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Mr_Magpie
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Re: window
jumping out a window

commodore64 wrote:
Mr_Magpie wrote:
commodore64 wrote:
Hey gang.. Didn't Alex and Amy escape the operator via a door in the tape that got sent to Jay? That seems to imply that the story Alex is telling about jumping out of a window with Amy is a separate occurrence.

Didn't Jessica say her roommate (now known to be Amy) kicked her out for something Jessica couldn't believe she had done? Is that what Alex and Amy were escaping from, maybe?


In the footage sent to Jay, Alex told Amy to 'jump out the window, get down to the street. I'll be right behind you.'

Jessica only said that she was 'kicked out'. When Jay asked her for more specifics, Jessica said she didn't want to talk about it.


Rats.. Thought I had something. Smile Do we have evidence to indicate that whatever Jessica is accused off happened after Alex and Amy's jump? Maybe she is in trouble for planting the camera? It seems unlikely that Alex would store it in his girlfriend's house if he didn't want it found.


No, Jessica never mentions it again - and in light of the fact that she ended up admitting that she had been 'losing huge chunks of time' and didn't know how she'd gotten to the hotel, her story might just as easily have been a cover to hide how out-of-it she was.

Sort of like Jay's, but, you know, consistently maintained for more than five seconds. Rolling Eyes

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Ok so I really don't want to read through 50 pages of this forum so I'm just going to give my opinion, sorry if it's all been said

Jessica has connections to Alex but whether or not it was a close enough connection (Alex sounded like he hadn't talked to her a lot since the Slendy Amy conflict) may or may not put her in the TTA pot

I don't know if it has been mention but in the car Jay asks Alex "should WE follow you" Which caught my attention but I have no idea at all if it can be or should be dissected

My main reason for this post are about my Alex opinions.
I think that Alex was looking for a fight with Slendy. He knew where he was because of Jay so he went there to get him and possibly even kill him. Armed with the chest cam (possibly because Slendy never moves on camera) he goes there and is instantly overwhelmed by Slendy. Then I think Alex's getting up and walking twoared him isn't because he is in a trance, I think the weird walk is just his Slendy somehow trying to hinder his walking that way. But Alex was resisting and pressing forward trying to fight him.

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Schmedly27 wrote:

I don't know if it has been mention but in the car Jay asks Alex "should WE follow you"


No, im quite certain that he says "Do you want ME to follow you"
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Alright, I've read the first 30 pages of this particular thread without seeing anything all too close to my personal ideas on this video. So I'll take the time now to throw them into the light, and see what kind of responses I get from it all. Haha

Though most of the video is slow, I find it weird that Jay doesn't even ask whether he should go with Alex, or try to for that matter.
Keeping in mind this was a house where Slendy attacked Alex and Amy, you would think something around the line of "I should check this place out a little" would come to mind, as Alex tried the door.
If it was me, I would have gotten out of the car and followed Alex. Looking in the windows with the camera or something, see if there's any signs of someone having been there? Who goes all that way to knock on the door, wait not even a minute, and then leave?

Anyway, the reason I really planned to make the post was for what happens after:
Alex says he's dropping Jay off, and then going home. Then says it's better if Jay doesn't know where he lives.
Now every response I've read on here for that, is someone saying either Alex is evil because he lied and was actually going to meet Slendy. Or Alex is cautious because he doesn't want Jay to know, and lead Slendy to him or whatever.

Personally, both Alex and Jay have been traveling around, and continuously moving in order to stay off the radar. And we all know that Jay does a rather crappy job at this. What if it's just an act of self preservation. Alex simply doesn't want to be found out. Therefore, he doesn't want Jay following him, and revealing where he's currently housing himself. That doesn't make Alex evil, or anything. It simply means he's trying to continue with what may have been working. With Tim and TTA and whoever else following Jay around, it's certainly safer to keep Jay away from where you're staying.

Finally: Though as out of the box as it may be, I feel like Alex didn't go to whatever forest he had traveled to at the end of this video, for something like meeting Slendy.
What if he's getting messages from TTA, or that newer masked fellow? (Who may or may not be TTA themselves) Maybe even someone else entirely. He could have been told; 'He has Amy here'. And as such, Alex did the rash approach, and drove out there. Pulled together his courage, and went forwards into the woods in order to save her. Though from the moment he collapsed, he probably blacked out. (IE: The twitching) and was taken over by Slendy. We'll probably get a video later of either Jay wondering where he went. Or of Alex 'waking up' somewhere else entirely, and unsure how he had gotten there.

Although this is all speculation, and or my personal thoughts on the matter.
Not to mention rather long-winded for my first post in these forums. Embarassed


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ReaverDarkside wrote:
With Tim and TTA and whoever else following Jay around, it's certainly safer to keep Jay away from where you're staying.


Fair point. I would presume Alex knows at least as much about what's happened to Jay as we do, even if Jay hasn't told him he's probably seen all the entries by this point. It occurs to me that TTA's entries during series 2 have focussed more on Alex - perhaps he wasn't that successful at avoiding TTA's interest...


ReaverDarkside wrote:
Finally: Though as out of the box as it may be, I feel like Alex didn't go to whatever forest he had traveled to at the end of this video, for something like meeting Slendy.
What if he's getting messages from TTA, or that newer masked fellow? (Who may or may not be TTA themselves) Maybe even someone else entirely. He could have been told; 'He has Amy here'. And as such, Alex did the rash approach, and drove out there. Pulled together his courage, and went forwards into the woods in order to save her. Though from the moment he collapsed, he probably blacked out. (IE: The twitching) and was taken over by Slendy. We'll probably get a video later of either Jay wondering where he went. Or of Alex 'waking up' somewhere else entirely, and unsure how he had gotten there.


Our big problem is that the footage of Alex in the woods has no context. For all we know, it could be a completely different day, especially if (as it appears) Jay is mixing the footage from his tapes and Alex's hard drive.

What does seem obvious is that Alex is in some kind of 'internal debate' before he goes in. Honestly, I can see this fitting with your theory - if he had recieved a tip-off, he's probably expecting a trap. He'd then eventually decide that its worth the risk. Whilst we can't say for certain Alex does get out of this OK, we know his camera does and since it's attatched to him, he probably walks out. Whether he walks under his own strength... well, something about the shuffling suggests that might not happen.

My one question about this theory is, if he did get lured out there, who did the luring, and how did they either 1. know that Amy was there or 2. coordinate a slendy-trap?

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ReaverDarkside wrote:
With Tim and TTA and whoever else following Jay around, it's certainly safer to keep Jay away from where you're staying.


Even if this ended up being Alex's reasoning, it still casts him in a pretty negative light. I mean, from what we see in Entry #20 it seems like Alex and Jay were once pretty good friends. And even if they hadn't seen each other in a few years, if you knew your once-friend were being stalked by questionable masked people and sent creepy video messages, and you also knew that people had disappeared, wouldn't you be inclined to want to help your friend versus leaving them (essentially) out on their own?

It's still a bit of a dick move, at the end of the day, unless Alex knows something we don't about the situation.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
ReaverDarkside wrote:
With Tim and TTA and whoever else following Jay around, it's certainly safer to keep Jay away from where you're staying.


Even if this ended up being Alex's reasoning, it still ends up casting him in a pretty negative light. I mean, from what we see in Entry #20 it seems like Alex and Jay were once pretty good friends. And even if they hadn't seen each other in a few years, if you knew your once-friend were being stalked by questionable masked people and sent creepy video messages, and you also knew that people had disappeared, wouldn't you be inclined to want to help your friend versus leaving them (essentially) out on their own?

It's still a bit of a dick move, at the end of the day, unless Alex knows something we don't about the situation.


I think it's a bit harsh to call it a "dick move" if Alex is just being cautious. I mean, Slendy did visit him in his bedroom and made him bleed all over the place... Amy is missing... Jessica didn't pick up her phone so now he doesn't know what's going on with her either... I'm going to have to agree with Reaver on this one. I think Alex is being conservative about his whereabouts, and maybe even a bit protective of Jay in this case. I mean, why bring Jay with him to confront The Operator? Alex doesn't know what's going to happen...

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Kitchenyou10sull wrote:
Mr_Magpie wrote:
ReaverDarkside wrote:
With Tim and TTA and whoever else following Jay around, it's certainly safer to keep Jay away from where you're staying.


Even if this ended up being Alex's reasoning, it still ends up casting him in a pretty negative light. I mean, from what we see in Entry #20 it seems like Alex and Jay were once pretty good friends. And even if they hadn't seen each other in a few years, if you knew your once-friend were being stalked by questionable masked people and sent creepy video messages, and you also knew that people had disappeared, wouldn't you be inclined to want to help your friend versus leaving them (essentially) out on their own?

It's still a bit of a dick move, at the end of the day, unless Alex knows something we don't about the situation.


I think it's a bit harsh to call it a "dick move" if Alex is just being cautious. I mean, Slendy did visit him in his bedroom and made him bleed all over the place... Amy is missing... Jessica didn't pick up her phone so now he doesn't know what's going on with her either... I'm going to have to agree with Reaver on this one. I think Alex is being conservative about his whereabouts, and maybe even a bit protective of Jay in this case. I mean, why bring Jay with him to confront The Operator? Alex doesn't know what's going to happen...


Right, but ReaverDarkside says that we're disregarding the fact that (it appears) Alex went to the woods right after dropping Jay off, and instead it might have been purely an act of self-preservation on Alex's part. I don't completely believe that's the case, as Alex's reasoning in leaving Jay in the dark is obviously still unknown, but if it were merely a matter of wanting to keep Jay at a distance because Maskies are following him, then, yes, it would be a bit of a dick move. It's not as if Alex is really that much less involved in the situation than Jay is now.

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Something else occurs to me while watching this which I haven't seen mentioned yet (apologies if it has been said and I've just missed it)...

This entry suggests that Amy lived at the house from Entry #26, but Alex didn't. This is further supported by the fact that he knocks on the door.

However, #26 seems to strongly indicate that they lived there together. When Amy finds the camera and asks Alex about it, they talk about whether or not "we" have a camera, suggesting shared ownership which usually comes from living together.

This is an odd discrepancy, and it also leads to another point...

Alex states that it's probably his old camera and he's going to sell it. Now, I can concede that couples will often have possessions at each others' houses, but these are usually items they use frequently. A camera that Alex has not used for a long time and has no wish to use would probably be stashing in a closet at his place, not his girlfriend's.

So, assuming that Alex did not live here, it would support the idea that the camera was planted.
Then again, Alex doesn't seem overly surprised to see it, though he clearly doesn't want Amy to use it.

This could suggest that either Alex planted the camera himself for Amy to find (in which case he is pretending not to want her to use it)...

OR he had been using it himself for some reason, and Amy just happened to find it.

Either way, it just adds more weight to the "Alex is up to something" argument.

TL;DR
1> Did Alex really live somewhere else, or did he live in that house with Amy? If he lived with her, why did he pretend not to?

2> If he didn't, the presence of the camera there -and his lack of surprise at seeing it- would suggest that:

(a) He planted it for Amy to find, or...
(b) He had been using it, probably recently and/or regularly.

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Well considering Alex is the one targeted in a way by TTA, and TiMasky pretty much tried to kill him. They clearly have a bit more story then Jay does with that particular Slendy-haunted group of individuals.
There's really nothing to say that Alex isn't just keeping Jay away, in order to keep away from those that are stalking him. Maybe by showing less of an emotional attachment to Jay, Alex is doing his own sort of protection to keep the Operator from snatching him up too?

If I had been dealing with something like this for (Presumably) as long as Alex had, I would be focused more on my own self-preservation then on making sure my friends (No matter how close they may or may not be) are safe and secure. Jay may have come into quite a few run-ins; but he's gotten out of them alright, and no matter how much Alex may seem like he's trying not to help, he could just have confidence that Jay can handle himself. He may be naive in this thinking, but I wouldn't throw the thinking passed him.

@8BitFilk:
You have a point, I remembered watching through the video (#26) again yesterday because of something someone else said. It could just be that he spends more time over there, then at his own 'home'. I don't think we really know how long they had been together, or the structure of their relationship. So we cant really assume he was living there or not.
If he was, maybe he just doesn't remember. I mean we've had enough weird memory lapses and everything else, what's one more? Wink

I'm under the impression that the camera was planted there without him knowing. Mainly for the fact that if it's *Your* house, and *You're* going into a closet. It's not going to be a closet you don't use on a regular basis. So if the camera had been there, she should have found it quite a few times. I was under the interpretation that it sort of just 'showed up' there, and she was as surprised about it as he tried not to be.

Otherwise it could have been from his paranoia, he could have had it hidden there, and at night when he was over or something he could be going into a frenzied "Have to check every inch of this place!" mode. And go running about with a camera in the middle of the night.

Frankly I'd like to see more of that footage, it both creeped me out and amused me. haha


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No , it's certainly nothing conclusive, but I found it odd. I definitely don't think he lived there and forgot though - he seemed very clear about who did live there when he visited the place with Jay.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
From an OOG perspective, they may have initially filmed #26 as though they lived together, then changed it for plot reasons.


My speculation about why the camera was there is totally dependent on whether he lived there or not, and even if we knew it would only be slightly more educated speculation.

The reason I thought it worth mentioning is because, up until now, the general consensus had been that Alex had probably stopped using cameras altogether as a way to elude the Operator. But, if you follow the idea that he had actually still been using it, then to what end? There's been speculation after this entry that he may have been colluding with Slendy, so maybe the camera was a way to communicate with him, or deliberately summon him. That would certainly tie in with his appearance when Amy finds the camera, as well as Alex's strangely calm reaction, which has been pointed out before.

This isn't so much a real theory; just an idea that occurred to me and seemed to fit. Worth throwing into the mix all the same.

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8bitFilk wrote:
The reason I thought it worth mentioning is because, up until now, the general consensus had been that Alex had probably stopped using cameras altogether as a way to elude the Operator. But, if you follow the idea that he had actually still been using it, then to what end? There's been speculation after this entry that he may have been colluding with Slendy, so maybe the camera was a way to communicate with him, or deliberately summon him. That would certainly tie in with his appearance when Amy finds the camera, as well as Alex's strangely calm reaction, which has been pointed out before.


My bold.

Keep in mind that a few weeks after the events of #26, Alex is using a camera all the time, albeit not the same one as Amy found. If he had stopped using cameras entirely (the way Amy says 'since when did we have a camera' suggests she's never seen Alex with one) then what's made him start again shortly after? Equally, if the camera does summon the Operator, can Alex be sure it won't just turn up at random whilst his chestcam is attatched?

I'm of the opinion that Alex is most likely filming again for the same reason he started his 24/7 filming when the original MH shoot was happening - to record what happens if his memory fails. Certainly he seems happy to record on the chest cam, so unless there's something specific about the camera Amy found, I'm no longer convinced that they act to 'summon' Slendy.

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The difference between the can Amy found and the chest came is that the chrst cam saves on a hard drive and the other cam saves on tapes?

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But wait:

1. Alex didn't live there (by this video)
2. Jessica was Amy's roommate (by this video)
3. Jessica was very likely slenderstalked as a child (at least has dreams to that effect).

If Alex didn't live there, why would he store what is "probably [his] old camera from college" in the closet of Amy's house. Alex seems a bit stymied at the whole scenario, like he doesn't remember storing his camera there.

It's possible that the camera, then, was Jessica's, and Alex just assumed it must have been his because of Amy mentioning weirdo footage at the beginning of the tape (and Alex knows a thing or two about weird footage being on his cameras). This does raise the question of why Jessica assumed it was Alex's and not Jessica's, but that's not exactly a theory-shattering flaw.

If this is the case, it possibly lends credence to the Jessica=TTA theory, since the beginning footage seems characteristic of TTA. But even regardless of that, there are some interesting ideas that can be raised if the camera was Jessica's, like

Did she plant it intentionally? Was she just careless? Did she want to forget about it like Alex? Hell, maybe Jessica was filming herself and the only reason it seemed like Tall, Dark, and Creepy was leaving him alone was because another one of his victims was filming themselves in such close proximity to him; so he never saw slendy because he was down the street peeping in on his gf's roommate, then Jessica stops filming, Alex/Amy finds the camera and Slendy says "eh, haven't bothered you in a while. Grats, you're my bitch again."

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Maybe Alex moved out after Slendy appeared in that house? I wouldn't stay in that house, but it's weird that Amy asks Alex "when did we get a camera." When it could've been Jessica's

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