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[LOCKED] EverymanHYBRID 2011
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Ouroborus
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 		Which is why I wonder about Slendy's part in all this. From what we've observed and seen, SM seems to be quite possessive of the fairmount kids. Cycle or not, he's been protective over them and overbearing. It's a wonder why he tolerated Corenthal at all, actually.

And it seems to have carried over to the current cast. He's "discplined' the cast(Ashen Waste, Storage container, Probably the hidden videos), but he's never directly harmed them. Too bad the same can't be said for their loved ones.

HABIT seems to be toeing the line with the crew. I don't think the 7 trials is of any design of Slendy. I don't think the Rake's fixation on Alex is a Slendy thing either(although it would fit the MO)


Tangent: The accounts we have of Slendy and Habit working together are all fairly recent. Within the EMH crew's lifetime.(probably). All the other accounts appear to be solo affairs. I'm willing to believe that this is a recent(ish) collab.

n/m. 1957.

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 		I don't know, the 1950s(?) account is ages ago.
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 		Speculation on why Slendy kept Johnny alive: If our baddies are memetic entities, they can exist (and grow stronger?) only while somebody is passing stories of them around. That means, of course, that somebody has to write the stories in the first place. Some witnesses are less cooperative than others, so HABIT and the Man are forced to torture the testimony out of them.

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Ouroborus wrote:
I don't think the Rake's fixation on Alex is a Slendy thing either(although it would fit the MO)


I've always felt that the Rake attacked Alex because he was the most unstable of the group. Slenderman obviously loves suffering, maybe the Rake is his tool of torture?

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Ouroborus wrote:
Which is why I wonder about Slendy's part in all this. From what we've observed and seen, SM seems to be quite possessive of the fairmount kids. Cycle or not, he's been protective over them and overbearing. It's a wonder why he tolerated Corenthal at all, actually.

And it seems to have carried over to the current cast. He's "discplined' the cast(Ashen Waste, Storage container, Probably the hidden videos), but he's never directly harmed them. Too bad the same can't be said for their loved ones.


Maybe he knows HABIT poses a threat to the cast? If HABIT inHABITs say, Evan, then if SM wanted to protect the rest of them he'd have to harm or kill Evan. So in exchange for leaving the cast be for the most part, Slendy helps HABIT "feed the HABIT"? HABIT probably messes with the cast via the hidden videos or temporary possession just to remind Slendy that he is capable of harming the cast.

That's not to say that what Slendy has in mind is good for the boys and Damsel. Crying or Very sad

EMH Slendy always did strike me as being relatively more human than other incarnations of the character. He seems to understand human relationships, at least at a basic level.

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qaqa wrote:
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I may be misunderstanding the "Sue" concept here but I thought that applied to protagonists. I'm not sure what I should be complaining about as per HABIT - he's always been a mysterious, conniving, seemingly omnipresent antagonist. So is Slender Man.


That's why I called him an inverse Sue. Such definitions are flexible, and everyone understands what it means, even if not everyone agrees.


Well, that's more a subjective thing - I truly don't understand the line that separates 'good villain' from "Canon Sue" in this case other than a personal preference. I mean, we could call the Joker in the Batman universe a Sue, Lex Luthor to Superman, any number of recurring villains in fiction. They always come back, they're never stopped for good. And yes, they can be beaten, they have flaws - and so too it seems to me does HABIT, namely his immaturity and arrogance, which it's already been demonstrated can be silenced by the higher power. He pisses and moans at the kitchen table but we have yet to see him best the Slondormon.


The Joker is very dangerous and actually causes irreparable damage (such as Oracle). Lex Luthor is in a similar camp. Also, a good villain doesn't have to be defeated for good -- just defeated. Batman and Superman triumph over their enemies, even if only temporarily.

If the Joker or Lex Luthor finally won their battles, they would still be good villains because of their intense struggles and constant failures and then lo! it all pays off, and they stand over the corpses of their enemies in victory. What makes them good villains -- i.e., good characters -- are their failures and how they choose to overcome them.

Part of being a Sue is being ascribed incredible qualities to the point that its impossible for them to be a credible character. Another part of being a Sue is that they never lose, ever. (There are shades of gray, but I won't go into those here.) HABIT is basically telling us he has this incredible ~super powers~ (I like Harbie's take on that) and that he has never ever lost to anyone, ever.

Normally, that wouldn't bother me. This kind of character is all about bragging and bravado and whatnot, as we've noted in the past, which doesn't make this behavior unusual. What makes it bother me in this case is the reaction of the other characters. The EMH crew won't stand up to him, they won't do anything to fight him, they won't do anything that could possibly stand in his way (even though he killed Ryan). Steph is afraid of him, and that's not unreasonable, but its just another notch in a pattern of needless aquiescence and fear.

That's what makes HABIT a Sue. He's given these stupid super powers for no good reason, (seriously, he would be a lot scarier if he caused all this damage on the physical budget of a normal human body) and he has never lost a fight -- mostly because the EMH crew has already decided that challenging him is useless, probably because they already think he'll win. They might prove that wrong, but they won't.

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, qaqa, and I'm sorry if I come off that way. That's just how its coming off to me.
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Luipaard wrote:

The EMH crew won't stand up to him, they won't do anything to fight him, they won't do anything that could possibly stand in his way (even though he killed Ryan). Steph is afraid of him, and that's not unreasonable, but its just another notch in a pattern of needless aquiescence and fear.


Honestly, though, what could they do to stand up to him? To the majority of the cast, he's this vaguely threatening presence on the internet who might just be a troll who happens to know how to hack. I mean, if they could see the hidden videos they might realize just how dangerous HABIT is. Any sort of 'PSA' style video where they tell HABIT they aren't going to take shit from him anymore would just be feeding a troll.

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Luipaard wrote:
Part of being a Sue is being ascribed incredible qualities to the point that its impossible for them to be a credible character. Another part of being a Sue is that they never lose, ever. (There are shades of gray, but I won't go into those here.) HABIT is basically telling us he has this incredible ~super powers~ (I like Harbie's take on that) and that he has never ever lost to anyone, ever.


Except I get the impression he can, and has, lost to SM before, at least in terms of marking his own territory.

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Normally, that wouldn't bother me. This kind of character is all about bragging and bravado and whatnot, as we've noted in the past, which doesn't make this behavior unusual. What makes it bother me in this case is the reaction of the other characters. The EMH crew won't stand up to him, they won't do anything to fight him, they won't do anything that could possibly stand in his way (even though he killed Ryan). Steph is afraid of him, and that's not unreasonable, but its just another notch in a pattern of needless aquiescence and fear.


Well, yes, but what could they do? Jeff is not actually Batman (MY IMMERSION). They're not superheroes, they're just college students with jobs. They have no idea what HABIT is or how to fight him. That's the difference between this and the comics - no Superman or Batman. I personally am more interested in how they ultimately have to face this superior threat versus them trying to go toe to toe with it - I wouldn't buy that in this mostly realistic context. Personally that would make it all comic-y for me, and I wouldn't be into it. That's the reason I wasn't a huge fan of some other Slenderseries of multiple mediums. I love my comics, but not in my SLONDORMONS.
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 		There are just so many questions.

I'm probably beating a dead horse, but if we do the math with the stuff we've been given thus far.

HABIT probably killed Ryan(for either breaking the rules or just because he's a dick like that). Ryan had his neck snapped, but was cut up like the unknown girl. =Rake?

Habit was probably the bullet hole-ridden dude in 1957. He basically took out a police force by himself.

There is footage of Corenthal fighting off several people in a diner. Dozens of people end up dead. Not Corenthal. Corenthal= Habit?

I think there's enough evidence that either Habit has a permanant body and is rocking an immortality kick...or he needs hosts. And he can probably give them super strength, I guess. The question is, can he switch hosts willy-nilly, or is he stuck in a body until (?) happens?

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 		Assuming for a moment the people in the diner attacked the doctor and the footage wasn't altered, maybe HABIT took control of all of them at once, but when he failed to kill Corenthal, laid waste to the lot of them to continue the frame-up?

That's assuming Corenthal is not and has not been a host, which remains to be seen.
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Except I get the impression he can, and has, lost to SM before, at least in terms of marking his own territory.


I haven't. Razz

I think the disconnect here is that I can't imagine HABIT having any kind of significant power at this point. Everything he says is bullshit, everything he claims is a lie, and his most credible claim for 2011 is that he frightened an already frightened young lady. Well, we should all just run back into the tallgrass and try our luck with the Rattatas, because there's no way a track record like that could be challenged!

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Honestly, though, what could they do to stand up to him? To the majority of the cast, he's this vaguely threatening presence on the internet who might just be a troll who happens to know how to hack. I mean, if they could see the hidden videos they might realize just how dangerous HABIT is. Any sort of 'PSA' style video where they tell HABIT they aren't going to take shit from him anymore would just be feeding a troll.


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Well, yes, but what could they do? Jeff is not actually Batman (MY IMMERSION). They're not superheroes, they're just college students with jobs. They have no idea what HABIT is or how to fight him. That's the difference between this and the comics - no Superman or Batman. I personally am more interested in how they ultimately have to face this superior threat versus them trying to go toe to toe with it - I wouldn't buy that in this mostly realistic context. Personally that would make it all comic-y for me, and I wouldn't be into it. That's the reason I wasn't a huge fan of some other Slenderseries of multiple mediums. I love my comics, but not in my SLONDORMONS.


You are both making a very credible point: how exactly does one go about battling what is essentially a memetic troll?

Well, we don't know. Because no one will go about it, except Full Round Action. Which worked. Remember how a lot of us praised him for standing up to HABIT? Yeah, it proved to be toothless in the end -- but he was still moved to Trial 6.

So I guess my problem is, the crew isn't even willing to try. Steph folded like a cheap paper suit after the hack, when she could have changed her password and deleted everything HABIT posted as soon as she saw it. Or said FUCK THE HABIT and simply set up another blog as the new CYSTW. The one conflict they had where they could actively give HABIT the finger and they...didn't.

I'm not saying they have to win a fight with him. But some kind of acknowledgement that they're doing more than shitting their pants over an internet troll would go a long way.
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 		Well, considering that HABIT has basically limited his acts to "mind games"(apologies to Ryan), maybe there's a more direct way for the guys to 'troll' him back?

Not that it would be wise, but if the guys are indeed under the protection of Slendy...maybe if we can get them to particpate in a gambit. Get HABIT to attack them and force Slendy's hand?

(We bring King Kong to Japan to fight Godzilla)

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 		THANKS FOR RUINING 19-2000 FOR ME, EMH. THANKS A WHOLE BUNCH.

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THANKS FOR RUINING 19-2000 FOR ME, EMH. THANKS A WHOLE BUNCH.


This. Also while we're at it I can't listen to "For Reverend Green" any more.

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I feel like I should point some things out...

Some pages back, I mentioned how HABIT could be seen as the Joker. He is CHAOS (see video titles) and he's always smiling. He's a force that never goes away. Even more, he is THE Habit...

From these two entries, we get the impression that he is working with Slenderman, or at least turning up where Slenderman goes. He is also invincible.

Jeff has hinted with his HoL-entry at a dual universe - even though the Rake seems to be completely unrelated in this context (HABIT did call it a pet, right?).

I get the impression that HABIT is "the devil" of this universe, while Slenderman is a protector of sorts. He does watch the children and takes them away - whatever happens, HE is the one who "gets" the children. He seems to be like a guardian angel of sorts, but much more abstract (especially involving the Rake).

I have said before that these characters stand for death, depression etc., and I think I stick to this. However, HABIT is a lot better defined now than the two others (although we get that Slenderman seems sort of a regulator, taking pain away and protecting people).

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