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det slanke mannen
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TheArmadaBledd wrote:
I'd say the maglite says Jay and Timmasky are enemies too....


Well Jay has no clue anyway who's on his 'side' according to what we know from him.
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@det slanke mannen brought up some good points, as have a lot of other people. I was firmly in the "Alex cannot possibly be TTA" camp, but recently I've been considering it more and more - especially if we think about season 1 TTA and season 2 TTA as possibly different entities (since I firmly believe that Alex was off doing his own thing and happily not involved during season 1).

Still, the one thing that really bothers me about the Alex theory is *why* is he making these videos? We know that Alex came out of hiding and contacted Jay directly during the 7-month blackout. So he has no reason to hide himself now. Jay is still obviously involved in this and extremely confused. And TTA is showing signs of being frustrated that Jay isn't investigating or doing anything proactive. If present!TTA is Alex and wants Jay to get a move on and help him find Amy/defeat the Operator/etc., why not just go to him directly like last summer?

Serious question here - I'd love to hear some ideas about Alex's current motivations! Because I can't make heads or tails of them, and it's the one thing stopping me from fully embracing Alex=TTA as a plausible theory.

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I honestly don't know how it is a valid theory, especially after 41 and 42... I mean think about it. In the dead of summer, Alex would have to park somewhere, dress up like that. Wander into the forest. Find Jay's camera, walk it back to his car, walk back to wherever he parked, dry off what would no doubt be a RIVER of sweat and make himself look presentable, then drive over, go BACK into the forest looking for Jay, and have the events of all those videos all play out.

Not to mention some people can see Hoodie -Who I'm Assuming Is TTA- leaning against a tree when Alex gets out of his car.

(As a note, I held it equal with the Brian theory up until 41, personally)

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(Big supporter of the Brian theory here! Smile )

The best way to explain the problems Hoody presents with the Alex theory would be to allow that perhaps Hoody is not TTA after all. Or that maybe Hoody is part of the team that makes up TTA. Because I do see Hoody sitting under that tree. And I also noticed how the camera pans over to that tree, centering that figure in the shot. IF Alex is TTA, and there's certainly evidence that Hoody is TTA, then maybe they are working together.

I'm just trying to logic out all possible sides though. Personally, I still think that Hoody=TTA and Alex=\=TTA.

(But I'm still curious about Alex's possible motives for making TTA vids! I want to believe, people!)

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YamaKami wrote:
(Big supporter of the Brian theory here! Smile )

The best way to explain the problems Hoody presents with the Alex theory would be to allow that perhaps Hoody is not TTA after all. Or that maybe Hoody is part of the team that makes up TTA. Because I do see Hoody sitting under that tree. And I also noticed how the camera pans over to that tree, centering that figure in the shot. IF Alex is TTA, and there's certainly evidence that Hoody is TTA, then maybe they are working together.

I'm just trying to logic out all possible sides though. Personally, I still think that Hoody=TTA and Alex=\=TTA.

(But I'm still curious about Alex's possible motives for making TTA vids! I want to believe, people!)


Those points are really good too, also with HOW Alex could possibly have moved so fast in so little time.
I also wondered, like you, why (if Alex=TTA and he is getting frustrated with Jay) Alex doesn't just talk to Jay when he has the chance to do it in person, instead of.. splitting himself like that.

I like the theory that TTA isn't just one person, too. In Entry #42 it looks like Alex is aware of (Hoody?) sitting there under the tree, maybe even waving at him. (Perhaps he was all like "O hai, got Jay's camera? Just put it in his car, you can leave your hoodie-mask clothes in my car then" Very Happy)

Anyway, I gotta think about this some more.
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det slanke mannen wrote:
I also wondered, like you, why (if Alex=TTA and he is getting frustrated with Jay) Alex doesn't just talk to Jay when he has the chance to do it in person, instead of.. splitting himself like that.


Exactly! Although - just to argue with myself some more - that was also my argument against Alex sending Jay the mystery tape in #26. I was dead certain that Alex didn't send it for several reasons: because the dialogue in #36 was *just* vague enough, because I thought the style was (season 1)TTA-ish, and because if Alex wanted Jay's help, then WHY, OH WHY wasn't he clear about his intentions?? The boy was obviously capable of talking to Jay like a sane human being when Jay met up with him just a week or so (couple days?) after #26. He could have included a short note, even a coded note saying, "Hey bro, it's Alex. Look at this crazy shit that happened. Help me." But no, he had to go and just leave a cryptic "help (X)" in the video. If he wanted help, and the situation certainly did warrant some urgency, why leave anything open to interpretation?

AMBIGUITY IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO GETTING SHIT DONE, BOYS! Mad When are they gonna learn?

Whew! /end rant

So yeah, the fact that Alex is capable of communicating normally and has no reason to send cryptic videos was my main argument against the mystery tape coming from Alex, and whoops - he did send it. so maybe that argument doesn't hold here either. But I still want it to make sense. If Alex is present!TTA, there had better be a good reason he's going to all the trouble.

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fjveca wrote:
So this is my first post here on the forums, not so long time lurker but I'e got a theory that could link TTA and Amy, and it's not so far fetched, so please before you sent the operator to kill me read the theory:

I remember that in the TTA video indicator someone translated the binary numbers to the words "He lies"

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http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32450&start=60 I thnink it is the third post in that page

and up until now I wondered that by that TTA tried to say that something laid somewhere as in it was there rather than the tipical thing that meant somebody was telling lies, but then after video 42 and alex mentioning Amy I went to see entry 26 again and around 3:26 Alex is actually lying about not having a camera, so he lies could mean that at least that time he lied and is not to be trusted.

again we don't know what happened to Amy after that video, but I think that the date the video shows for entry 26 is way after TTA appeared in the MH timeline so I think that disregards my theory but maybe there's something I did not considered about that link between the "he lies" and the little lie in entry 26


I know it's been a few days, but welcome to the forum again. I am still in the Jessica=Hoodie=TTA camp, but this argument made me wonder. I never got the impression in 26 that the camera was planted for one major reason: He didn't freak the f@#k out the moment he saw a camera. He had a look of shock, but then discounted it by saying "that's probably just my old camera from college. I probably just slipped it back in there when WE moved." This implies that he knew her in the town of Slendyville and that they moved together. If he didn't know it was there and suddenly it showed up, he would have taken swift action, as he did any time he noticed the operator or his influence, and told her to turn it off or something to that effect. Going on your theory, what if the footage that was on the beginning of the tape she "found" was footage to use for a TTA vid and she decided that envoking the Operator by using the camera around Alex would be a smart/more effective move?

Using that theory, and for the moment assuming it's true, it explains a few things:
-Alex lies, not just about having the camera, but a lie by omission about Sarah being missing. She is, in that he can't find her, but leaving out that she is TTA.
-The tape froze at 3:18, before the Operator appeared
-Why TTA would need the hoodie if he/she was going to be near those two

The one thing that would have to be true for this to work is that not only was Alex keeping the camera to either further his investigation or to "break glass in case of emergency", but that he didn't know she was using it.

It is plausible that after the video cuts something she does reveals her as TTA and Alex hasn't shared that with J yet because he doesn't want to or is ashamed.

One more note then rant over, Sarah could be the girl in the back seat.

Rant over.

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either way, I feel the look of shock was that SHE found it, not that it was there at all

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Loving the theories, guys. Not sure I agree with them, but it's keeping me on my toes.

@KVD - The main thing that's giving me pause is Amy's reaction to Slendy's appearance. I know I'm gonna get flamed for delving into the nuances of screams, but it definitely sounds more like a "OMGWTFAAAIIIIEEEE!!!!" sort of terror than a "Oh s***, not you again" sorta deal. Compare hers and Alex's reactions - he knows what to do because he's dealt with Slendy so much. If Alex and Amy had been together in Slendyville, wouldn't she at least be slightly familiar with him?

I AM curious about the use of the word "we", but I'm just thinking he moved long distance and she moved across town so they could live together.

Regarding the finding of the camera, I think that may be one of the more important parts of that whole video. Did he secretly bring the camera, was it placed there, did SHE secretly bring it...? I would love to know that.

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This tta is a mysterious fellow indeed!

I am with the camp that tta is multiple people.

Not sure that masky=tta though.

There are entries where Masky is filming Jay in a vulnerable position and hanging out with hm as he sleeps. And other vids where he charges at Jay. (why not charge at him while he is down coughing, or smother him ini his sleep...?)

Maybe there is a "real Masky" who IS totheark, and an imposter (possibly working for the thin man). Has anyone ever compared the masks in different entries?

(sorry, I am new here, so this may have been covered - I have tried to read as many older posts as possible to be up to date on all theories..)

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TheMuck wrote:
This tta is a mysterious fellow indeed!

I am with the camp that tta is multiple people.

Not sure that masky=tta though.

There are entries where Masky is filming Jay in a vulnerable position and hanging out with hm as he sleeps. And other vids where he charges at Jay. (why not charge at him while he is down coughing, or smother him ini his sleep...?)

Maybe there is a "real Masky" who IS totheark, and an imposter (possibly working for the thin man). Has anyone ever compared the masks in different entries?

(sorry, I am new here, so this may have been covered - I have tried to read as many older posts as possible to be up to date on all theories..)


Savin' you the flamin', brother.

The theories that TTA is Masky (aka. TiMasky) are few and far between. The most popular theory currently is that HOODIE - who is not TiMasky - is TTA. There are also many people in the multiple TTAs camp as well, as well as multiple Masky's.

Oh, and welcome!

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Chest Cam Avenger wrote:
Loving the theories, guys. Not sure I agree with them, but it's keeping me on my toes.

@KVD - The main thing that's giving me pause is Amy's reaction to Slendy's appearance. I know I'm gonna get flamed for delving into the nuances of screams, but it definitely sounds more like a "OMGWTFAAAIIIIEEEE!!!!" sort of terror than a "Oh s***, not you again" sorta deal. Compare hers and Alex's reactions - he knows what to do because he's dealt with Slendy so much. If Alex and Amy had been together in Slendyville, wouldn't she at least be slightly familiar with him?

I AM curious about the use of the word "we", but I'm just thinking he moved long distance and she moved across town so they could live together.

Regarding the finding of the camera, I think that may be one of the more important parts of that whole video. Did he secretly bring the camera, was it placed there, did SHE secretly bring it...? I would love to know that.


She could have been just selling it at that point. The film stops at that point. This shows him she was f'ing with him. It also shows that she may know how to summon him but that he is still dangerous. It could have gone horribly wrong and then after the film cuts she did something to stop the Operator and showed her hand to Alex in that. It could explain his anger now that he's embarrassed that someone pulled the wool over his eyes that bad.


I like that I don't buy this theory but I'm enjoying arguing for it.

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Chest Cam Avenger wrote:
TheMuck wrote:
This tta is a mysterious fellow indeed!

I am with the camp that tta is multiple people.

Not sure that masky=tta though.

There are entries where Masky is filming Jay in a vulnerable position and hanging out with hm as he sleeps. And other vids where he charges at Jay. (why not charge at him while he is down coughing, or smother him ini his sleep...?)

Maybe there is a "real Masky" who IS totheark, and an imposter (possibly working for the thin man). Has anyone ever compared the masks in different entries?

(sorry, I am new here, so this may have been covered - I have tried to read as many older posts as possible to be up to date on all theories..)


Savin' you the flamin', brother.

The theories that TTA is Masky (aka. TiMasky) are few and far between. The most popular theory currently is that HOODIE - who is not TiMasky - is TTA. There are also many people in the multiple TTAs camp as well, as well as multiple Masky's.

Oh, and welcome!


Thanks for the kind welcome!

I have seen a number of therories pop uup about tta being friend to J rather than foe. Since the hoody gets J his camera back, I guess we see some support for hoodie= tta

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Chest Cam Avenger wrote:
TheMuck wrote:
This tta is a mysterious fellow indeed!

I am with the camp that tta is multiple people.

Not sure that masky=tta though.

There are entries where Masky is filming Jay in a vulnerable position and hanging out with hm as he sleeps. And other vids where he charges at Jay. (why not charge at him while he is down coughing, or smother him ini his sleep...?)

Maybe there is a "real Masky" who IS totheark, and an imposter (possibly working for the thin man). Has anyone ever compared the masks in different entries?

(sorry, I am new here, so this may have been covered - I have tried to read as many older posts as possible to be up to date on all theories..)


Savin' you the flamin', brother.

The theories that TTA is Masky (aka. TiMasky) are few and far between. The most popular theory currently is that HOODIE - who is not TiMasky - is TTA. There are also many people in the multiple TTAs camp as well, as well as multiple Masky's.

Oh, and welcome!


He does bring up a good point, though, and thats "Why doesn't Tim just kill Jay in his sleep?" He was there, he could have, but why didn't he? idk if this is necessarily the thread to post it in, but what if Tim isn't trying to kill Jay, so much as protect him from something?

/farfetchedspeculation

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as in perhaps Slendy was about to climb in his window and snatch him up? (couldn't resist the reference but honestly meant as a clarification question)

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