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SublimeInsomnia wrote:
The problem with what, exactly? The blogosphere in general? This is a complaint leveled against certain blogs, but most certainly not all. Specific blogs? Then why did you feel the need to respond be basically reiterating what megaswfan said?


Because he/she seemed to be discussing it in general terms. I think it's the single biggest problem with the Slenderblogosphere in terms of why readership is down.

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Also, I can't be the only person who has had this thought; what blogs have you read? You constantly referring to them vaguely but never actually specify. Surely if you think there are good blogs and that they deserve recognition you would at least mention their names?


I have named them, actually, many times, when people talk to me one-on-one. But for the sake of your impromptu audit, okay, I'll tell you here. I happen to enjoy stuff like Origin Of Simulation, and a fair amount of Old Celluloid, and more recently Happy Thoughts. I liked the Ethical Question setup with those 2(?) blogs. I am way behind on Observe & Terminate, but read it regularly until some months ago; I didn't think their stuff at all fit the mythos or the genre (as per my prior post) and I wasn't scared by it, but I was intrigued and I thought it was a bold spin on things, and that the writer was very talented. I was a reader of Make It Count for awhile. In the past I enjoyed Seeking Truth and Just Another Fool despite the latter's abrupt ending. I may give Fabulous another go even though it turned me off. Most of the ones I read I'm behind on, because I'm busy with my own work and my own writing.

That being said, my tastes are not relevant. It's purely subjective based on what any one of us enjoys for ourselves.

Oh, and yeah, totes BREAKER

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 		My my there are a lot of greenhorns getting in here to defend the glorious Slenderblog format against the villainous qawck who has voiced his displeasure with some of them.

ME GUSTA.

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SolDL wrote:
My my there are a lot of greenhorns getting in here to defend the glorious Slenderblog format against the villainous qawck who has voiced his displeasure with some of them.

ME GUSTA.


I don't believe three is "a lot", and I don't see anyone here who has implied blogs are "glorious" or that qaqa is "villainous". I see only simple inquiry and attempts to clarify some general misconceptions.

This thread is meant only for the latter. It's not an attempt to bring back an audience that has left, for better or worse (As I said, the wider audience of blogs is dead. Proof? When's the last time any blog, isolationist or shared universe, got over 100 comments with most being "OOG" as in the days of JAF and ST?). It's not an attempt to yell and weep about "Oh no some people don't like blogs! They're so marginalized!". It's not an attempt to claim they're better than vlogs. It's not pointing fingers.

It's not anything but simply sharing some things I've learned about Slenderblogs in the past few months with others. If this, and the rather gentle inquiries others have presented in this thread, is viewed as an unnecessary defense of the genre or an attack on those who dislike blogs, then it has been greatly misconstrued.

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SolDL wrote:
My my there are a lot of greenhorns getting in here to defend the glorious Slenderblog format against the villainous qawck who has voiced his displeasure with some of them.

ME GUSTA.


Of course. If we fail to convince qaqa that blogs are superior to vlogs in every possible way, then the terrorists win. We're only doing our Patriotic Duty.

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 		PROTIP: anyone who uses the phrase 'villainous qawck' probably isn't being too serious. I was just making an observation about the folk joining the argument, nothing more, nothing less.

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SolDL wrote:
PROTIP: anyone who uses the phrase 'villainous qawck' probably isn't being too serious. I was just making an observation about the folk joining the argument, nothing more, nothing less.


But anyone who uses the phrase villainous qawck on Angora is deadly serious.

brb going to IRC

But seriously. Blogs aren't innately superior to vlogs, nor is the reverse true. They each have their merits, and are largely written for their respective audience. Do I read many blogs? No, honestly, I don't. I have little time as it is, especially considering my internet situation at the moment, and I'd rather spend it doing my job here on UF, and writing and uploading bits of my own, woefully underread (in my extremely biased opinion) blog, than perusing the works of others. Part of it, I'll admit, is jealousy. But a lot of it is just time constraints. I still follow MH, EMH, and TT. But I haven't made time in a long while to watch any of the other vlog series. Perhaps when I have better internet and more time at hand to do so, I will.

But yeah. Read blogs if you like them. But if you don't, don't go around talking about how they suck. It just makes you look like a dick.
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 		regarding "the glorious Slenderblog format", I had always wondered why this genre found a home for discussion on an ARG forum. As "chaotic fiction" I suppose it fits, but I never saw any organized "game" behind it. I just wanted to share something I learned at a Fanime panel this year: Slenderman is a meme. Enjoy!

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 		catherwood, there are true ARGs in the Slenderman Mythos, EverymanHYBRID being one of the most prominent ones. Marble Hornets also has some ARG elements, though I wouldn't classify it as a true ARG. But you are correct 90% of them are not ARGs.

I think the placement here spins out of Marble Hornets, which gained an audience here early on, so the fans of the genre just stuck around. Then EverymanHYBRID started and this became one of only three or four major places of discussion for it on the interwebs, and it needs a LOT of discussion. So the flow of SM fans continued to head here.

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SolDL wrote:
PROTIP: anyone who uses the phrase 'villainous qawck' probably isn't being too serious. I was just making an observation about the folk joining the argument, nothing more, nothing less.


While it was evident you weren't serious, the use of sarcasm to make such an observation still steers the discussion away from "this is just talking about blogs as a medium" towards "wow, look at all these people who don't have many posts showing up for this topic". While I chuckled at the joke, I felt it needed a response.

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catherwood wrote:
regarding "the glorious Slenderblog format", I had always wondered why this genre found a home for discussion on an ARG forum. As "chaotic fiction" I suppose it fits, but I never saw any organized "game" behind it. I just wanted to share something I learned at a Fanime panel this year: Slenderman is a meme. Enjoy!


Well, technically, it is no ARG in the traditional sense, yes...
But since everyone can set up an account on, say, Blogger for themselves and participate in the stories of others, it resembles the genre. Add reader-interaction, riddles and choose-your-own-adventure-style plots ("Reach" from WYAITD explicitly planned different plotlines depending on different possible reactions by the readers) and you see the similarities.

So, maybe one could see it as a rp-arg-hybrid?
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SolDL
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megaswfan wrote:

Also: HOLY SNAPS I GOT STICKIED?! ON UNFORUM!? Dream come true Very Happy


Hehe, it's a good feeling Very Happy

It kind of is far more roleplaying than alternate reality game, particularly when invoking the blogs. The vlogs don't take kindly to roleplaying, as it tends to be more gamejacking, particularly as they tend to have far more of a structured plot which doesn't allow for the little folk to stick their fingers into the proverbial pie.

The original blogs had some very significant ARG aspects in them; I remember Mr. Flamerock got sent the JAF notebook.

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 		The reason why not too many people read blogs is because not that many people read. Period. It takes a lot more effort to read and follow a blog than to sit down and have your senses bombarded by 2-14 minutes of creepy visuals and amateur acting.

And I won't deny, that's why I love vlogs. It's the magic. The mystique. The visual style, the sensory bombardment. Capturing Slendy on camera and seeing your favorite vlogger escape pitfalls and certain death.

It's just a whole lot easier to get into a film or video than reading. That's why movies generally sell better than books. It's just easier entertainment. It's more visceral and can make you jump.

Now, for those who are more interesting in WATCHING my explanation rather than READING, here's a brief explanation of

WHY PEOPLE WATCH VLOGS MORE THAN THEY READ BLOGS

IT'S JUST THAT HOLLYWOOD MAGIC!!!
(Danny the cat = your average vlogger)



YouTube: Link

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Aurastys wrote:
It's just a whole lot easier to get into a film or video than reading. That's why movies generally sell better than books. It's just easier entertainment. It's more visceral and can make you jump.


I disagree with a lot of what you've said, but this most of all. This may just be me, but I find it harder to get invested and involved in a film than a book of similar quality. Books have more of an in-depth world to them, and for the most part, films need to keep a fast pace, which usually annoys me, because I like the entertainment to last for a while.
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Cougar Draven wrote:
Aurastys wrote:
It's just a whole lot easier to get into a film or video than reading. That's why movies generally sell better than books. It's just easier entertainment. It's more visceral and can make you jump.


I disagree with a lot of what you've said, but this most of all. This may just be me, but I find it harder to get invested and involved in a film than a book of similar quality. Books have more of an in-depth world to them, and for the most part, films need to keep a fast pace, which usually annoys me, because I like the entertainment to last for a while.


Well that's because you read haha. I'm just saying a lot of people don't have to patience nor the time allotment to read. The fact that vlogs take less time to get involved in is part of what makes them enjoyable.

I'm in no way saying that blogs are inferior to vlogs, or that they're superior, so don't take it that way. I'm just simply stating why vlogs garner more attention.

All I'm saying is, take a survey of people and ask them for their top 10 favorites movies, and they'll give it to you. Ask them for their top 10 favorite books, and a lot of people couldn't even say they've read that many books of their own volition. It appeals to a wider audience than reading typically does. I'd consider you an exception, not the rule. Keep in mind I'm speaking in generalities.

I personally am a fan of reading, but I'm also a huge film buff. I may be a tad biased in my opinions, but I think this is a reasonable enough explanation for why vlogs seems to get more attention than blogs.

Btw: Didn't you at least like my Cats Don't Dance video? =(

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 		YouTube's broken at the moment. I could fire it up in another tab, but I wouldn't be able to tell you if I liked the video until tomorrow.

This is a regular thing. Even though I'm a new-media junkie (and oh boy am I), I've turned to reading as solace during my past long, long periods of disconnect from electronics.
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