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KingJ
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this new chapter is crazy.

most new that since he started talking about his sister that she was one of the AI on the site. so durga=SP=melissa. so what is the SPDR?

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This part had sad and funny parts. Sad obviously the glassing of Coral. But during the first part of the Jersey/Durga series when she was in the dispenser: HILARITY!!
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Last week was about the impact of things that were bigger than you, things you thought you were safe from...


.. this week was the impact of the biggest fears in their lives. (Synthetic or not.)


But it was also full of totally contrasting emotions.. so sad, and so humorous, within moments of each other.. crazy. My eyes are still sort of wet, from listening to she_died again...
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KingJ wrote:
this new chapter is crazy.

most new that since he started talking about his sister that she was one of the AI on the site. so durga=SP=melissa. so what is the SPDR?


I think (and it's spec that has probably been posted by others) that the SPDR was a mechanism used to either make, control or simply maintain/repair the AI. Hence the SP's beach dream about a boy whose face was eaten by spiders which might have been a visualization of an attempt (possibly failed) the SP witnessed at making an AI from his brain.

This weeks wavs are very interesting. Can't wait to see the fallout of the Kamal's sister thing when the SP posts this week. Also, Durga seems to recognize she has a guardian angel now in black_three_sugars.wav. Definitely food for thought when speculating on the Flea's role (personally I think that he's a backup system put in place to keep Melissa true to her mission... the whole Pious part of his name and all that).

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I think the whole Pious Flea = Covenant thing was a red herring, or rather a mass misinterpretation. This story, so far at least, isn't about the Covenant, it's about humans and humanity. I would be very surprised if the Flea did turn out to be a Covenant creation at the end of it all.

Onto some idle [SPEC]...
We've assumed since the beginning that the Flea's changing of Melissa's operational guidelines from 'survive, evade, resist, escape', to 'survive, evade, reveal, escape' was a bad thing because of the underhanded way in which he was doing it. However, it's all just a matter of perspective.

Let's say Melissa, Durga and the SP are part of the same AI, which is looking more and more likely. The Flea sees the SPDR running rampant over Melissa's memories, deleting the details of who she is in an attempt to get her working again. It removes the SPDR to stop this. It then begins persuading Melissa to seek, behold, and reveal the truth.

Melissa was a military AI aboard a spy ship, but now she isn't. Now she's a disjointed section of an AI, lost and alone. The only way to resolve this situation is for her to discover who she is - that's the truth. That's what she needs to find out. Her original mission is no longer valid. She needed a new one, and the Flea gave it to her.

That's why the Flea is trying to talk to the Princess - because she is another part of this, and the Flea wants to put all three of them back together. Why else would it transmit to Durga? Why else would it hide the Princess from Melissa's misguided attempts to contain her?

I guess this is a sub-spec, as it doesn't detail where the Flea came from, why it was put there, etc etc, so I expect it will be picked apart in relatively short order. I do also like the idea of the Flea being Herzog's creation, trying to reveal to him details about the artifact, so I'm not entirely sold on this spec myself, it's just something that crossed my mind. Very Happy
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Also the fact that Melissa still considers the Covenant to be our enemy after the Flea has began manipulating her. I guess he is also considered to be one of the SP's crewmembers:
Sleeping Princess wrote:
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Astald wrote:
Also the fact that Melissa still considers the Covenant to be our enemy after the Flea has began manipulating her.


Yeah, that's a really good point. Very Happy
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I don't know why, but another_name suddenly made me get all teary-eyed. It may just be that it's nearly 2 in the morning and I'm mentally weary, but for some reason it cut me deep... but earlier when I listened to it, I got nothin'.

Creepy...

EDIT: Just to clarify that I wasn't sobbing like a baby in a spent diaper.[/i]

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Wav Timeline for J&D(as far as sleep deprived brain can figure)

EDIT: nevermind, they are all HERE Thanks vpisteve

and on another note. at :08 in Military_application, between "scary" and "I though you handled it fine" Im hearing a word, but it isnt Quite clear enough for me. sound like jersey? whats he saying?


ok.. the tank is dry. time for bed
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New assembled wavs up here (scroll to the bottom).
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inpheaux
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KingJ wrote:
most new that since he started talking about his sister that she was one of the AI on the site. so durga=SP=melissa. so what is the SPDR?

the SPDR is a subroutine, System Peril Distributed Reflex. it activates like a reflex after something Large has gone wrong. it does selective memory cleaning in accordance with the cole protocol, etc, to make sure the AI in question doesn't fall into the wrong hands.

it didn't wipe everything of note on The Operator, because it was subverted and replaced by the pious flea. since even after the PF took over, The Operator still believes the covenant to be our enemy, that means the flea is either forerunner [still very possible] or something completely different.

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well.....

I know that the most widely accepted theory is that
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Melissa=Durga=SP
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That theory, however, is still SPEC. And it has been specced throughout this forum, far and wide, and all over the place so we don't need to discuss it here. Just a quick reminder:

What we know:

Melissa and Durga mirror each other in a way that allows what seems to be almost instanteous communication, even though Melissa is now in a timeframe which is about 500 years earlier than Durga's timeframe. We think we have confirmed that Durga is an ai based on Yasmine.

The Pious Flea can control this information flow somewhat. He can use Melissa to communicate with Durga.

We don't know what the Sleeping Princess is yet. Melissa is her enemy. She is older than Melissa. Durga has never mentioned her. The Sleeping Princess knows about Durga because of the waves and from the PF.

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Edit to add: just to keep it interesting. I still think the PF is Covenant. He is trying to access the truth which is the location of the artifact. The PF is a stealth spy program that controls information flow; he is not going to advertise his presence by taking over Melissa and turning her into an obvious Covenant tool. His changes are subtle - not even Melissa was certain at first whether she had been infected.
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Re: well.....

rose wrote:
I know that the most widely accepted theory is that
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Melissa=Durga=SP


That theory, however, is still SPEC. And it has been specced throughout this forum, far and wide, and all over the place so we don't need to discuss it here. Just a quick reminder:

What we know:
<snip>
We don't know what the Sleeping Princess is yet. Melissa is her enemy. She is older than Melissa. Durga has never mentioned her. The Sleeping Princess knows about Durga because of the waves and from the PF.


I've been wondering about the SP-Melissa relationship and couldn't help but think back to this bit from one of the SPs 404 messages:

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She likes high places, the Queen does, so she has moved all her stuff up into the Tower. The Tower is a tricky place for me to go. The only way up there is a pair of spiral staircases that wind around one another, with no rail and a very scary drop down the middle. Plus there's nowhere to hide, really, on a staircase.


At the time, there was a lot of SPEC that the "pair of spiral staircases" referred to strands of DNA. More and more I think it makes sense that the SP is the human (possibly Yasmine) part of Melissa, who can 'escape' from time to time until the AI part stuffs her back in the glass coffin (i.e., represses/encrypts her somehow). This is why we could call to the SP over the phone when Melissa was distracted/distraught. It also explains how SP knows so much about what Melissa has been up to and the contents of the sound files. The SP is able to retrieve these voices that Melissa doesn't want us to know about because she is there inside Melissa as well. Now, I haven't quite figured out yet how she can communicate with us and the PF without Melissa knowing, but clearly it has to be when Melissa's attention is elsewhere...

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Re: well.....

nevermind
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Rose,
If we listen to the voice acting in the new Jersey audio clips and compare them the the audio we heard from the SP when we freed her, I believe that it is one in the same. We can hear a young girl coming through Durga's voice when Jersey is explaining where she came from and I'm sure it's the same voice as the SP.
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