To start, there's It's All David's Fault. This blog's protagonist is, in my opinion, the single most relatable Slenderblog character I've yet encountered. It's the story of a girl who moves to a new town where she finds work as a babysitter and mostly just chills on the Internet. Until a certain skinny fellow starts taking interest in the girl under her care. This blog is self-contained, and honestly had a few scenes that gave me chills. Still, its greatest asset is the utterly relatable main character who feels like the girl next door.

If you're willing to deal with "Core Theory" as it is often considered, a mass of comments and blogs popping in on each other constantly, you get the setup for my favorite character arc in the Mythos. A Hint of Serendipity is a Core Theory blog with an "average joe" protagonist who gets in too deep. Honestly, I feel it's good but nothing special.

However, it leads into Last Refuge of a Dangerous Man. AHoS ends with the lead character rushing off to face Slendy in Core Theory's main climax, and presumably being slaughtered (thus mostly ending Core Theory). LRDM shows that what everyone thought was wrong. Zero didn't die. Slender Man straight up ignored him and never appeared. Robbed of his destiny as a martyr, Zero's mind breaks and he begins to blame others for making deals with the devil and becomes one of the monsters he wanted to fight. It's a fantastic look at the fall of a broken hero.

My final point to make is that the Slenderblogs are a bastion of creativity that do things vlogs can't. The vlogs are an amazing visual medium that require so much effort to be put into them. Anyone can write a blog. However, the blogging medium allows for incredible ideas which no vlog could achieve with the budget or special effects necessary to accomplish. Writers are collaborating on concepts that have yet to be seen in the Slenderverse. To simply write all of them off due to misguided beliefs is a shame. I was disappointed in myself for being so very wrong about what the modern blogs were like. I never imagined just what was out there.

And…that's really all I have for now. I know. I literally just wrote something the length of an academic paper. However, I feel every word of it needed to be said. I don't care if you don't like blogs. I don't care if you never read a single one. I simply wish to show what I have learned about the Slenderblogosphere. If I help one other person get into these blogs, or even simply to understand that the blogs aren't a cesspool of bad ideas and bad writing, I've accomplished what I set out to do.

inb4TL;DR.

EDIT: stickied. stickied HARD. --Cougar Draven
EDIT 2: Unstickied after a long, wayward run. --Cougar Draven


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I agree with you on one point in particular: The best blogs ARE stand-alone, or make relevant crossovers. And sure, they are more about humanity and characters; but I think the original market for these stories also needs to be appreciated. Most people came along due to Marble Hornets, let's be honest. Thus, the pre-made audience for the series' that we have here has its roots in the creeping horror. While it certainly isn't beyond us to step outside our comfort zone, the fact of the matter is, if there's a demand for one sort of story, and a supply of something completely different, not everyone will remain interested.

Not all blogs are bad, in fact, some are very good, even if they can't pull off the horror which most likely generated their interest in the Mythos themselves. But on the other hand, some are particularly obnoxious, and it has become quite a trial to separate the grains from the chafe.

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There are some blogs that I like a lot. I respect any piece of work which doesn't lost sight of the genre it's working in - for my money, Slender Man is supposed to be about creeping psychological horror, dread and paranoia, building up to unbearable levels of terror. As long as a story can properly balance character or other new elements with the same stripped-down, gut-level horror and dread SM began with, I can give it a chance. When people start pulling out magic powers, military-grade weaponry, and pretentious names ("call me...StalkingHorse"*) and then begin blogging back and forth at each other about how "the fight goes on," however, it takes a lot of the horror out of it for me. When that sort of stuff happens I lose interest; it may be a cool shared universe thing for the writers, but when you add the vaguely superhero-esque trappings it ceases to be SM to me, in my subjective POV. We all love to personally interact with the text or story, that's the nature of an ARG. But would I want to become some gun-toting or spellcasting prodigy within the MH, EMH or TT universe? No, never; it wouldn't fit. So there are some blogs I enjoy, and some I don't.

* - "StalkingHorse" is not, at last check, an actual blogger name

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qaqa wrote:
There are some blogs that I like a lot. I respect any piece of work which doesn't lost sight of the genre it's working in - for my money, Slender Man is supposed to be about creeping psychological horror, dread and paranoia, building up to unbearable levels of terror. As long as a story can properly balance character or other new elements with the same stripped-down, gut-level horror and dread SM began with, I can give it a chance. When people start pulling out magic powers, military-grade weaponry, and pretentious names ("call me...StalkingHorse"*) and then begin blogging back and forth at each other about how "the fight goes on," however, it takes a lot of the horror out of it for me. When that sort of stuff happens I lose interest; it may be a cool shared universe thing for the writers, but when you add the vaguely superhero-esque trappings it ceases to be SM to me, in my subjective POV. We all love to personally interact with the text or story, that's the nature of an ARG. But would I want to become some gun-toting or spellcasting prodigy within the MH, EMH or TT universe? No, never; it wouldn't fit. So there are some blogs I enjoy, and some I don't.

* - "StalkingHorse" is not, at last check, an actual blogger name


I think that's exactly the type of thought that megaswfan is talking about. The generalizations you're making for the blogosphere apply only to a minority of the blogs out there, or to trends which happened in the past, which many of the stories have grown out of.

Military grade hardware? Well, there's "Observe and Terminate", but they're basically the SPC of the Slender Man Mythos, so they get a pass for that. Sometimes in the lesser blogs I've seen people pulling out submachine guns, but in most stories, the protagonists have only the resources a regular person would have available.

Magic? Yes, that does exist in the blogosphere, and not just the Sturgeon filled parts. Part of its bad reputation comes from how many of the first blogs to introduce magical elements were terribly written Sue fics, and that stigma stuck with the idea of magic for a while. I can understand people being put off by the existence of it in stories, if they're looking for more realistic material. It's a legitimate reason not to read a blog, which I can quietly accept. But it isn't as widespread as many seem to believe (I'd estimate, amongst the blogs accepted by most as quality, less than half a dozen contain characters with magical abilities). Even when it does appear, it's often more supernatural than superpowered. And if anyone claims that the occult and supernatural can't exist in Cosmic Horror, then I will have no choice but to beat them over the head with the complete works of H.P. Lovecraft. Wink

As for pretentious names..... Well, it's the internet. EVERYONE has a pretentious username online. But even then, a large portion of the blogosphere uses regular, boring, everyday names (Ray, Logan, Damien, Kay, Celie, Cynthia, Jean, Robert, Tony, etc.)


Like megaswfan, I'm not trying to convince you THAT YOU MUST READ BLAHG NAOW. Only that, once you get past the walls of Sturgeon and into the decent material, the blogosphere is quite different than what the perceptions you seem to have of it are.

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Das Omega wrote:
I think that's exactly the type of thought that megaswfan is talking about. The generalizations you're making for the blogosphere apply only to a minority of the blogs out there, or to trends which happened in the past, which many of the stories have grown out of.


Then in fact I'm not making a generalization - it actually has relevance and precedence in the evolution of the blogosphere. I'd like to believe they've grown out of it, but I still can't read many of the more prominent blogs I'm told about these days without tripping over a lot of crossovers and inter-connection and overlapping stuff that just doesn't make sense to me, or scare me. As I've said many times re: potential vlog crossovers, I don't begrudge a crossover at all - I only begrudge a poorly-done crossover that detracts from the mood and tone of an existing storyline. And while this may also have been cut down on, I don't have an interest in a bunch of "proxies" with funky names.

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Sometimes in the lesser blogs I've seen people pulling out submachine guns, but in most stories, the protagonists have only the resources a regular person would have available.


I've seen way too many blogs with people turning up armed and being able to describe the weapon right down to make and model. I personally prefer to not get my FPS geekery all mixed up in my SLONDORMONS, and that's how it comes off to me.

I understand there are blogs that do not indulge in these and the other tropes I personally dislike; that's why some of those are blogs I truly enjoy. But the flaws in others do exist - or perhaps simply personal pet peeves - and they're why I am more attuned to the vlogs on a whole. Some of it is a matter of personal tastes for people - and that's fine.

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holy wall of text, batman!

but yeah. definitely a good post. what i most like about blogs is that they can do things that would be practically and financially impractical for a vlog. people complain about vlogs only being college-aged guys, but they can't really be much of anything else. it's a lot easier to write about being a cop and interrogating a crazy dude in an interrogation room than it would be to acquire an interrogation room and film. blogs offer a viewpoint not able to be portrayed by amateur slendervlogs.

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I like blogs and I endorse this topic. I'm also not really a fan of horror as a genre, so that might be why I like the blogs that are, as you said, about characters and concepts.

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qaqa wrote:
StalkingHorse


Internationally acclaimed jockey Jay McJessicalex leads a double life. On one hand, a multi-millionaire equine master with a penchant for carrying his trusty gun, a USA 16/50 (40.6) Mark 7 (circa 1943) as he rides, on the other hand, a practicing warlock with a specialty in grey magic. Calm, wisecracking and arrogant, Jay has it all, (particularly ladies 'cause he's all manly and straight and such. So many ladies) until his prized stallion is found gruesomely murdered, and a sharp-dressed man is seen looming over his estate. Now, with a thirst for revenge and his second-best stallion at his side, McJessicalex must choose: does he sit back and let this slender man win, or does he FIGHT for his FREEDOM as an AMERICAN CITIZEN against the powers OF injustice? (PROTIP: He does the latter)

Stalking Horse. Coming soon to a Tumblr near you. Now with special guest appearances from The Andersen Journal's Michael, the unicorn from Unnatural Events, and TV's Ryan O'Neal.

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SolDL wrote:
qaqa wrote:
StalkingHorse


Internationally acclaimed jockey Jay McJessicalex leads a double life. On one hand, a multi-millionaire equine master with a penchant for carrying his trusty gun, a USA 16/50 (40.6) Mark 7 (circa 1943) as he rides, on the other hand, a practicing warlock with a specialty in grey magic. Calm, wisecracking and arrogant, Jay has it all, (particularly ladies 'cause he's all manly and straight and such. So many ladies) until his prized stallion is found gruesomely murdered, and a sharp-dressed man is seen looming over his estate. Now, with a thirst for revenge and his second-best stallion at his side, McJessicalex must choose: does he sit back and let this slender man win, or does he FIGHT for his FREEDOM as an AMERICAN CITIZEN against the powers OF injustice? (PROTIP: He does the latter)

Stalking Horse. Coming soon to a Tumblr near you. Now with special guest appearances from The Andersen Journal's Michael, the unicorn from Unnatural Events, and TV's Ryan O'Neal.


I am so writing that once I finish my current story.

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Well, there's a couple more things I'd like to point out here. First, I personally find that the potential audience for Slenderblogs has shrunk. There's a lot of solid, stand-alone, horror-based blogs that simply do not have the same audience that they used to.

Not only that, but much of the audience that has stuck around has turned into authors. Much of the Slenderblogverse, even the stand-alone blogs, are written for other writers, simply because that IS the audience now. The days of blogs like Just Another Fool and Seeking Truth are over. This is why the authors now tend to write towards their fellow authors IMO. (Also, the question of why this shrinking/joining of the audience happened can be attributed to numerous factors, so I do not wish to start on that.)

Some of the interconnectedness of the blogs can be attributed to this audience shift. The fact that blog characters comment back and forth is definitely a part of this. Also, this is another thing I'd like to point out. Much of the great CROSSOVERS AMUCK issue has gone away. Yes, blog characters speak to each other. It's simply become part of the -Verse. With well-ran blogs, you don't even have to touch the comments of (or they have a work around like putting important ones in the next post, or linking) and, therefore, can avoid this illusion of INTERCONNECTION EVERYWHERE. Much of the interconnection is less crossover and more just characters making typical ARG-style comments but as characters.

To go back to the "fight the good fight" aspect, this simply comes as part of the expansion of the blogs. There was a lot of isolation and terror in the early blogs. Why? Because there wasn't a population of blogs. The character were literally isolated on the Internet. There was no one else to turn to Now, there are 500 vlogs and blogs. No character is isolated anymore. This, more than anything else, is what detracts from the horror. If a blog enters the shared universe, it will instantly lose this aspect of Slender Terror.

Smart blogs know how to get around this. The easiest way to spot a blog intended to be isolated? Check if it's on Blogger. Blogger has the biggest community. Other sites, not-so-much. If the URL doesn't contain "blogspot", it's likely to be a return to isolationist horror.

And... there's another wall of text. Sorry about that... Brevity is a cross-class skill for me, and I put too many points into Highly Specialized Hobbies to afford putting points into something that useful.

I'm gonna drop off again and let this thread keep going...

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megaswfan wrote:
Not only that, but much of the audience that has stuck around has turned into authors. Much of the Slenderblogverse, even the stand-alone blogs, are written for other writers, simply because that IS the audience now. The days of blogs like Just Another Fool and Seeking Truth are over. This is why the authors now tend to write towards their fellow authors IMO.


And I think that's exactly the problem.

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qaqa wrote:
megaswfan wrote:
Not only that, but much of the audience that has stuck around has turned into authors. Much of the Slenderblogverse, even the stand-alone blogs, are written for other writers, simply because that IS the audience now. The days of blogs like Just Another Fool and Seeking Truth are over. This is why the authors now tend to write towards their fellow authors IMO.


And I think that's exactly the problem.


The problem with what, exactly? The blogosphere in general? This is a complaint leveled against certain blogs, but most certainly not all. Specific blogs? Then why did you feel the need to respond be basically reiterating what megaswfan said?

Also, I can't be the only person who has had this thought; what blogs have you read? You constantly referring to them vaguely but never actually specify. Surely if you think there are good blogs and that they deserve recognition you would at least mention their names?

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qaqa wrote:


I've seen way too many blogs with people turning up armed and being able to describe the weapon right down to make and model. I personally prefer to not get my FPS geekery all mixed up in my SLONDORMONS, and that's how it comes off to me.


As someone who is quite familiar with firearms, I have to point this out, most have their model and manufacturer stamped somewhere on the weapon. Not so much FPS geekery as looking on the slide or body.

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I think Qaqa is a huge Breaker supporter, like myself.

Anyways, I just wanted to add that isolationist horror stories really build the best base for a Slenderman story, I find. But that's me. My other point to make is I find Slenderman to be a primarily visual phenomenon, so purely text blogs always seemed... well, just a little misaimed, but they're clearly popular and some I've read have had good, scary parts. It's just that, to me, Slenderman is primarily a horror version of Where's Waldo, and there's a reason those books tend not to be novellas.

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