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[SOLVESOLVESOLVE]Oct 8th PREPOSITION PUZZLE:usernameguy
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Phaedra
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pbrstreetgang wrote:
How about a great big longshot for my first post...

As I was playing around with the list, I counted up the letters in each one, then did the whole "1=A, 2=B, etc." thing. Absolute jibberish. But when I thought about the "Sounds Like" clue and looked at the letters, I had a thought.

What if "sounds like" refers to music? With the exception of 3 words (underneath, opposite, and throughout), all the corresponding letters are within a simple musical scale. Perhaps the 3 words that don't fit refer to rests or higher notes? Maybe if played it sounds like a song? You know, like Bach, or Chopin, or...I don't know...Billy Joel?

I realize this is REALLY reaching, but I figured I'd speak up and say something.


Welcome to the forum. What list of words are you looking at? (Trying to catch up on this thread.)

I was a performance major for two years, and I've got a piano handy, and my Name-That-Melody-IQ is pretty good, at least for classical music, but the list I'm looking at (on the Wiki) has tons of words beginning with T and O and W.

Theoretically, I suppose, one could set up something like this

A B C D E F G
H I J K L M N
O P Q R S T U
V W X Y Z

But that, of course, doesn't allow for accidentals or rests and seems to be a h...u...g...e stretch.
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tinkers_damn
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pbrstreetgang wrote:
How about a great big longshot for my first post...

As I was playing around with the list, I counted up the letters in each one, then did the whole "1=A, 2=B, etc." thing. Absolute jibberish. But when I thought about the "Sounds Like" clue and looked at the letters, I had a thought.

What if "sounds like" refers to music? With the exception of 3 words (underneath, opposite, and throughout), all the corresponding letters are within a simple musical scale. Perhaps the 3 words that don't fit refer to rests or higher notes? Maybe if played it sounds like a song? You know, like Bach, or Chopin, or...I don't know...Billy Joel?

I realize this is REALLY reaching, but I figured I'd speak up and say something.


Great first post! Here's an idea I had about touch tones.
Were you using the number of letters in each line or some other metric?

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=84654&highlight=#84654

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What list of words are you looking at? (Trying to catch up on this thread.)



The preposition list, actually. In order going from "Underneath" down to "Beyond", using the number of letters in each line (or word), then using the old "1=A, 2=B, etc" code, it looks like this:

J (Underneath)
G (Without)
D (Over)
F (Behind)
G (Against)
D (Into)
B (At)
E (Aside)
F (Inside)
B (In)
E (Below)
E (Above)
G (Beneath)
F (Beside)
E (After)
E (Under)
F (around)
D (onto)
F (across)
B (By)
G (Between)
E (among)
F (Toward)
G (through)
E (along)
G (outside)
B (on)
D (past)
C (off)
H (opposite)
G (within)
D (from)
E (about)
D (with)
D (amid)
B (to)
F (before)
E (round)
J (throughout)
D (near)
F (beyond)

Sorry about the length. I just hope it helps.

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Ralen
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Interesting.. except for the one H and two J's, all of those are notes of the musical scale, A-G. Might be nothing, but then it might also be something. :p

edit: Augh, I read the earlier post, but thought he was still talking about touch tones. Whoops.

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pbrstreetgang wrote:
How about a great big longshot for my first post...

As I was playing around with the list, I counted up the letters in each one, then did the whole "1=A, 2=B, etc." thing. Absolute jibberish. But when I thought about the "Sounds Like" clue and looked at the letters, I had a thought.

What if "sounds like" refers to music? With the exception of 3 words (underneath, opposite, and throughout), all the corresponding letters are within a simple musical scale. Perhaps the 3 words that don't fit refer to rests or higher notes? Maybe if played it sounds like a song? You know, like Bach, or Chopin, or...I don't know...Billy Joel?

I realize this is REALLY reaching, but I figured I'd speak up and say something.


Its been tried... lol. :p trust me, everything is reaching now...
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*sighs* I've been hacking away at this far too much for my own good.

I can't help but think that we're overlooking something. Either another clue - maybe in a different image, but I can't load any of the coded images off the site, so I can't check - or maybe that we're supposed to use some other clue again. The obvious one that springs to mind is the codewheel, and I've been toying around with that for a while.

I've also tried analyzing where the conversation goes between "pompous old washington son of a..." and "Well, this is my day." I can't figure out what the key phrase would be. Maybe the locational change is the key, but I can't make heads or tails of it. Sigh.

[[EDIT: Maybe what we should be looking at is what the list doesn't contain.]]

Thank heavens for firefox, too - I've set up a bookmarklet for the wav files, and it's working - or, it would be if I could only find the right one.

Worst case scenario: Not only is the solution intuitively obvious and we're overlooking it, but we need another audioclip after this one. Argh.

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Latest info about the bot:

Again, it's in the #ilb channel (not #ilovebees).

Once you're there, just say something like: wav hard_sound_rifle

You can check http://www.sntreport.com/botsorted.html for a list of everything that's been tried on the bot, broken down by word. This gets updated every 5 minutes. Don't forget to refresh your browser to pull down the latest copy.

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pbrstreetgang wrote:
In order going from "Underneath" down to "Beyond", using the number of letters in each line (or word), then using the old "1=A, 2=B, etc" code, it looks like this:

J (Underneath)
G (Without)
D (Over)
F (Behind)
G (Against)
D (Into)
...
(snip)
...
J (throughout)
D (near)
F (beyond)



Because this (kinda) looks like musical notation, I ran it through a composition program I have, and generated this midi file (that I had to ZIP in order to post it, as it seems .MID files are not allowed). The 'J' and 'H' notes I set as quarter rests, as there are no notes that coorespond to those.

It doesn't sound like anything to me, but maybe someone else with more musical experience will hear something.

BTW, if anyone has any other way to translate the list as musical notes of some kind, I can make a midi file so you can listen to it. Just email, PM or IM me.
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You know...that sounds way too musical to just be random notes...

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PBstreetgang, can you do the same thing, but just take the number of letters in each word, using 10 as either 0 or 10 (try both)? Then try it on a scale setting C to 0 or 1? I tried it on a piano, and it didn't sound totally random, but I didn't recognize it and had no way to save it. Confused

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http://www.name-this-tune.com/ This website lets you search for songs based on the melody. I tried the notes that produced the midi, but since the library it searches is mostly classical, most of the songs have technical designations rather than titles.

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Music

n00b wrote:
PBstreetgang, can you do the same thing, but just take the number of letters in each word, using 10 as either 0 or 10 (try both)? Then try it on a scale setting C to 0 or 1? I tried it on a piano, and it didn't sound totally random, but I didn't recognize it and had no way to save it. Confused


Yes! also try reversing the order of notes. Also an outside-in ordering has been suggested: 1 41 2 40 3 39 ... 21.

I would be trying these but I have a tin ear. Sad

Looking back at the original clues, the two lines of dashes might have been intended to suggest a musical staff. Actually there are 9 positions on the staff and we have word sizes 2 thru 10! Should we be using a Bass Clef or a Treble Cleff?

http://www.lessontutor.com/eesMusic1.html

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Ya know, all those notes (ABCDEFG) are on the C major scale and on the A minor scale, so i wouldn't be surprised if they sound harmonic. As for a rhythm, I don't quite hear one. Sounds random.

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What about for those 3 that are longer than 8 letters, just extended it to the next scale? like 9 is the same as 1 just a scale higher...

[edit] Also, what about starting with 1 as C instead of A in piano fingering (for beginners at least) you learn the C scale first so... i dunno

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Fivecentfamily, I think you may be on to something here. There is just one problem. The song ends on a long held "ti" note instead of "do" (as in do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, do). I'm not a note reading expert, but from taking years of chorus in school, I can say that hardly anything ever ends on "ti" since it sounds unfinished. I think If you could somehow rearrange the song to start after the rest about 15 seconds into the song, then we would hear what we're supposed to. If that's what we're supposed to be doing in the first place.

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