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Psh... TL;DR

Ha! kidding. Dude, are you serious? This all sounds so painfully amazing i feel like you could get in trouble for plagiarizing. Everything seems like it fits really well.

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.... thanks, Crazy Viking? For the record, I'm taken...

But as I said, nothing in that WOT on the bottom of the last page is in any way confirmed. As many old-timers around here know, I throw large, ridiculous theories out all the time, and most seem fairly coherent, even if they're actually terrible. For example, I made one not long ago that Tim was another supernatural entity that was more evil than slenderman. It's fun.

But the biggest thing that I want taken away from that theory from last page was this:

There is a possibility, however remote, that The reason Masky shows up in both Warning and Entry ###### is that Masky forcibly invaded and posted videos on both channels, and that neither of them were ever originally run by Tim.
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Yes! Brian = TTA all the way! Very Happy

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I would like to at this point mention that my post would work equally well replacing each instance of Brian with Seth. Seth also had a major, deleterious effect caused on him by the Operator, Seth also worked on the crew of MH, and so on.

I just happen to favor Brian ever so slightly because you can see in #8 that he likes Alex's writing as much as I do. That is to say, not at all. Laughing
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they've confirmed seth to not be a major character

also your theory doesn't work because some of the TTA videos are taunting jay, not giving him clues. such as the one where he's being filmed having a coughing fit / return.

on top of that, amy went missing after entry 26, alex escaped with her. entry 37 wasn't to show that the operator had been following alex since childhood (he was clearly edited in during the blowout of the candles, he appears right over someones body), just to show that whoever hacked the account had access to alex's baby tapes and tried to creep them out

i did enjoy the part about brian being TTA giving jay clues to help him end this, but again, too many TTA videos are taunting jay for that to be possible. annd i dont' think they're going to make tim out to be some mastermind. in entry 35 he actually runs right past jay and goes for alex.

alex and tim have had interactions during the 3 year period that we haven't seen, alex knows something about tim.

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Haven't read the entire thread yet, but just wanted to chime in, trout me/whatever if this has already been posted (well, the second point, as the first is just a joke/reference, and therefore nothing important - I think).

MutantEnemy wrote:
In both entries, he's unnerved by a camera instead. Does it seem like he thinks that The Operator is not as dangerous as tapes of him are?


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sometime during the meetup alex switched to the chestcam (seen by alex's two hands being shown near the end)


No he didn't, he was filming on the chest-cam from the moment he got out of the car (the jostling of the camera was him getting it situated/strapped on).
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We might not understand the videos the way they were intended. They certainly seem like taunting, but who knows.

And why does Tim running past Jay mean he's not smart? Who EVER implied that Jay was the main target? In my theory I specifically state that Tim might want Alex dead, but doesn't necessarily care one way or another about Jay. To be frank- Tim might not give a rat's ass about Jay, and wants Alex dead.

Also, yes, Alex and Amy went off the map at the same time, but the entry that this thread is ABOUT implies that Amy went missing, and that Alex is looking for her (though there is a possibility that there's another "her" they're talking about).

And the theory doesn't require that Alex had been slenderstalked since childhood, though I had gotten the impression that he was. Clearly I didn't analyze that particular entry well enough. Though I do think there was an intention with that entry to convey that Alex had been stalked since childhood, I don't know exactly how to defend it, it's essentially a hunch.

And this is not an attack, but I've heard it said over and over again, but I've never gotten any documentation-

OOG:
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WHERE has Troy said that Seth wasn't a major character? People cite it like fact, but I've never seen the original statement by Troy, and I follow Troy's blog, I'm subscribed to his youtube (and watched the videos therein), and I follow him on twitter. It's hard for me to believe this.

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New Observations

After having read through this thread I have some points to contribute that I have not yet seen:

On Alex's irritation:

Alex knew the woods are dangerous and Jay did not: The abandoned house is Jay's first contact with Alex and thus entry 38 is after Alex and Jay start working together, going with the assumption that the tapes are from the last 7months. Because in entry 38 Alex mentions a story from when he first moved there as a kid, he had prior knowledge of the park. It may be a different woods, but rosewood is the only place Jay found near his hotel, so it is likely the same place given the tapes are from the last 7 months.

On the timeline:

There is solid evidence for Jay being simply lost in the woods and taking a long time to get out. Leaving plenty of time for Blasky to get to the car before Alex arrives.

- Jay clearly has bad spatial reasoning: Jay tells Alex in entry 40 that he is about 15-20min from the car and we can assume from context he was not originally considering sprinting. Jay later tells Alex in entry 42 that the clearing was about 2 miles into the forest. Given the context of the original time estimate Jay would have been walking and it takes significantly longer to walk two miles than 20min at the pace seen in entry 40. It doesn't matter whether his time or distance is wrong, he is inaccurate.

- Jay runs out of the clearing in the opposite direction from where he originally entered: In entry 41 it is very obvious. The camera is pointing in the direction Jay ran and then spun 180deg to see the stump he originally sat on.

- Jay admits to poor direction sense: even without the bejeezus scared out of him in entry 38 Jay claims to have no idea where Alex and him are after strolling through the woods.

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TheBioGuy wrote:
Alex catches the worst of it, because he's been stalked since childhood (potentially), Tim gets it the second hardest, because he's taking anti-seizure meds that keep his mind aware during pronounced Operator contact, whereas others black out and forget. Brian gets it next-worst, because he has some sort of prolonged contact that seems to cause him to blend in and out of people's memory. Jay is barely effected.


I don't think we can say exactly what sort of medication Tim was taking, although I do like the idea that it in some way amplified or warped the effect of The Operator on his mind. Although it is odd that Tim seems to be the only individual in the series that exhibits seizure-like activity, this could simply be a result of his prolonged exposure to The Operator's influence - he seems to have been crashing in Brian's house for some time (the Mattress Closet, the presence of what seem to be Tim's pills, the general disarray of the home). As for Brian, it seems obvious from the state of his house and the impossible bending of time and space we saw there that his home is some sort of focal point for The Operator's influence - even moreso, it seems, than Alex himself, as we have seen no instances of time-space fluctuations with Alex as the subject (whereas Brian's home seems to have it's foundation squarely in the House of Leaves/HP Lovecraft eldritch nightmare style of architecture).

If prolonged exposure to The Operator's influence drove Tim to become Masky (with all the burning passion to stab Alex that this implies) it doesn't seem far-fetched to imagine that the effect on Brian's mind might not have been just as profound, resulting in totheark and his protective/supportive fixation on Jay. Perhaps after seeing the path Tim's mind was traveling, Brian wisely decided to continue his participation in a less direct manner, leading to the creation of totheark and his cryptic messages to our intrepid narrator?

All of this is only speculation on my part, naturally. Although there is little concrete evidence for any of the potential totheark/Hoody candidates, the relationship between Tim and Brian (neighbours who were good friends well before Marble Hornets) leads me to believe that, with Tim in the state that we currently find him, there must be some part that Brian has to play in all of this.

EDIT: I also agree that, while enttry #37 is not meant to provide direct evidence of The Operator creeping about in Alex's childhood, it /is/ at the very least meant to show that totheark believes that The Operator's interest in Alex extends back farther into the past than Marble Hornets.

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TheBioGuy wrote:

OOG:
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WHERE has Troy said that Seth wasn't a major character? People cite it like fact, but I've never seen the original statement by Troy, and I follow Troy's blog, I'm subscribed to his youtube (and watched the videos therein), and I follow him on twitter. It's hard for me to believe this.


In the DVD commentary, it was said that Seth's actor was added in at the last second. People think that for some reason, this means he's vanished forever and can never come back.

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TheBioGuy wrote:

Also, yes, Alex and Amy went off the map at the same time, but the entry that this thread is ABOUT implies that Amy went missing, and that Alex is looking for her (though there is a possibility that there's another "her" they're talking about).


No, there's not. Alex asks Jay specifically where Amy is.

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1:31-1:32, is Alex waving or balancing himself?

Otherwise, Alex seems more agitated than angry. I get the vibe he's genuinely concerned for his friend's well being (and for his girlfriend), he doesn't seem so much NO! MY MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN FOILED! So much as "wait... never mind the fact that you went into strange woods aimlessly to begin with, but you went into strange woods while possibly being stalked by a supernatural entity and regardless of whether he's incapacitated, one mask wearing psychopath. On top of that you dropped your camera which probably contains valuable clues I could use, and at the very LEAST is going to cause some The Ring shit should any wandering hiker find it. In short, Jay, YOU. ARE. A. MORON. Be more careful kthxbai."

Also, the fact that Alex walked while Jay ran doesn't strike me as creepy in any way, I see it as more of proof of what we say in 26, that Alex has significantly calmed down and become more logical about the whole thing. In 26 he wasn't paranoid anymore, he told Amy to stand back and had an air of confidence, basically saying "Follow my lead, I got this." I think we're seeing the same calm, almost martial artist mind that his new personality has rather than any evidence of malicious intent.

I think Alex is really just tired of this whole thing and trying his best to reverse the Pandora's Box he opened for his friends and girlfriend, that or he's a damned good actor.

My only question now is whether or not he actually followed Jay's channel, I want to say no, because it would have been too risky, but I can't think of how else he would have been able to know that Jay had been hotel hopping without some seriously shady stuff (hacking his bank account and tracking his credit cards for instance). I suppose it's possible that he found the channel and figured it out in the intervening time between 25 and 26. But I'm still not certain how Alex was able to track the exact hotel he'd be at a couple weeks in the future without being psychic or having some sort of powers.

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Jsor wrote:
1:31-1:32, is Alex waving or balancing himself?

Otherwise, Alex seems more agitated than angry. I get the vibe he's genuinely concerned for his friend's well being (and for his girlfriend), he doesn't seem so much NO! MY MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN FOILED! So much as "wait... never mind the fact that you went into strange woods aimlessly to begin with, but you went into strange woods while possibly being stalked by a supernatural entity and regardless of whether he's incapacitated, one mask wearing psychopath. On top of that you dropped your camera which probably contains valuable clues I could use, and at the very LEAST is going to cause some The Ring shit should any wandering hiker find it. In short, Jay, YOU. ARE. A. MORON. Be more careful kthxbai."

Also, the fact that Alex walked while Jay ran doesn't strike me as creepy in any way, I see it as more of proof of what we say in 26, that Alex has significantly calmed down and become more logical about the whole thing. In 26 he wasn't paranoid anymore, he told Amy to stand back and had an air of confidence, basically saying "Follow my lead, I got this." I think we're seeing the same calm, almost martial artist mind that his new personality has rather than any evidence of malicious intent.

I think Alex is really just tired of this whole thing and trying his best to reverse the Pandora's Box he opened for his friends and girlfriend, that or he's a damned good actor.

My only question now is whether or not he actually followed Jay's channel, I want to say no, because it would have been too risky, but I can't think of how else he would have been able to know that Jay had been hotel hopping without some seriously shady stuff (hacking his bank account and tracking his credit cards for instance). I suppose it's possible that he found the channel and figured it out in the intervening time between 25 and 26. But I'm still not certain how Alex was able to track the exact hotel he'd be at a couple weeks in the future without being psychic or having some sort of powers.


Something that struck me while I was reading your comment. If Alex is so concerned about the camera and not scared of the Operator. Why doesn't he suggest to go back into the woods to find the camera? In stead he just let's the news of the camera/operator sink in and immediately says: "Okay let's go now."

Maybe, just maybe. Alex did see that the camera was returned when he checked out Jay's car. Hmm no he asked if Jay had the camera...
Ok let's try this again. Maybe, just maybe. Alex was quite certain a little hooded tree fairy would have already taken care of the camera.

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Just because Alex may have become more cool and collected when under pressure doesn't mean he's suddenly become fool enough to walk back into the woods that the Operator was just seen in. Alex is still scared, he's just able to master his fear and act rationally when it's necessary. I think him telling Jay that they were leaving while Jay was still in scared little kid mode is a good example of this.

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