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writer of said JRPG dialogue here. Yeah, the style for it sucks, but I had such trouble trying to find a way that it could still be represented blogstyle without it just being story dialogue, so I chose to pattern the actual conversation in a way my char was familiar with, namely FFXI's text style.

I have only kept it due to consistency, really, but next blog I write, it'll lose that.

Thanks for reading it, and tolerating the dialogue style. Peace!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:33 pm
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To my most esteemed compatriots,

It does appear, I wager, that this is no longer a debate of substance, but one of semantics. It has turned from the most honorable of fights, being, of course, one over an internet meme, to one of no culture whatsoever: boiling down to "I'M NOT MAD!" "I'M NOT MAD EITHER!" "THEN WHY DON'T YOU STOP MESSING UP MY AWESOME DISCUSSION?!" "...BECAUSE IT'S A DISCUSSION!"

As you can see, the level of intellectuality has severely petered off, and my intention is to bring the discourse back to where it should be: pretentiously talking about a white bloke in Armani, and the new media which surrounds him in all of its wondrous entirety. But prior to this circumvention of the juvenile elitism which has so begun to plague this topic (my own elitism is, at the very least, teenage), there is a little, teensy ol' point I feel must be addressed: that of the alleged blogger/uF rift. The present rebuttal will serve to prove that, not only does it not exist (Much like Santa Claus, our Good Lord on High, and the Gulf War), but that the very idea of it existing is, in itself, erroneous. I will seek to prove this whilst stealing thesis lines from Jean Baudrillard.

Anyhow, to the first portion of my rebuttal: the blogger/uF rift never happened. The first I ever heard of the blogger/uF rift was from, well, the bloggers in question. I feel this is due to one major reason: the disproportionate amount of discussion afforded to vlogs over blogs. This is something close to the heart of this topic, apparently, so I will not spend my time providing background, though I will make one last observation as to why it is the case: This is an ARG board. The blogs are for the most part barely ARGs. I mean this in the sense that they are not immersible and interactive for the responder; rarely can players change the outcome of the game. (Of course, blogs such as Just Another Fool are a clear exception to the rule.) Thus, EverymanHYBRID gets a million topics, and only either the most popular blogs, or those which have puzzles worked into their fabric, get past the first couple of pages of discussion. I feel this is reasonable for an ARG board: Slender Nation focuses far more on narrative, we are the collective detective. However, due to some reason on the part of some of the creators, possibly some deficiency of love/discipline in the Oral/Anal stage of development, not being discussed here makes them feel unloved and in need of big hugs because they think UF hates them. More on this in the surprise third part of my thesis.

Secondly, the blogger/uF rift will not take place. Why? Because it can not take place. The terms by which a rift between writer and responder might be estranged involve participation by both sides, and this is in itself a ridiculous notion, particularly because the sides are not clearly defined. As has been stated before by...possibly SublimeInsomnia, generalizing blogs as one amorphous mass is an exercise in idiocy. There are exceptions to the supposed 'rules', but far more importantly: Every man and his dog at uF is writing a blog. A rift between uF and the blogging community would be a rift of the self. The blogger/uF rift will not take place, as the blogger/uF sides do not exist. There will still be blogs at uF, and there will still be uFers writing blogs, and enjoying blogs. While blogs cannot be generalized, neither can their responders, and I feel that point has been glossed over somewhat: there is not a forum-wide trend to poo-poo blogs because 'fuck reading', that is a false premise that I feel has been more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than anything else. There is, however, an individualistic trend to stick to what appeals to you, a trend which resides in absolutely everyone with a sense of self-preservation and fulfillment. Which brings me to my third point.

The uF/blogger split is not taking place. Contrary to what it may look like in this topic, I feel the blogging community does a great job in their own field. However, it is when a great deal of self-righteous butt-hurt gets involved that I start to get a little antsy, and then a little fight-y. All this bemoaning of the intense schism between writer and responder actually makes blog reading less appealing to me, knowing that the authors involved in this hysteria are so in need of someone to pat them on the head and say "you keep doing what you're doing", of this outside authentication to keep doing what they clearly love. I find the blog circle in question (we all know that this discussion is mostly centering around a certain few) impenetrable for the outsider, but I can see its merits in another way, as an exercise in roleplaying. The interaction between characters, the crossovers...It might look daft from an outside point of view (perhaps not all outside points of view, either) but I can tell that if I was in there, I'd be having a ton of fun. And I can respect that from a theoretical point of view.

Now can we please get back to talking about our super-special-awesome meme instead of forming a merry old train of spite on qaqa? That'd be really nice.

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I don't take the train.

I AM THE CONDUCTOR.

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I even have evidence to suggest uF is more blog-friendly than Slender Nation. Without naming names, a certain blog was posted both here and over there, and using the blogsite-provided statistics, there were over three times as many people referred to this one blog by the uF topic than by the SN one. So that little stereotype is not supported by facts and should be forgotten about.

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I want to split off Delta's post and sticky it. Because that is the closest thing to a "like" that I can give that.
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SolDL wrote:
Awesome post


Is awesome.

Honestly, agreed nearly every step of the way (I have issues with snarky jokes in discussions, but hey, it's just me).

I think one of the major reasons there is/was that feeling is that there was a long period of time where not many blogs got any trailhead, despite the increase in blogs. TrailheadTroll does a fantastic job alleviating that now the they're here.

Also, there was that time in the Deja vu Dreamer topic and in the Tall Man topic where some people were all "BAAWWWW BLOGS" <_<. That's honestly the main reason I dropped this post in here in the first place. Not "UF HATES BLOGS" so much as "Man, it honestly looks like maybe we should talk about this"

Lewa wrote:
I even have evidence to suggest uF is more blog-friendly than Slender Nation. Without naming names, a certain blog was posted both here and over there, and using the blogsite-provided statistics, there were over three times as many people referred to this one blog by the uF topic than by the SN one. So that little stereotype is not supported by facts and should be forgotten about.


I personally don't like using incoming link stats to define what community likes what more.

My little blog gets about double the hits from UF than SN. However, I primarily attribute that to the fact that, I feel, UF is a bigger site with a bigger audience. If UF has twice the audience, it makes sense to get twice the hits. TVTropes gives me triple the hits UF does, but I wouldn't say that means Tropes like blogs three times more than UF and six times more than SN. *shrug*

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Luipaard wrote:

Also? Everyone in this thread, and I do mean everyone, needs to step away from the computer and go do something else for a few hours. Slender Man is not worth getting into an internet-fight over. For heaven's sake, there's a stickied thread right next to this one discussing this precise behavior and why its deplorable.


This seems to have been completely ignored. I think it's worth reiterating.

Now, time to whack everyone with the TopicStick(TM) and get off of the topic of how the thread has gotten off topic.

megaswfan wrote:

I personally don't like using incoming link stats to define what community likes what more.

My little blog gets about double the hits from UF than SN. However, I primarily attribute that to the fact that, I feel, UF is a bigger site with a bigger audience. If UF has twice the audience, it makes sense to get twice the hits. TVTropes gives me triple the hits UF does, but I wouldn't say that means Tropes like blogs three times more than UF and six times more than SN. *shrug*


Just a quick note regarding this: most of the people on the Slender Nation are also involved in a creator community and share opinions among themselves in a skype chat as opposed to on a forum. This may also be where the lack of discussion in terms of blogs comes from, to an extent. There are 50+ bloggers in that community. There are around 10 vloggers. The people who want to discuss blogs ARE discussing blogs...among themselves. Come to think of it, that may be part of the problem.

Now, on to other matters. I'm seeing some complaints leveled towards blogs in this thread regarding quality. That's a very valid point. However, one must remember to not apply this standard only to blogs. There have been comments about how amateur fiction should or shouldn't be judged by the same standards as professional fiction. If that's true, you have to apply the exact same standards to vlogs, though. This cannot be a complaint leveled against blogs alone. Zeke gets "drunk" and shlursh hish wordsh phonetically. That's a valid complaint. On the other hand, that also means you have to complain about the wooden characters with little-to-no personality in Marble Hornets. You can complain about cheesy dialogue, yes. That's a valid complaint. But then you also have to complain about Noah's "come out, come out, wherever you are" lines and constant F-bombs. You can complain about long, unnecessary posts, and that's a valid complaint as well. But you could say something similar about the long "I'm just talking to a camera" portions of MLAndersen and Angel's Game. Blogs do have problems, yes. And while I don't think that anyone denies that vlogs have problems as well, it seems just a bit unfair to say that blogs should be judged by professional standards while even Marble Hornets somehow let Spongebob travel back in time to 1991.

This brings me to another similar point, one that I've seen discussed a lot elsewhere but not much in this thread: the interconnectedness. There is a general "community," yes. And this community consists of many characters posting in-character in comments on other blogs. Is this a crossover? No. In any good blog, comments and responses usually aren't important, and if they are (like in Deja vu Dreamer and Fabulous), a good blogger will either summarize or link to the comments or at least allude to the fact that said comments are important. So comments aren't a problem, and once you realize that most comments aren't really that important (and are often really just a way of "advertising" the commenter's blog), it makes a lot of "interconnectedness" seem less daunting.

However....

There is still a problem. Not every blog stands alone. There are two ways that reading more than one blog is necessary. The first is crossover. The London Librarian and What You Are In the Dark crossed over, and did it with some amount of success. Of course, they also crossed over with several other bloggers, and it actually meant that I had to end up reading a total of six blogs in order to fully understand the story they had. The problem with crossovers is they tend to be hurriedly planned and/or shoehorned into the plot. On the other hand, there are what I've personally dubbed "extended canons." These are basically self-contained universes involving multiple blogs, usually planned that way from the beginning. For example, Smiting the Gods shares an extended canon with Vox98 and Father of Light. Three blogs, one overarching story. Likewise, Dreams in Darkness, Deja vu Dreamer, and Maleorderman's Blog are all separate blogs with separate stories, but they're all important to understand the full, overarching story. With both crossovers and extended canons, they have to be done well, and they do involves some extra reading, but often times, the crossovers aren't as bad as people make them out to be. I've been reading Smiting the Gods for a while now but haven't gotten around to the other two related blogs. I still understand it fine. I didn't need to read all the other Core Theory blogs to understand White Elephants. If done well, a blog that crosses over won't make you read ten other blogs to "get it."

Really, my point regarding the interconnected blogosphere is this: it can get confusing, yes, but it's really not more confusing than EverymanHYBRID, in which the story is spread between two or three YouTube channels, a blog, twitter, and various other one-shot videos on random channels. It's an ARG. It's hard to follow for a newcomer. It puts some people off. But it's not impossible to catch up on. If you don't feel like trying, that's fine. After all, I'm not a huge fan of EverymanHYBRID simply because I don't want to put in the effort to catch up. But if you do feel like trying, don't be daunted by it.

That's my piece. I've said what I wanted to say. *steps down*

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Honestly, agreed nearly every step of the way (I have issues with snarky jokes in discussions, but hey, it's just me).


I snark, yes, okay, I do. Just chill, it wasn't all at you. So don't feel blue! I knew I snarked (because I do), but even though it may be through this snarking at a certain few, all I say seems right and true (especially in points 1 and 2). I don't intend to stage a coup, I just have a small issue with the rod stuck up a certain wazoo. (I won't say who.) We're all too into this, me AND you. Let's calm our tits, share a brew, and stop this strange and awful queue, to screw the debate (yes, I said it, boo) from qaqa's mind (which I will rue) and make sure he won't have to sue. He just gave stuff a bad review.

I'm done. Phew. Now, let's stop this zoo and we'll make it through. Writers really are the glue which makes this place a fun venue. We know it, and hopefully now you do too.

And with that, I bid you adieu.

EDIT: Is it still in bad taste to say the word "Jew"?

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SolDL wrote:
Quote:
Honestly, agreed nearly every step of the way (I have issues with snarky jokes in discussions, but hey, it's just me).


I snark, yes, okay, I do. Just chill, it wasn't all at you. So don't feel blue! I knew I snarked (because I do), but even though it may be through this snarking at a certain few, all I say seems right and true (especially in points 1 and 2). I don't intend to stage a coup, I just have a small issue with the rod stuck up a certain wazoo. (I won't say who.) We're all too into this, me AND you. Let's calm our tits, share a brew, and stop this strange and awful queue, to screw the debate (yes, I said it, boo) from qaqa's mind (which I will rue) and make sure he won't have to sue. He just gave stuff a bad review.

I'm done. Phew. Now, let's stop this zoo and we'll make it through. Writers really are the glue which makes this place a fun venue. We know it, and hopefully now you do too.

And with that, I bid you adieu.

EDIT: Is it still in bad taste to say the word "Jew"?

I think this is my favorite post anywhere ever.

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SolDL wrote:
Quote:
Honestly, agreed nearly every step of the way (I have issues with snarky jokes in discussions, but hey, it's just me).


I snark, yes, okay, I do. Just chill, it wasn't all at you. So don't feel blue! I knew I snarked (because I do), but even though it may be through this snarking at a certain few, all I say seems right and true (especially in points 1 and 2). I don't intend to stage a coup, I just have a small issue with the rod stuck up a certain wazoo. (I won't say who.) We're all too into this, me AND you. Let's calm our tits, share a brew, and stop this strange and awful queue, to screw the debate (yes, I said it, boo) from qaqa's mind (which I will rue) and make sure he won't have to sue. He just gave stuff a bad review.

I'm done. Phew. Now, let's stop this zoo and we'll make it through. Writers really are the glue which makes this place a fun venue. We know it, and hopefully now you do too.

And with that, I bid you adieu.

EDIT: Is it still in bad taste to say the word "Jew"?


Never before have I seen a post of such beauty.
In exchange for granting me the gift of witnessing it, I give you my soul.
It will be sent to you in a jar.
Please try not to drop it.

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You think that's good, you should hear my opinions on green eggs and ham.

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DaLadybugMan wrote:
Just a quick note regarding this: most of the people on the Slender Nation are also involved in a creator community and share opinions among themselves in a skype chat as opposed to on a forum. This may also be where the lack of discussion in terms of blogs comes from, to an extent. There are 50+ bloggers in that community. There are around 10 vloggers. The people who want to discuss blogs ARE discussing blogs...among themselves. Come to think of it, that may be part of the problem.

Yes, that does sound like a problem. I almost don't want to say this because I respect a lot of the creators for providing free entertainment, but I think the creator community might not be a boon to the Slenderverse. I read somewhere already (not sure if it was a creator or a critic) that the audience for the blogs is no longer fans, but creators. And I've been told by a creator that this forum and these fans are no longer useful because they have each other now, and can just tell each other about new finds. I really have little evidence, and I'm sure this will be met with nothing but disagreement, but I just had to say it.
I now return you to your scheduled storytime with Delta Seuss.

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I appreciate SolDL's spirited support and ridiculous free verse.

I am with Lewa, though - as I said before, when we're writing for nothing but each other it becomes a closed loop of just repeated feedback. I know what that's like because I've been there before and done that myself with something very similar. I just don't think that model works. At least, not if you're looking to expand an audience again and have others view and appreciate your work. If that's not a concern, then it isn't an issue.

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Also: Trend - set.

SolDL/Delta denies responsibility. And no, it was not me. Which means it was one of you delightful fuckers.

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qaqa wrote:
Also: Trend - set.

SolDL/Delta denies responsibility. And no, it was not me. Which means it was one of you delightful fuckers.


Dammit, I wanted to be the one to make that blog! Mad

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