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ErBoi
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 		Not that it's totally refuting but I think 'Return' makes it really unlikely that Jay is totheark.

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ErBoi wrote:
Not that it's totally refuting but I think 'Return' makes it really unlikely that Jay is totheark.


It also makes it rather unlikely that totheark is jay's sideburns having acquired sentience.

Totheark is probably Tim.

Because he saw how many tapes alex had in his trunk.

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Tipttt wrote:
ErBoi wrote:
Not that it's totally refuting but I think 'Return' makes it really unlikely that Jay is totheark.


It also makes it rather unlikely that totheark is jay's sideburns having acquired sentience.

Totheark is probably Tim.

Because he saw how many tapes alex had in his trunk.


That was Seth who saw how many tapes they had.
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HunterEris wrote:
Tipttt wrote:
ErBoi wrote:
Not that it's totally refuting but I think 'Return' makes it really unlikely that Jay is totheark.


It also makes it rather unlikely that totheark is jay's sideburns having acquired sentience.

Totheark is probably Tim.

Because he saw how many tapes alex had in his trunk.


That was Seth who saw how many tapes they had.


Oh.

Well, he heard a guy being told how many tapes alex had.

Anyway, if you look closely at the sideburns, they correspond almost perfectly to his.


Also, concerning the huge memory gaps, My theory is that the operator is able to trigger some form of anterograde amnesia in his targets, effectively preventing their short term memory from being transferred to long term memory, only allowing them to remember what he wants them to remember.

Also, if you look closely, the operator has many victims. At least five, according to me.

So it is probable that jay is another person't "totheark".

Like, he not only stalks his victims (for some reasons), but he also uses them to keep track of his other targets when needed.

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Tipttt wrote:
HunterEris wrote:
Tipttt wrote:
ErBoi wrote:
Not that it's totally refuting but I think 'Return' makes it really unlikely that Jay is totheark.


It also makes it rather unlikely that totheark is jay's sideburns having acquired sentience.

Totheark is probably Tim.

Because he saw how many tapes alex had in his trunk.


That was Seth who saw how many tapes they had.


Oh.

Well, he heard a guy being told how many tapes alex had.

Anyway, if you look closely at the sideburns, they correspond almost perfectly to his.


Also, concerning the huge memory gaps, My theory is that the operator is able to trigger some form of anterograde amnesia in his targets, effectively preventing their short term memory from being transferred to long term memory, only allowing them to remember what he wants them to remember.

Also, if you look closely, the operator has many victims. At least five, according to me.

So it is probable that jay is another person't "totheark".

Like, he not only stalks his victims (for some reasons), but he also uses them to keep track of his other targets when needed.


*Will not participate in this discussion unless there is actual evidence supporting these theories*
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HunterEris wrote:
Tipttt wrote:
HunterEris wrote:
Tipttt wrote:
ErBoi wrote:
Not that it's totally refuting but I think 'Return' makes it really unlikely that Jay is totheark.


It also makes it rather unlikely that totheark is jay's sideburns having acquired sentience.

Totheark is probably Tim.

Because he saw how many tapes alex had in his trunk.


That was Seth who saw how many tapes they had.


Oh.

Well, he heard a guy being told how many tapes alex had.

Anyway, if you look closely at the sideburns, they correspond almost perfectly to his.


Also, concerning the huge memory gaps, My theory is that the operator is able to trigger some form of anterograde amnesia in his targets, effectively preventing their short term memory from being transferred to long term memory, only allowing them to remember what he wants them to remember.

Also, if you look closely, the operator has many victims. At least five, according to me.

So it is probable that jay is another person't "totheark".

Like, he not only stalks his victims (for some reasons), but he also uses them to keep track of his other targets when needed.


*Will not participate in this discussion unless there is actual evidence supporting these theories*


Usually, evidence comes after you followed a theory and investigated about it.

WIth proofs, there wouldn'T be any theories. Only facts.

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 		A lot of people here seem to use the scientific definition of "theory", where the ideas are backed up by so much evidence that they essentially are facts and anything less is just a hypothesis. My advice is ignore the people who demand that you have proof for everything unless you're actually in a legitimate argument. Too many people take theories too seriously here. Razz

However, a general theory about the identity of totheark would probably be more on-topic if it were posted in the thread about totheark's identity or the general discussion thread.

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CupcakeOverlord wrote:
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5. Jay, part II. This is actually my favorite theory thus far. Jay himself is totheark, and he doesn't even know it. In other words, take the above Shadow Alex theory and apply it to Jay. This explains why TTA knows things about Jay that in all reality even Alex would have had a hard time witnessing if he were spying on Jay. Shadow Jay (probably) has access to all of normal Jay's memories (but not vice-versa) as well as all of his stuff. This also fits in line with the fact that Jay is losing large chunks of time and evidently doing stuff with that time unwittingly. Shadow Jay leaves the totheark videos as an attempt to communicate with his normal self. However, it's quite likely that if Jay ever became aware of Shadow Jay, that the latter would cease to be (being sort-of "assimilated" back into waking-Jay's mind) and thus, out of self-preservation, is carefully disguising his own nature.


I honestly really love the idea of this theory, too, but if you look back in TTA videos like Exit and Addition (and maybe even Return) , you see TTA actually filming Jay. The camerawork is a little shaky as well, so you can tell it's not on a tripod or anything. To me, the only way I could see Jay as TTA is if he started making videos as TTA later, like he took someone else's place as TTA (supporting the multiple TTA theories).

Edit: Grammar.


This is my problem with that theory too. The obvious workaround is that he is getting the footage from other "shadow" people somehow. If Hoodie was filming Jay while asleep in his car, and assuming that Hoodie is the one who filmed the other footage of Jay, it's possible that Shadow Jay knows Hoodie *while* he's in Shadow-mode (assuming that Hoodie and Shadow Jay are both working for the Operator), stole the footage in a moment of lucidity, and is sending messages to his waking self? That's the best fix I have for that hole right now, because I really really want this theory to be true.

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However, a general theory about the identity of totheark would probably be more on-topic if it were posted in the thread about totheark's identity or the general discussion thread.


I think we're just kind of on a tangent right now. As to the video: I saw some debate on why Alex went back to the woods; my first impression was because it was that Jay saw the Operator there and he went back in to look for the Operator... my understanding of the timeline is a little fuzzy though (I had a couple glasses of wine watching the last few) so I thought that #43 came after.... whichever it was that Jay encountered the Operator in the woods (#42?) but I could be wrong.

Edit: typo

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 		I like these "blocks" of entries that expain various things in a mini-chapter. We had the hotel block, the abandoned house, Rosswood Park Mystery Fun Time, and Rosswood Park Slenderperson Encounter VIII.

All of these, except the hotel entries, have been three entries total. This leads me to believe 44 will pick up one of the previous plotlines, or start a new mystery.

And as bobthecrusher (I think) said, the next TTA video will probably be drastically different from recent ones.
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chaos_angel wrote:
BranRainey wrote:
However, a general theory about the identity of totheark would probably be more on-topic if it were posted in the thread about totheark's identity or the general discussion thread.


I think we're just kind of on a tangent right now. As to the video: I saw some debate on why Alex went back to the woods; my first impression was because it was that Jay saw the Operator there and he went back in to look for the Operator... my understanding of the timeline is a little fuzzy though (I had a couple glasses of wine watching the last few) so I thought that #43 came after.... whichever it was that Jay encountered the Operator in the woods (#42?) but I could be wrong.


http://marblehornets.wikidot.com/the-entries

That page has mini descriptions of the Entries and helps keep the numbers straight.

As far as why Alex went to the woods, my guess is still that he was sick of Slendy's shit and went into the woods after Jay told him that our tall friend was there, because he wanted to confront him. I said it before: Alex is at the end of his rope. He was harassed by the Slender Man during Marble Hornets, finally escaped his attention, only to be revisited years later. He presumably also encountered the Operator during childhood (it is unclear at this point whether or not Alex was aware of Slendy's presence during his childhood).

Not only has Slendy been harassing Alex, he's cost him his pet project as well as several of his friends, forced him to move away, and then also took away his girlfriend. Unable to find said girlfriend, and frustrated after the lack of success in going to her house with Jay, he decides he's done putting up with it and goes into the woods, hoping to find the Operator, face him, and beat him somehow (or die trying, which he might be okay with.)

This explains why he went there in the first place as well as why he was moving towards the Operator at the end of Entry #43. Others describe his movement as "zombielike" or "trancelike", but I think that whatever Slendy was doing to him must have hurt, and the kind of movement we see is the product of the intense focus necessary to even continue standing.

The outcome of the fight is up in the air, though I find it unlikely that Alex could have had any success whatsoever. It seems likely at this point that Alex is either dead or enslaved by Slendy, but without being able to see what happened after the video cuts out at the end of Entry 43, it's possible that Alex was able to escape somehow or even that he could have harmed Slendy. We don't know, maybe he had some kind of ace in the hole. What we do know, however, is that somehow the chestcam made it back out of the forest and into Jay's possession sometime between this encounter and the first Entry of season 2. It's likely that Hoodie/totheark may be the person who brought the chestcam to Jay, considering that he's the one who returned Jay's camera as well.

It's possible that Jessica may be talking to Alex on the phone in Entry 30, possibly because he might have answers to her memory loss. This would indicate that Alex is alive.

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t3hkender wrote:
It's possible that Jessica may be talking to Alex on the phone in Entry 30, possibly because he might have answers to her memory loss. This would indicate that Alex is alive.


I have been trying to puzzle out who Jessica could have been talking to on the phone back in Entry #30, and this is just as good a guess as any.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
t3hkender wrote:
It's possible that Jessica may be talking to Alex on the phone in Entry 30, possibly because he might have answers to her memory loss. This would indicate that Alex is alive.


I have been trying to puzzle out who Jessica could have been talking to on the phone back in Entry #30, and this is just as good a guess as any.


If it is a character we know, I think the only two likely candidates are Alex and Amy. It's possible that Amy's not merely missing, but she's actually hiding. Why she would communicate with Jessica and not anyone else is beyond me. I don't even think she's still alive.

I think that if the person she's talking to is someone we've met, it's got to be Alex.

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t3hkender wrote:
Mr_Magpie wrote:
t3hkender wrote:
It's possible that Jessica may be talking to Alex on the phone in Entry 30, possibly because he might have answers to her memory loss. This would indicate that Alex is alive.


I have been trying to puzzle out who Jessica could have been talking to on the phone back in Entry #30, and this is just as good a guess as any.


If it is a character we know, I think the only two likely candidates are Alex and Amy. It's possible that Amy's not merely missing, but she's actually hiding. Why she would communicate with Jessica and not anyone else is beyond me. I don't even think she's still alive.

I think that if the person she's talking to is someone we've met, it's got to be Alex.


She might be talking to Amy, but Amy had been found at this point.

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dinosauring wrote:
t3hkender wrote:
Mr_Magpie wrote:
t3hkender wrote:
It's possible that Jessica may be talking to Alex on the phone in Entry 30, possibly because he might have answers to her memory loss. This would indicate that Alex is alive.


I have been trying to puzzle out who Jessica could have been talking to on the phone back in Entry #30, and this is just as good a guess as any.


If it is a character we know, I think the only two likely candidates are Alex and Amy. It's possible that Amy's not merely missing, but she's actually hiding. Why she would communicate with Jessica and not anyone else is beyond me. I don't even think she's still alive.

I think that if the person she's talking to is someone we've met, it's got to be Alex.


She might be talking to Amy, but Amy had been found at this point.

Unless we can hear the person on the other end of the phone, which I don't remember hearing, Jessica could have just as easily been talking to nobody just so she would have an excuse to wait outside for Jay without obviously waiting for him. I don't really think that's what happened, but it's a possibility.

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 		Not everyone uses speaker/keeps the phone volume jacked up really high man.

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