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[LOCKED] The Master Theorem, "Members-Only Society of Puzzle-Solvers"
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ne0x
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Red Dog wrote:
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That's...really bizarre. I'll have to take a look at that.

ETA: Yeah, I'm only seeing the one list here. Where did you find the second list with the different values?


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At the bottom of the page under "See Also," click "List of Colors". There's a nice, alphabetized list of colors--including Crayola names--with hex codes. But if you look at jungle green, for example, the hex code is different than if you click on the hypertext "jungle green," look to the right on the Jungle Green page, click on the "Crayola" link next to "Source," and then look up Jungle Green on THAT list. Funny, they cite the Crayola list as a source, and then GET THE CODE WRONG. Really???


I saw that one too, but it's a combination of several more well known lists. You can't trust everything you find on Wikipedia.
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Red Dog wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Red Dog wrote:
ne0x wrote:
Red Dog wrote:
Well then, can you help me, because I am totally stuck and feel like such a dork. I know what process to use to solve it--in fact, the hints did not help me at all because I already knew all that--I just CANNOT figure out what order the stupid crayons are supposed to be in! I've tried as many combinations as I can think of, ordering them based on all different sorts of logic, and am just getting nowhere. I know I am missing something obvious, but this is just one of those times where I can't seem to get out of my own way. Pleeeeeeeeease HELP?!


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They are in the correct order, but it's the direction you read them that's important.

I had trouble at first too, but then again, I lean towards a straight forward approach. Wink


Well, I finally got it, but it wasn't a result of this hint. For those who are stuck, key info in the spoiler below:

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There are TWO DIFFERENT COLOR LISTS that are linked to the main page the theorem sends you to, and the hex codes are DIFFERENT on three of the colors!! I was going crazy, because I knew I was doing it right, but I was not coming up with a usable code. I finally just keep clicking different links until I stumbled on a different Crayola list, and sure enough, two of my codes (jungle green and sky blue) were entirely different, and a third (lemon yellow) was three digits off. MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!!


That's...really bizarre. I'll have to take a look at that.

ETA: Yeah, I'm only seeing the one list here. Where did you find the second list with the different values?


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
At the bottom of the page under "See Also," click "List of Colors". There's a nice, alphabetized list of colors--including Crayola names--with hex codes. But if you look at jungle green, for example, the hex code is different than if you click on the hypertext "jungle green," look to the right on the Jungle Green page, click on the "Crayola" link next to "Source," and then look up Jungle Green on THAT list. Funny, they cite the Crayola list as a source, and then GET THE CODE WRONG. Really???


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Ah, but the "List of Crayola crayons", which is linked to in the first hint, has them all correct (and/or is what the puzzle was based on).

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Cougar Draven wrote:
Red Dog wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Red Dog wrote:
ne0x wrote:
Red Dog wrote:
Well then, can you help me, because I am totally stuck and feel like such a dork. I know what process to use to solve it--in fact, the hints did not help me at all because I already knew all that--I just CANNOT figure out what order the stupid crayons are supposed to be in! I've tried as many combinations as I can think of, ordering them based on all different sorts of logic, and am just getting nowhere. I know I am missing something obvious, but this is just one of those times where I can't seem to get out of my own way. Pleeeeeeeeease HELP?!


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
They are in the correct order, but it's the direction you read them that's important.

I had trouble at first too, but then again, I lean towards a straight forward approach. Wink


Well, I finally got it, but it wasn't a result of this hint. For those who are stuck, key info in the spoiler below:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
There are TWO DIFFERENT COLOR LISTS that are linked to the main page the theorem sends you to, and the hex codes are DIFFERENT on three of the colors!! I was going crazy, because I knew I was doing it right, but I was not coming up with a usable code. I finally just keep clicking different links until I stumbled on a different Crayola list, and sure enough, two of my codes (jungle green and sky blue) were entirely different, and a third (lemon yellow) was three digits off. MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!!


That's...really bizarre. I'll have to take a look at that.

ETA: Yeah, I'm only seeing the one list here. Where did you find the second list with the different values?


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
At the bottom of the page under "See Also," click "List of Colors". There's a nice, alphabetized list of colors--including Crayola names--with hex codes. But if you look at jungle green, for example, the hex code is different than if you click on the hypertext "jungle green," look to the right on the Jungle Green page, click on the "Crayola" link next to "Source," and then look up Jungle Green on THAT list. Funny, they cite the Crayola list as a source, and then GET THE CODE WRONG. Really???


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Ah, but the "List of Crayola crayons", which is linked to in the first hint, has them all correct (and/or is what the puzzle was based on).


Yes, but if you weren't using the hints--which I wasn't, initially--then...well anyway, it's done.

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 		Recursion
Okay, so I'm trying to

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use the letters as points in x,y. Do the steps make any sense? I mean, it's been hinted that they're a few steps before the final solution. Do these mid-steps form words?


EDIT: It seems I figured it out. I got mixed up the axes
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Why? Why isn't it infinite?

I tried "break", "while"... it must be right in front of me though


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Chronos wrote:
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Why? Why isn't it infinite?

I tried "break", "while"... it must be right in front of me though

Sorry, it's not; you'll have to do some digging.
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 		298 people are smarter than me... and counting
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 		Same here; I think I'm just missing some last step, since I seem to be getting gibberish. I tried anagrams too, so I'm not sure if I'm just missing something really obvious, or if my whole method is flawed.

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 		Alright, success... I guess sometimes it's good to take a break and give it a fresh look.
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 		One of the Ancient-est Crossword Puzzles Ever
Argh, i cannot wrap my head around the final answer for the sator square-alike theorem.
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I got the magic phrase and i understand that it should be used like a crossword question

but i just don't know the answer. and nothing
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palindromous

jumps to mind either. I feel like it might not even be a word/phrase that i know (being a foreign speaker)


Gahh.

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 		I'm a native American English (not Native American, but native American) speaker and it wasn't really a word I was familiar with. Sure, I knew the base word, but I've never heard it used in this context. I think I found it simply by googling the "crossword" clue.

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It's been a while since a theorem stumped me this hard. I think I've come to reasonable conclusions on each group, but I can't figure out what to do with the data.

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 		Re: Stay Puzzly, My Friends
UncleBeard wrote:
It's been a while since a theorem stumped me this hard. I think I've come to reasonable conclusions on each group, but I can't figure out what to do with the data.


Look for something that jumps out at you.

I admit, I had some problems with this one as well (didn't get it until almost a full hour after, and I needed all three hints), but to my credit, I picked up on the right idea almost immediately.
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i got 3 where i was sure, and then bruteforced the other 3. for anagramming, i googled up some scrabble engine, because english is not my native language, so anagrams are a major pain.


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 		Re: Stay Puzzly, My Friends
Cougar Draven wrote:
UncleBeard wrote:
It's been a while since a theorem stumped me this hard. I think I've come to reasonable conclusions on each group, but I can't figure out what to do with the data.


Look for something that jumps out at you.

I admit, I had some problems with this one as well (didn't get it until almost a full hour after, and I needed all three hints), but to my credit, I picked up on the right idea almost immediately.


I'm still totally flummoxed. All I can figure out is this:
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For group 2, I can see that either 1 or 3 has to be false; if 3 includes the time period when 2 exists, then 3 is false for certain 1 and 3 are mutually exclusive. For group 5, #2 is the most likely false, as if #2 in group 2 is true, then it's not likely (but still possible) that #2 in group five is false


But that's all I can say for certain. Everything else is dependent on one another, but I can't get it all down. Any ideas, people?

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Anonymous wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
UncleBeard wrote:
It's been a while since a theorem stumped me this hard. I think I've come to reasonable conclusions on each group, but I can't figure out what to do with the data.


Look for something that jumps out at you.

I admit, I had some problems with this one as well (didn't get it until almost a full hour after, and I needed all three hints), but to my credit, I picked up on the right idea almost immediately.


I'm still totally flummoxed. All I can figure out is this:
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For group 2, I can see that either 1 or 3 has to be false; if 3 includes the time period when 2 exists, then 3 is false for certain 1 and 3 are mutually exclusive. For group 5, #2 is the most likely false, as if #2 in group 2 is true, then it's not likely (but still possible) that #2 in group five is false


But that's all I can say for certain. Everything else is dependent on one another, but I can't get it all down. Any ideas, people?


I'd say that if you're struggling, just move on to another group and see what you can do. One of the hints gives the order in which it is easiest to discern truth from falsehood.
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