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Caelistis
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ectobandit wrote:
Tao wrote:
Ol'Slendy wrote:
We saw that It MAY have been hoodie sitting by the tree in the begining of the video right? Well, What if HE ALREADY HAD JAY'S CAMERA? I know he "technically" hadn't dropped it yet, but with teleportation/time travel, Hoodie could have gotten it and taken it to Jay's car. It SORTA makes sense. Jay was frikkin running, and from what we could see from the last entry, Hoodie was WALKING. Taking his time. Time travel, makes sense.


Any thoughts guys?


Or! Or!... and just hear me out on this...

Maybe Hoody... is familiar with the area, and didn't get lost/sit down and talk to a friend for a few minutes while he was on his way out.

What I'm saying is that there's not really anything to substantiate that theory other than the fact that Hoody made it there pretty quickly. What we can say for sure is that Hoody placed the camera in Jay's car mere moments before Alex got there, and had made it through the woods before Jay managed to find his way out.

Teleportation? So far, I think we should keep the supernatural to the supernatural. Only Slendy has been associated with teleportation and in my opinion even that theory is pretty thin.


Don't forget, though, there was that one entry where Jay left his room and did not show up on ANY of the cameras he'd set up around his house for a few hours. Just a thought.

Other than that, though, I agree with you. Jay said he wasn't familiar with the area, and he actually straight up said he got lost. Not to mention he was obviously panicked. He probably took way longer than was necessary to get back to the car, simply because he didn't know the way.


Is there a possibility at all that Jay was getting teleported by Slendy? If Slendy was chasing him, it could be something that he uses for disorientation. It could also explain why he took so much longer to get anywhere near being out of the woods.

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The talk with Alex happened after Hoody returned the camera. Since Hoody planted the camera before Alex was even there, the main thing I see as an indicator Hoody can move fast/teleport is how sure he is he will be at the car before Jay.


Yeah, and I'm aware of that, I think I made that pretty clear when I said...

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What we can say for sure is that Hoody placed the camera in Jay's car mere moments before Alex got there, and had made it through the woods before Jay managed to find his way out.


So... yeah. I'm aware of that, and I still don't think he "teleported". How do you like them apples?

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Caelistis wrote:
Is there a possibility at all that Jay was getting teleported by Slendy? If Slendy was chasing him, it could be something that he uses for disorientation. It could also explain why he took so much longer to get anywhere near being out of the woods.


Have you ever been lost in the woods before? Not being able to find your way out is nearly as terrifying as being chased by a supernatural organ eating monster. God knows how long Jay was in there.

WE HAVE NO TIMELINE that says how long it was between Jay leaving that message for Alex and when Alex actually received it. Could have been ten minutes, could have been two hours, which would have given Hoody MORE than enough time to get out of the forest and place the camera in Jay's car before Jay and Alex came back to their vehicles.

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 		A lot of this is re-iteration of others' points, but here's the train of thought I had about the timeframes....


Entry 40: Jay encounters the Operator, drops his camera and runs. We'll take this moment as our fixed point, lets call it 'the encounter'. He has left Alex two voicemail messages - the first when he arrives, some time before the encounter, the second, a few minutes before the encounter.

Entry 41: 15 minutes after the encounter, Blasky picks up the camera. He ambles his way to the edge of the treeline, looks out at Jay's car. Alex's car is (I'm pretty sure) not by it. Say it's a 15 - 20 minute walk to the car - Blasky returns the camera at least half an hour after the encounter; seemingly, however, before Alex arrives.

Entry 42: Alex arrives. He listens to Jay's second voicemail message - impossible to tell from this how long after it was sent. He walks down to the edge of the trees, tries to phone Jay, gets the voicemail. He wanders in, meets Jay running.


These don't really add up: If Alex didn't arrive til after the return of the camera, then took maybe 10 minutes to reach the place where he meets Jay (hard to tell with the cuts) then the encounter happened at least 45 minutes ago. How fit are we expecting Jay to be? The pace he's running, I could keep up for a few minutes. Perhaps longer given the adreneline, but not that long. He certainly could have got lost, but are we expecting him to have run around the forest in circles screaming for the better part of an hour?

Several people have suggested Blasky might have had some teleportation abilities to get the camera back quickly - but I'm less convinced. We know Jay has had chunks of time disappear before. What about entry 23, where we see him run from one room to another, and seemingly lose most of the day? It isn't unfeasable that Jay thinks he ran straight from the Operator to the edge, but with a big, tranced gap in the middle. If this is the case, then Blasky must have known it would happen to be so relaxed about returning the camera. That however, is where I run out of theories.


An unrelated point - the shots we see from Alex's chestcam as he's walking back after seeing Jay seem... odd. There's that shot that looks a lot like noentry, but it doesn't quite seem to fit in between the area where he meets Jay and the edge of the trees.

Blah, I'll stop typing. I had another thought but I think it needs screenshots. Another post for later.

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Tao wrote:
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The talk with Alex happened after Hoody returned the camera. Since Hoody planted the camera before Alex was even there, the main thing I see as an indicator Hoody can move fast/teleport is how sure he is he will be at the car before Jay.


Yeah, and I'm aware of that, I think I made that pretty clear when I said...

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What we can say for sure is that Hoody placed the camera in Jay's car mere moments before Alex got there, and had made it through the woods before Jay managed to find his way out.


So... yeah. I'm aware of that, and I still don't think he "teleported". How do you like them apples?


Bit sour for my taste Sad

Sorry just was under the impression because you said: "Maybe Hoody... is familiar with the area, and didn't get lost/sit down and talk to a friend for a few minutes while he was on his way out. "

If you don't believe it then don't, but tell me. Why did Hoody faf about so much in the woods before making his way to the car? How did he know he would get there to put the camera back before Jay arrived? Even if he knew the place pretty well there was always the off chance that Jay would make it out before him since he was running while he was just casually walking and making stops to look at the water.

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NewInTown2 wrote:
Tao wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

The talk with Alex happened after Hoody returned the camera. Since Hoody planted the camera before Alex was even there, the main thing I see as an indicator Hoody can move fast/teleport is how sure he is he will be at the car before Jay.


Yeah, and I'm aware of that, I think I made that pretty clear when I said...

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What we can say for sure is that Hoody placed the camera in Jay's car mere moments before Alex got there, and had made it through the woods before Jay managed to find his way out.


So... yeah. I'm aware of that, and I still don't think he "teleported". How do you like them apples?


Bit sour for my taste Sad


Sorry... I don't usually snip at people. Please let me further explain my idea.

NewInTown2 wrote:
If you don't believe it then don't, but tell me. Why did Hoody faf about so much in the woods before making his way to the car? How did he know he would be there to get the camera back before Jay arrived? Even if he knew the place pretty well there always was the off chance that Jay would make it out before him since he was running while Hoody was looking at the water/casually walking.


Alright, we know from entry 40 that Jay called Alex to let him know that he was going for an (ill-advised) walk in the woods. We know that he walked around the woods a little bit and stumbled upon the chimneys, had tea with Mr. S, and then took off running in the woods. Then in Entry 42, Alex shows up.

We have NO IDEA how much time has passed. Could have been a matter of minutes, could have been a couple hours. Do I think it was that long? No... I think maybe max, 20 minutes. I think that would have been enough time for Hoody to casually meander his/her way around the woods he/she knows well, while Jay ran around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to find his way out again.

That's my theory, you have yours. I think that no matter how illogical the subject matter is (crazy supernatural thing without a face), we have to try our best to be logical as possible with our predictions. To me, teleportation leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But hey, that's just me.

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NewInTown2 wrote:
Tao wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

The talk with Alex happened after Hoody returned the camera. Since Hoody planted the camera before Alex was even there, the main thing I see as an indicator Hoody can move fast/teleport is how sure he is he will be at the car before Jay.


Yeah, and I'm aware of that, I think I made that pretty clear when I said...

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What we can say for sure is that Hoody placed the camera in Jay's car mere moments before Alex got there, and had made it through the woods before Jay managed to find his way out.


So... yeah. I'm aware of that, and I still don't think he "teleported". How do you like them apples?


Bit sour for my taste Sad

Sorry just was under the impression because you said: "Maybe Hoody... is familiar with the area, and didn't get lost/sit down and talk to a friend for a few minutes while he was on his way out. "

If you don't believe it then don't, but tell me. Why did Hoody faf about so much in the woods before making his way to the car? How did he know he would get there to put the camera back before Jay arrived? Even if he knew the place pretty well there was always the off chance that Jay would make it out before him since he was running while he was just casually walking and making stops to look at the water.


I think that if Jay got out first, then Hoody would have left his camera somewhere else. Or started filming Jay, just to mock the fact that Hoody had his camera. I don't think that Hoody necessarily /planned/ on being out before Jay.

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 		Sorry for double post:

In 41 Jay says that 15 minutes of nothing passes before picture returns.

Why does the missing 15 minutes have to be 15 minutes of real time? Couldn't #41 take place 3 minutes after #40? Theres no indication that 15 minutes of events took place in between.

(Not saying that's what I believe happened, since some people have a hard time seeing the difference between simply bringing things up and preaching.)

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Susil wrote:
If Alex didn't arrive til after the return of the camera, then took maybe 10 minutes to reach the place where he meets Jay (hard to tell with the cuts) then the encounter happened at least 45 minutes ago. How fit are we expecting Jay to be? The pace he's running, I could keep up for a few minutes. Perhaps longer given the adreneline, but not that long. He certainly could have got lost, but are we expecting him to have run around the forest in circles screaming for the better part of an hour?

Several people have suggested Blasky might have had some teleportation abilities to get the camera back quickly - but I'm less convinced. We know Jay has had chunks of time disappear before. What about entry 23, where we see him run from one room to another, and seemingly lose most of the day? It isn't unfeasable that Jay thinks he ran straight from the Operator to the edge, but with a big, tranced gap in the middle. If this is the case, then Blasky must have known it would happen to be so relaxed about returning the camera. That however, is where I run out of theories.


The only explanation that I could possibly think for this (without using time travel or teleporting) is that Jay, indeed, got very lost. Hoody/Blasky is most likely pretty familiar with the area, and that is why he felt so confident with walking back to Jay's car while filming random stuff (water, the sky, etc.) Hoody has probably analyzed and memorized the trails, so it wasn't difficult for him to get back before Jay. I'm guessing that he knew that Jay was not familiar with the woods, also. (as Jay and Alex discuss later.)

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dinosauring wrote:
Sorry for double post:

In 41 Jay says that 15 minutes of nothing passes before picture returns.

Why does the missing 15 minutes have to be 15 minutes of real time? Couldn't #41 take place 3 minutes after #40? Theres no indication that 15 minutes of events took place in between.

(Not saying that's what I believe happened, since some people have a hard time seeing the difference between simply bringing things up and preaching.)


Wow, that's actually a very nice observation. I never thought of that. If there actually wasn't 15 minutes of real time going on, that would definitely
help out in trying to figure out how hoody arrived at Jay's car so quickly.

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 		Just rewatched the entry again and got some food for thought:

At the start, Jay indicates that Entry 42 begins at the same time as 41... Does he means around the same moment, or at the exact same moment? This would make things even more complicated Razz

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dinosauring wrote:
Sorry for double post:

In 41 Jay says that 15 minutes of nothing passes before picture returns.

Why does the missing 15 minutes have to be 15 minutes of real time? Couldn't #41 take place 3 minutes after #40? Theres no indication that 15 minutes of events took place in between.

(Not saying that's what I believe happened, since some people have a hard time seeing the difference between simply bringing things up and preaching.)


Yeah, that's a good point, though. Jay says there's fifteen minutes of nothing before the picture comes back. They've had time glitches on tapes before. This may be another instance of that. 15 of tape time is not equal to 15 minutes of real world time? I dunno... it's plausible.

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At the start, Jay indicates that Entry 42 begins at the same time as 41... Does he means around the same day, or at the exact same moment? This would make things even more complicated


@_@ I know right? *busts out the calculator*

Since Jay isn't specific, I'm going to go with my gut and say that it's around the same time that the videos took place.

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 		All these theories of teleportation and time travel are really getting on my nerves. Why can't there just be a simple reasoning behind it?

Jay sees the operator, drops his camera, and takes off running in a random direction into the woods. The operator goes after him. Hoody sees that the operator leaves so he walks out and grabs the camera. He then leisurely walks back to the parking lot (following the water as maybe an operator deterrent) because he knows the direct route back and places the camera in Jay's car before Alex even shows up. He then takes a seat under the tree, waiting for Jay to come back, and Alex pulls up. Meanwhile, Jay is still running in random directions through the woods in panic mode (still being chased by the operator or not). Alex goes into the woods, runs into Jay and they walk back to their cars. Jay finds the camera in his car, but by then Hoody is gone.

I don't see why there is any need to complicate things further...

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NewInTown2 wrote:
Just rewatched the entry again and got some food for thought:

At the start, Jay indicates that Entry 42 begins at the same time as 41... Does he means the same day, or at the exact same moment? This would make things even more complicated Razz


Very nice observation. I think he must mean the same time, as in, same hour and minute. Otherwise, why would he need to look at the date and tell us that. It's not /very/ hard to deduce that the two videos are on the same day.

But then where's Alex's car in 41?
Gahh. I don't know.

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All these theories of teleportation and time travel are really getting on my nerves. Why can't there just be a simple reasoning behind it?


I wasn't talking about time travel, I was talking about the video messing up.

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 		I wasn't referring to you directly. Sorry if it seemed like it

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I wasn't referring to you directly. Sorry if it seemed like it


I wasn't sure, haha. It's just how close it was to my post about the tape made me uneasy. I've been misunderstood a number of times on here.

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dinosauring wrote:

I wasn't sure, haha. It's just how close it was to my post about the tape made me uneasy. I've been misunderstood a number of times on here.


Yeah, I just got done reading the 19 pages of theories and I finally got a post in.

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