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The Kempest
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 		Rewatching 26... To keep post number down, I'll just edit in my thoughts here.
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Oh wow, I never saw that shot. Doing a side-by-side, Amy looks to be of similar build as Hoody (at least, as far as I can tell through a damn hoody). Screens incoming.
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Edit AGAIN: Just gonna post the screen separate.

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Excellent entry! First time we've got some actual dialogue in awhile. Also, it's nice that they made the story progress some.

Where do people here them mention Amy's name? I don't here then actually say it.

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 		who cares about keeping the post number down? why is this board so meticulous with not making new topics and keeping posts to a minimum?

if blasky or tta are newly introduced characters i'll probably feel cheated

i really hope MH isn't ending this season, i wish troy/joe would confirm it already

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 		So I think it's pretty safe to say (based on the other posts on here and viewing the video in HD 3 times) that the figure by the tree is our good friend Captain Hoody, so I think it's pretty safe to say that Alex is not Hoody.

Personally I don't think this is enough evidence to indicate that Jay is not Hoody, I personally don't think Jay is Hoody, but there is nothing in this video that requires that the two not be the same person as they is no video that shows them in the same location and there is a large gap in time between when Alex sees Hoody at the beginning of the video and when he finally runs into Jay at the end of the video.

Things that have been mentioned that I think deserve more fleshing out:
Alex's window. It's definitely down when he leaves his car. It is definitely up when he returns.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Yes this might not be anything, but Troy hasn't posted anything about it yet and he is generally pretty good about correcting or noting things that are errors. The Spongebob incident for example.


Then there's the supposed Hoody in his backseat. I'm really not sure about this one. All I get is that there is something (likely a piece of clothing) that is of a similar color to Hoody's hoody. If the window is not an accident I think this may speak loads about what may have happened. Hoody is definitely missing by this point and could have quite easily placed his hoody in the backseat of Alex's car.

Why might Hoody want to do this becomes a major question. My thoughts on this are as follows. In Entry 41 Hoody takes the camera back to Jay's car. Hoody even carefully sets the camera down so that it looks out the front window. Hoody then walks right in front of the car and looks right at the camera. There is no reason for Hoody to walk in front of the car and look at a camera known to be recording unless Hoody wants to be seen, but why? Why does Hoody want Jay to have physical evidence of what Hoody looks like?

Then whatever time passes between Entry 41 and Entry 42. The next time Hoody appears is when Hoody is sitting under the tree at the beginning of Entry 42. A tree right next to the parking lot and in clear view of said parking lot. To me this indicates that Hoody was waiting for something. I would say that Hoody was waiting for Alex because by the time Alex returns to his car, Hoody has disappeared.

It is only after Hoody has disappeared that we see the offending object in Alex's backseat that looks like the hoody. Let's say, for the sake of argument, it is Hoody's hoody. And let's say, again for the sake of argument, that the window changing was intentional. Then what has happened is that Hoody waited for Alex to arrive, was lucky that Alex's window was down and placed the Hoody in Alex's car. Another possibility is that the window would not have mattered. We have no idea from Entry 40 whether Jay locked his car or not, so it's always possible that Hoody can simply open locked doors (remember that doors have proven themselves to be in league with the Operator in the past. Those sneaky doors.)

My argument, given this theory for how events came to pass, is that Hoody wants Jay to charge the video recorder back up and see this video. See Hoody. Then what if Jay notices that Alex has that Hoody. This would sew seeds of distrust between Jay and Alex (something TTA has already been trying to do).

So personally I think that it is possible that Hoody was trying to set Alex up and break up the alliance between Jay and Alex. That's just my thoughts on what could be indicated by this entry.

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Afrotunafish wrote:
(long time lurker, first time poster, here!)
Excellent entry! First time we've got some actual dialogue in awhile. Also, it's nice that they made the story progress some.

Where do people here them mention Amy's name? I don't here then actually say it.


during their discussion near the cars, it's very clear

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shadowstalker wrote:
just a few observations i wanted to throw out:

1. As said before, the primary action of this entry, in my opinion, is to show that Alex is not Blasky. Sure, he could have theoretically done what was done in 41, but why? Occam's razor on that one, really.

2. Chekhov's gun. They showed the guy (or girl, I'm looking at you Jess) pretty blatantly. Since they've followed this trope the whole series, I think its safe to say that UnderTheTree is important. Likewise, if the "hoodie" in the backseat was important, we would blatantly see it. This doesn't rule out Alex (which I personally don't believe, but cannot disprove at this point) as Hoody, but it can't prove him either.

Okay, now for my theories.

After rewatching 29, it really does seem very similar. Admittedly, I'm from a city, so any forest looks similar to me. The setting, and filming style, seem the same. Considering the Operator was in that park anyway, this is fully possible. This actually DOES support the Alex as blasky theory. That very well might be Jay's camera in his hand, explaining how he got the footage. Then again, since this was in the safe (correct me if I'm wrong), Alex would definitely have had to be in the hotel with Jay. Which means they both probably know Jessica, which means she is related to the story strongly. Its a lot, but it seems fairly logical (feel free to tear it to shreds if I'm wrong.

Finally, in regards to "He lies" from TTA. I'm sorry, but I think he was referring to Jay with this. Jay didn't seem too shaken up about the whole incident. I mean we all know he has the intelligence of a used condom, but even an earthworm knows when its in danger. After being on the run for months, Jay really should know better. Therefore, I think Jay is lying about something. Something big, which I think will be revealed before the end of the season. A lot of things don't mesh well with his story, and TTA has said multiple times that Jay can't be trusted. Jay seems too collected, and too focused with getting home and not helping Alex. Perhaps he has some secret business to take care of that he doesn't let Alex, or us, know about. I just think this aspect is an important one to watch out for in the near future.

Sorry for the wall of text. Rough work week, I needed to blow some steam off.


I think I agree with all of this, though I strongly, strongly dislike the idea of Jay as such an unreliable narrator that all we see is unreliable. (It makes for an intriguing story, though, not gonna lie.)

Cuts for space in the quote below.

Psychpants wrote:
So I think it's pretty safe to say (based on the other posts on here and viewing the video in HD 3 times) that the figure by the tree is our good friend Captain Hoody, so I think it's pretty safe to say that Alex is not Hoody.

Things that have been mentioned that I think deserve more fleshing out:
Alex's window. It's definitely down when he leaves his car. It is definitely up when he returns.

Then there's the supposed Hoody in his backseat. I'm really not sure about this one. All I get is that there is something (likely a piece of clothing) that is of a similar color to Hoody's hoody. If the window is not an accident I think this may speak loads about what may have happened. Hoody is definitely missing by this point and could have quite easily placed his hoody in the backseat of Alex's car.

Why might Hoody want to do this becomes a major question. My thoughts on this are as follows. In Entry 41 Hoody takes the camera back to Jay's car. Hoody even carefully sets the camera down so that it looks out the front window. Hoody then walks right in front of the car and looks right at the camera. There is no reason for Hoody to walk in front of the car and look at a camera known to be recording unless Hoody wants to be seen, but why? Why does Hoody want Jay to have physical evidence of what Hoody looks like?

It is only after Hoody has disappeared that we see the offending object in Alex's backseat that looks like the hoody. Let's say, for the sake of argument, it is Hoody's hoody.

My argument, given this theory for how events came to pass, is that Hoody wants Jay to charge the video recorder back up and see this video. See Hoody. Then what if Jay notices that Alex has that Hoody. This would sew seeds of distrust between Jay and Alex (something TTA has already been trying to do).

So personally I think that it is possible that Hoody was trying to set Alex up and break up the alliance between Jay and Alex. That's just my thoughts on what could be indicated by this entry.


I think it's possible that Blaski could have put his hoodie in Alex's car, but quite honestly, I don't see it as a hoodie. It looks more like a blanket to me, the thing that Alex has.

I also really don't buy the theory that it's close to the time that Jay gets to the hotel and forgets everything. If that's the case, we're missing quite a bit, because there has to be a reason for Jay to lose his memories (unless, of course, he's lying about not remembering anything), as well as for Alex to give him the chestcam and disappear, seeing as we never once see Alex in the hotel. Unless Jay engineered the entire hotel idea and thus lies about Alex not being there, we still have a lot to uncover before we meet Jessica.

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pravado wrote:
Afrotunafish wrote:
(long time lurker, first time poster, here!)
Excellent entry! First time we've got some actual dialogue in awhile. Also, it's nice that they made the story progress some.

Where do people here them mention Amy's name? I don't here then actually say it.


during their discussion near the cars, it's very clear
Oh, I hear it now. Don't see how I missed that.

This video seems to rule out Alex and Jay out for being Hoody. I still think Hoody is TTA, though. Not sure who TTA is, maybe an unseen character? Yeah, I'm sticking with that theory for now. Also, I agree that that's Hoody under the tree near the beginning.

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The more I stare at this, the less likely it seems. Amy seems to have a longer neck than the hoody implies, but by all means, speculate away. Very Happy

Edit: also, a girl who smiles like that can't possibly wear a frowny mask. Just sayin'.
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 		It may be nothing but why does Alex use a cam that stores with a flash drive instead of tapes like he used to? Like I said could be nothing or it could be significant .

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 		The kid sitting by the tree in the beginning is probably the same person who left the camera now acting casual to blend in guess this confirms it's not jay as well.

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MGDwreck wrote:
It may be nothing but why does Alex use a cam that stores with a flash drive instead of tapes like he used to? Like I said could be nothing or it could be significant .


Probably so it can use it to access and review on his computer better.

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MGDwreck wrote:
It may be nothing but why does Alex use a cam that stores with a flash drive instead of tapes like he used to? Like I said could be nothing or it could be significant .

Possibly less likely to be corrupted?

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The Kempest wrote:


The more I stare at this, the less likely it seems. Amy seems to have a longer neck than the hoody implies, but by all means, speculate away. Very Happy

Edit: also, a girl who smiles like that can't possibly wear a frowny mask. Just sayin'.


I think the neck thing is more likely to rule it out than breasts, because we don't quite get to see the breast-area of Blaski, and I'm pretty sure breasts aren't right below the opening of a hoodie. Perhaps I'm mistaken, though.

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Yuki wrote:
I think it's possible that Blaski could have put his hoodie in Alex's car, but quite honestly, I don't see it as a hoodie. It looks more like a blanket to me, the thing that Alex has.

I also really don't buy the theory that it's close to the time that Jay gets to the hotel and forgets everything. If that's the case, we're missing quite a bit, because there has to be a reason for Jay to lose his memories (unless, of course, he's lying about not remembering anything), as well as for Alex to give him the chestcam and disappear, seeing as we never once see Alex in the hotel. Unless Jay engineered the entire hotel idea and thus lies about Alex not being there, we still have a lot to uncover before we meet Jessica.


I don't entirely buy that it's a hoody either to be honest. I was kind of arguing from the perspective of saying: "What if we assume it is the hoody." I honestly don't think it is.

I agree that I don't think we're close to him losing his memory, but I think we are getting close to the hotel. I mean Jay woke up in a hotel near Rosswood Park in Entry 27 and Alex specifically says that he knows hotels in the area. It doesn't mean that we're close to the lost memory, but it does mean we may be seeing how the hotel comes into play as a base of operations and why the tapes were locked away in the safe.

I also posted about this a little in the Season 2 thread (as you saw and responded). I personally believe this season is setting up for a major fall regarding Alex and that we'll see Alex in the hotel but that the events that lead to Jay losing his memory (or the events that lead to Jay being an unreliable narrator) will directly involve why Alex is no longer present. Personally I think it's Alex's blood in Entry 29 (I agree Amy is a possibility, but given the dual-wielding cameras in said entry, I think it's Alex's) and that the dude is toast, but we won't know until we see it.

Side possibility (likely belongs in another thread):
What if Jay and Alex originally had the adjacent rooms and Jessica really is Hoody or TTA? This might make things make a little more sense as to why Jay and Jessica would be in rooms right next door to one another. Plus it gives a little more explanation for why the safe code to the safe in Jay's room is in Alex's room. Not sure though, there's still that whole Timasky attack there that makes things with the safe confusing.[/quote]

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Psychpants wrote:
So I think it's pretty safe to say (based on the other posts on here and viewing the video in HD 3 times) that the figure by the tree is our good friend Captain Hoody, so I think it's pretty safe to say that Alex is not Hoody.

Personally I don't think this is enough evidence to indicate that Jay is not Hoody, I personally don't think Jay is Hoody, but there is nothing in this video that requires that the two not be the same person as they is no video that shows them in the same location and there is a large gap in time between when Alex sees Hoody at the beginning of the video and when he finally runs into Jay at the end of the video.

Things that have been mentioned that I think deserve more fleshing out:
Alex's window. It's definitely down when he leaves his car. It is definitely up when he returns.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Yes this might not be anything, but Troy hasn't posted anything about it yet and he is generally pretty good about correcting or noting things that are errors. The Spongebob incident for example.


Then there's the supposed Hoody in his backseat. I'm really not sure about this one. All I get is that there is something (likely a piece of clothing) that is of a similar color to Hoody's hoody. If the window is not an accident I think this may speak loads about what may have happened. Hoody is definitely missing by this point and could have quite easily placed his hoody in the backseat of Alex's car.

Why might Hoody want to do this becomes a major question. My thoughts on this are as follows. In Entry 41 Hoody takes the camera back to Jay's car. Hoody even carefully sets the camera down so that it looks out the front window. Hoody then walks right in front of the car and looks right at the camera. There is no reason for Hoody to walk in front of the car and look at a camera known to be recording unless Hoody wants to be seen, but why? Why does Hoody want Jay to have physical evidence of what Hoody looks like?

Then whatever time passes between Entry 41 and Entry 42. The next time Hoody appears is when Hoody is sitting under the tree at the beginning of Entry 42. A tree right next to the parking lot and in clear view of said parking lot. To me this indicates that Hoody was waiting for something. I would say that Hoody was waiting for Alex because by the time Alex returns to his car, Hoody has disappeared.

It is only after Hoody has disappeared that we see the offending object in Alex's backseat that looks like the hoody. Let's say, for the sake of argument, it is Hoody's hoody. And let's say, again for the sake of argument, that the window changing was intentional. Then what has happened is that Hoody waited for Alex to arrive, was lucky that Alex's window was down and placed the Hoody in Alex's car. Another possibility is that the window would not have mattered. We have no idea from Entry 40 whether Jay locked his car or not, so it's always possible that Hoody can simply open locked doors (remember that doors have proven themselves to be in league with the Operator in the past. Those sneaky doors.)

My argument, given this theory for how events came to pass, is that Hoody wants Jay to charge the video recorder back up and see this video. See Hoody. Then what if Jay notices that Alex has that Hoody. This would sew seeds of distrust between Jay and Alex (something TTA has already been trying to do).

So personally I think that it is possible that Hoody was trying to set Alex up and break up the alliance between Jay and Alex. That's just my thoughts on what could be indicated by this entry.



you make a very good point. i feel like it's either there to mess with us or for this exact reason. joe could have cleaned out his car before filming the scene. it's kind of a weird colored hoodie for a guy to have. jay would have to be an idiot to think it's alex though when clearly the tapes show otherwise.

lol at the comment regarding jay being as dumb as a used condom. made me lol

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