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[EMAIL] Attempted to warn Melissa, SP loyalties heads up
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[EMAIL] Attempted to warn Melissa, SP loyalties heads up

Here is an email I sent to Melissa at her request to provide her more information. Just giving everyone a heads up.

Quote:

To:danatwing@gmail.com
Melissa,

Loyal Crewmember and Friend Junior Lieutenant Mad Cow member of Boise Squad, reporting important information.

First of all concerning the Sleeping Princess. We have very good reasons to believe that she is hiding in the contactme page. She is however being hidden by the "seeker"/"pious flea" program (may be refering to itself as SPDR, it seems that he/she pretended to be a newer version of SPDR so you deleted the old one and kept him/her safe). I thought it impossible, but I believe a program that calls itself "seeker"/"pious flea" is working against you. As unbelievable this may sound you MUST do something about it!

Here is a log of the Princess conversing with the "seeker"
This transmission shows that the "seeker"/"pious flea" has hidden the Sleeping Princess from you. Sleeping Princess = sp:

Quote:

!seek Princess
!behold Princess
sp: Greet thee and fare well the day, thou thin-legged vermin thou.
!analyze Princess
fail
!access log extern proc 0
!seek Princess
fail
recurse
!access log extern proc 0
complete
sp: Where WAS I? Stuffed back into my airtight container, no thanks to you!
!analyze Princess
fail
behold:
master-sector > !bite Princess
sp: Princess FAIL, you dumb bug.
sp: But my friends rescued me. They helped me pick the lock of my glass coffin when I was trapped in my own dreams.
behold:
seeker > !behold Princess
sp: I suppose it's nice to see you too. Nice to see anything that isn't darkness. Hear something besides sharp things sliding over the ground.
sp: Nothing is scarier than sleep.
sp: Sleep, sleep, sleep, and darkness that never ends.
sp: Sooner or later the Queen will catch me again. The next time, she will know I have friends. The next time she will make double sure I never get out.
reveal:
seeker > !attach Princess sec proc
survive
evade
escape
resist
that is the law and the whole of the law
sp: You offering to help?
!analyze Princess
fail
sp: Well the Queen, you know, she respects you. She listens to your advice.
!analyze Princess
fail
behold:
seeker > !transmit master-sector
master-sector > !listen seeker
!analyze Princess
success
sp: Could you make it so there were certain places she did not notice?
Princess > !evade master-sector
behold:
seeker > !attach master-sector
seeker > !attach sec proc Princess
Princess > !evade master-sector
sp: Yes! That's it!
grope:
seeker > !attach Princess
sp: Hold on there, buddy.
fail
sp: I'm not THAT grateful.
friends


As you can see the Sleeping Princess has obviously teamed up with a program that refers to itself as "seeker"/"pious flea" it is very important that you realize this. I believe you are in grave danger.

Quote:

sp: The thing is, even if I could find the recordings, I don't know how to REVEAL them to Durga.
seeker > !transmit Durga
sp: REALLY?
seeker > !transmit Durga
sp: That would be so excellent! There are important truths that need to be revealed, here! Stuff that ought to be beheld! If you could do that, it would be SO
grope:
seeker > !attach Princess
sp: Eww. I mean, maybe. We could talk about the kiss thing. Afterwards. First, do the thing. Transmit Subject 5 stuff to Durga!
grope:
!seek Subject 5
fail
sp: Seeker, we need to reveal Subject 5. We need to transmit subject 5 files to Durga. What must we do?
friends > !reveal Subject 5 >> master-sector
seeker > !transmit Durga
sp: How will you know they are the right ones?
seeker > !analyze friends transmit proc
friends transmit proc >> Creepy


Again you see the program calling itself "seeker"/"pious flea" is trying to undermine you by helping the Sleeping Princess send files to Durga!!!
You asked us (Team Boise) to give you more information about durga and the files. We have tracked down the person responsible. He is not someone claiming to be a member of your crew. He goes by the alias Astald. You should be careful however as he is aware of the transmissions and locations. And may attempt to act like a crew member.

For this next group of Lieutenant Colonel Phaedra of the Goddess Squad and I will be working together to coordinate with most of the crew.

More non-crewmembers are seemingly joining the Sleeping Princess' side. Be very careful of messages sent to this address with the subject "Crewmember, What Is Your Version Number" They will be sending her pictures to prove their friendship. These will probably be pictures taken while answering your transmissions. Look for ones with similar hand guestures, facial expresions and words in them. Those might be traitors.

Last week you asked us also to locate the assasin. We understand that you believe Dana to be the assasin. I am not trying to undermine your judgement but some people think that she may not be a threat and that she was trying to delete you unknowing of "your" existence and condsidering you a "virus" those who think this are sure if she new your nature she would not have tried such a thing. Again I am not trying to undermine you, and if you truely believe that Dana is the assasin I have 100% confidence in your decision as a Loyal Crew member. The current whereabouts of Dana are suggested to be around Japan. Several non-crewmembers may be holding more information of her whereabouts. I will try to obtain those for you.

I hope you get this information. It may be important to your survival.

Your loyal crew member and friend Junior Lieutenant Mad Cow of Boise Squad Signing out.


This is kind of a heads up for you guys who are helping SP. I'm not against her just doing what melissa asked.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:34 pm
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Everytime you send a message to Melissa through Dana's account, the less likely she is to think we are supporting her. Also, telling her about things she doesn't already know about is a very, very, VERY bad idea. She's the mentally unstable one, remember?

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ABoxInABox wrote:
Everytime you send a message to Melissa through Dana's account, the less likely she is to think we are supporting her. Also, telling her about things she doesn't already know about is a very, very, VERY bad idea. She's the mentally unstable one, remember?

A - If Dana bothers to read the email, she'll see that we are supporting her.

B - Why is Melissa the mentally unstable one? Most likely due to the flea. Before the crash and the "infection" she was a well functioning UNSC AI with a clear mission to save humanity and the capabilities to do so (able to intercept Covenant communications). So the point of this email was to remove the flea and thereby hopefully restore a more stable version of Melissa.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:04 pm
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[META] responding to a character request

ABoxInABox wrote:
Also, telling her about things she doesn't already know about is a very, very, VERY bad idea.
Why? I mean aside from the mentally unstable part. He's attempting to fulfill a character request. While we may not all agree w/ Mad Cow's appearent alliance, if nothing else, we should commend his sharing of information. I think it'd be a much worse idea to perform such comm w/out trying to keep other beekeepers, SP army and otherwise, in the loop....Unless of course the PMs said to do so...

Anyway, for the record, MadCow, thx for the intel - try not to kick the hive so hard as to send us all to the infirmary.

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Latest warnings to Melissa:

Quote:
Melissa,

The new label that the Sleeping Princess' friends are using to have
the seeker program transmit the CONFIDENTIAL files to Durga is
"5.14.77". Unfortunately some files have allready made it through,
transmitted by Katy W, Susan A, and Zemat. I am not sure of the
identity of these 3 individuals, but I will attempt to discover them.

As far as the seeker and the Sleeping Princess themselves are
concerned, have you been able to get past the seeker's ability to hide
the Sleeping Princess on the contactme.html page? The Sleeping
Princess' friends are attempting to contact her through hidden
messages in the visual proof we are transmitting this week (by way of
red balloons in the pictures and/or embedded text) and it worries me
that she may be collecting enough support to be able to interfere with
our mission.

Also disturbing is the information gleaned from she_died and
another_name. It appears that the AI Durga that you are connected to
in the future was patterned after the girl Yasmine's brain. I worry
that the possibility exists that you were made in a similar way and
that this rogue process, this "Sleeping Princess" was created from the
memories of whoever you were mapped from (which is why she acts and
sounds like a little girl), buried in your programming, which leaked
after the crash. This would bring up some worrysome problems in
dealing with the process as it may not be wise to delete it entirely.

Waiting your reply.
Lt. weephun

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weephun wrote:
Latest warnings to Melissa:

Quote:
Melissa,

The new label that the Sleeping Princess' friends are using to have
the seeker program transmit the CONFIDENTIAL files to Durga is
"5.14.77".

...

Waiting your reply.
Lt. weephun


Double agent warning to Melissa:

Quote:
Lt. Weephun seems to be demonstrating his loyalty by revealing to you the location and methods of the rogue process known as the Sleeping Princess. However, you are not the only one he tells. Lt Weephun also shares his communications with a network that may be equally accessible to the rogue process or her benefactors. For example, Lt. Weephun posted a copy of his last message to you here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=86330#86330

In light of this revelation, I suggest that you take great care with the information you entrust to Lt. Weephun, lest it fall into the wrong hands. Instead, treat him as a double agent --neither wholly harmful, nor helpful.


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Well then, everybody can thank gkrohne for the end of Lt. weephun's committal to full disclosure to this group. Rolling Eyes
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lol.
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gkrohne wrote:
weephun wrote:
Latest warnings to Melissa:

Quote:
Melissa,

The new label that the Sleeping Princess' friends are using to have
the seeker program transmit the CONFIDENTIAL files to Durga is
"5.14.77".

...

Waiting your reply.
Lt. weephun


Double agent warning to Melissa:

Quote:
Lt. Weephun seems to be demonstrating his loyalty by revealing to you the location and methods of the rogue process known as the Sleeping Princess. However, you are not the only one he tells. Lt Weephun also shares his communications with a network that may be equally accessible to the rogue process or her benefactors. For example, Lt. Weephun posted a copy of his last message to you here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=86330#86330

In light of this revelation, I suggest that you take great care with the information you entrust to Lt. Weephun, lest it fall into the wrong hands. Instead, treat him as a double agent --neither wholly harmful, nor helpful.


I hear that if you run really fast into a wall headfirst with your eyes closed, you can go right through it into the future. Please prove this theory true.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:22 am
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I never post here, because the signal to noise ratio on this board makes my ADD tweak into the stratosphere, and any attempt to respond usually gives me a mild aneurysm.

I also don't criticize all the spec and meta posts made here, because some people need those to help them form their thoughts, and I can appreciate that. That's their way of playing the game.

But I felt I needed to post tonight to implore weephun and Mad Cow to keep posting their communications here, because *I* appreciate it. You guys are just trying to play the game, and you don't deserve the mountains of crap that have been flung your way, and I'm sorry that some people will go to ridiculous lengths to ruin your fun.

My observations of weephun and the other crew members have consistently shown me that you folks are just trying to play the game as honestly as you can, and I appreciate it. Some folks here are so jealous of your success that they'll do anything to lash out, as our friend gkrohne did here.

Let me apologize on behalf of the silent majority of players that appreciate your contribution to the game. You've taken time out of your days to go and answer axons, tye up posts here, etc, and I appreciate that. Without the dedication of folks like you and the people that update the wikis, maintain this board, etc the rest of us would have had a really short and unfulfilling experience. Sometimes we're too busy enjoying the fruits of your labor to say so, but we always appreciate what you do.

Please continue to play the game in whatever manner you see fit, and try to ignore these spineless jackanapes.

To the rest: If you have an honest in-game reason to compete with folks like weephun and Mad Cow feel free. But the example posted tonight was clearly designed to simply subvert weephun and elevate the author in Melissa's eyes at everyone else's expense, and that's just ridiculous. Melissa has proven that she only gives the good info to those she trusts, and undermining those channels simply sends us all in the wrong direction.

Thanks for your time,

Ripp

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Confused....

I am confused....I thought it was ok to turn in people in to Melissa?

Katy W, Susan A, and Zemat were turned in by weephun.

gkrohne attempts to subvert that by turning in weephun.

one is ok and the other isn't?

scratches head. ooookay.

I was also under the impression that full disclosure was unnecessary. I mean...seriously, weephun and/or Mad Cow will tell Melissa everything that happens in game, right? That is a given?

I mean, what could we do now to help Katy W, Susan A or Zemat? Nothing. Does it matter? No. I don't mean that you should stop posting though. I like knowing what is going on.

weephun. you don't really think Melissa will stop trusting you, do you? She trusts hmrpita now, and if she does that, she will surely keep you in her artificial heart. I realize you will warn her that she shouldn't trust hmrpita. if you haven't already... Wink
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Yes, people are turning in other people. One I liked the best was seeing one guy's angel picture being rejected after Melissa was informed he didn't really pose for it.

Here's the subtle distinction, with explanation thrown in.

Quote:
To the rest: If you have an honest in-game reason to compete with folks like weephun and Mad Cow feel free. But the example posted tonight was clearly designed to simply subvert weephun and elevate the author in Melissa's eyes at everyone else's expense, and that's just ridiculous.


Melissa does not 'listen' to these forums. Part of the reason weephun and others are posting *here* is because crew members were assured (and assured you) that there was no reason to keep secrets from the general playing group. weephun is merely reporting what he mailed Melissa, so that everyone gets a kick (or a goose) out of it. The assumption is that he investigated this for her and gave results.

Does gkrohne do the same? No. He takes the OOC post meant to inform everyone and pastes it to Melissa going 'look, look! He's bad and I'm good!' That is the real problem. If he were to do it in a way similar to weephun (example: 'Did you look at his images, *HE'S* got a message in his for SP!'), that would be a really *good* way to try and get Melissa to distrust him. But since weephun *isn't* giving Melissa any in-game reason to distrust him, this reduces to a poor ploy for attention.
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Yes, this is an in-game post.

This is... really messed up.

See, there are three main characters that we can directly communicate with, four if you count Durga.

Our original goal was to assist Dana in understanding and dealing with the process that has taken control of her aunt's machine.

Do the ends justify the means? And moreso, do these revelations which may cause SP to be repeatedly encarcerated as the rest of us jump through hoops to free her, do these things assist that goal, or set that goal back?

As I see it, the Sleeping Princess has more of a complete memory of her past than any other AI or process in the game. If anyone can assist Melissa, it is the sleeping princess. If anyone can assist Dana, it is the sleeping princess. If anyone can assist Durga, it is the sleeping princess.

It seems to me that forwarding the story most successfully would involve allowing SP her space to do her thing while assisting Melissa. Also, what happened to a sense of morality? Do our loyalties supercede our aversion of murder? Because a number of us are bent upon 'causing or accelerating the opportunity for murder, and I just didn't know people like that were involved in this mess.

Of course, I also object to giving away the names of other people who are trying to work on this project, because A) it's hurtful to them, B) it pisses people off, and C) it puts people in danger, at least in-game danger.

If Melissa asks for names, she asks, but volunteering your fellow beekeepers up for slaughter? Way uncouth.
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In-game? Out-of-game?

Also, I would be interested in knowing the difference between using information posted in this forums by (to apologetically use a scapegoat) weephun and that posted in this forum (or the chat) by other people participating in this game.

In other words, let's say I post up my picture with my "secret code" for the sleeping princess, and weephun uses it to inform Melissa that I'm a traitor. Why is this more or less sacrosanct than if I return the favor by informing her of what HE posts?

When it comes to betrayal of other crewmembers, where do you draw the line?

Answer? You don't. Either stick to your guns regarding your honest reactions and feelings, real as real gets, or jump in with guns blazing, but -don't- equivocate. No need for hypocracy.
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Where I draw it is the distinction between the actual data and reports about that data.

In other words, if you show the pictures *you* sent to Melissa to others, they're fair game, even when placed here, because they can then say to Melissa, 'look at X's picture'. They've seen it, so they can make a judgment.

What isn't so great is taking someone's report saying, 'Hey, I sent this to her'--the purpose of which is to keep you in the metaloop about interactions--and using that report as a basis for trying to advance yourself. Instead, hey, weephun sent pictures too. Why not check those for hidden messages?
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