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lunaticfish
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 		*Has also kept playing, even after her bumbling post on symbolism earlier.
I think the first sign does confirm a fear we had way back on the Rose incident- that HABIT uses "Rabbit" as a general endearment in his messages, and not only for use on Rabbits of the trials. So the "early warning system", if it was ever even a very good one, is out.
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 		FYI someone on the SA thread posted a playthrough they found. I don't remember the link but it's on youtube somewhere.

I'm pretty sure the stray blocks on the roof are a dead end. I don't see any morse code or braille patterns in their layout. If anyone else wants to try seeing if there's a code hidden here, they can take a crack at it. Here's a screenshot of the roof, with the strays marked with dirt blocks that I've placed. You're looking at it from a tower I made, rising from the center of the large raised platform off to one side of the roof (I also placed the bed on the platform, so I could skip nights while puzzling this out):



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Didn't someone say they were going to make a video? If it's not too much hassle...please?


This one was added to the wiki. I don't have the experience to know if it's a good play through or not. But it's what I can offer you.



YouTube: Link

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zbeeblebrox wrote:
I'm pretty sure the stray blocks on the roof are a dead end. I don't see any morse code or braille patterns in their layout.]


If you rotate the screenshot 90 degrees counterclockwise, it is vaguely reminiscent of Snoopy. This is clearly significant. Wink

But thanks! I appreciate the link to the Minecraft wiki from earlier, but this is getting closer to what I was hoping players could explain to non-players. I'm guessing that some of the blocks on the roof being different from other blocks is something that had to be done intentionally? And the thing with obsidian blocks in a chest, is that something they had to put in when designing the level? What does obsidian mean within the context of the game? That sort of thing.

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 		AHA. I knew I was doing this for nothing. I found more!
(Probably found already but I just have to give it a chance!)

I don't know if it was naturally made or what but if it's set on peaceful are monster spawners still spawned? because if not it was made by HABIT. I found a cave that is massively large so far two dungeons with two chests each nothing speacial in them 2 spawners one skeleton and one spider.

I will update as progress goes on!

So many turns and go one way or the other,jeez...

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 		Luipaard's herp derpy thoughts on life, EMH and everything.
Something I realized on the way to the movies today (also borrowing from the theories and thoughts of my fellow HYBRIDS):

The Centralia note's phrase is: SHADE'S PASSWORD TO THE UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. This lead us to new notes about Corenthal.

THIS MAKES CORENTHAL THE UNRELIABLE NARRATOR, NOT JEFF.

We decided that password was "pity" as per Pale Fire. This lead us to the Minecraft file which led us to the 1995 document.

This first half of this document was about Corenthal being cussed out by his colleagues because they thought he murdered/raped/otherwise abused the Mining Town Four. This is the example of him being an Unreliable Narrator: he would have us believe that he adored and took good care of the Mining Town Four. However, their situation degenerated to the point that the rest of the world sat up and took notice.

This does not mean that Corenthal is not a positive force; the boys in Candle Cove obvious hold a lot of affection for him. But it does mean that we can't trust any document that comes from him: he's lying, to himself and to the person that he is writing these letters to.

Coming to the second half of the 1995 document: Corenthal's act of pity. Milo was not his patient, was never under his care, and yet by good fortune, he understood the boy's story and tried to help him. A child he had only just met, and who pained him (through no fault of his own) by his resemblance to his deceased children; and this act of pity did him good.

He got a piece of black cloth, that we suspect to be a piece of the Slenderman himself. This lead to the creation of the detecting device that the boys went and broke like idiots. Evil or Very Mad He also learned more about his children's fate, that they "had already been there" (wherever "there" is.)

An interesting caveat: Jeff, Evan, Vince and Damsel had all been born by 1995. Evan would not have yet turned 5 years old by July 22/23, 1995. Vince would have had his 4th birthday. Jeff would not be far behind, and I'm willing to bet Damsel would be the same. Jeff's mother would likely have been pregnant with Alex at this point as well, if he had not been born already.

THIS MEANS THAT THE MINING TOWN FOUR HAD ALREADY BEEN "THERE" AND HAD RETURNED TO OUR WORLD, HENCE WHY MILO USED THE PAST TENSE. End caveat.

And now my thoughts on the cycle.

I think that the cycle is a product of Corenthal's love and pity. He seeks to free his children from the grip of HABIT, Slenderman and the Rake. His pity lead to his love of them, which lead to "iterations" being created so that he would find out more and more to free them.

Quote:
Evan: Yeah he put up a hell of a fight, though. The guy was a fucking champ.

...

Jeff: That's like 30 something years that guy trucked on.
Vincent: For us, it was all for us too.
Evan: If he didn't piss off those fucking things...


I think this means that simple feeling of pity might play a very large part in this story.

Think of the parts describing the boys: the Firebrand, the Voyeur and the Guardian. The Firebrand will commit suicide; the Voyeur shall be brought to justice; and the Guardian will die by his own fault, for being a mortal and challenging a god.

But if the Firebrand was treated with pity for his suffering, perhaps he will not kill himself, and find the strength to continue. If the Voyeur is given pity for his subversion and betrayals, perhaps he will be spared the justice he deserves and shall mend the faults he created. If the Guardian receives pity then perhaps he shall hold back from challenging the god, and will grieve cleanly without tainting it with rage and delusions, and thus can defeat the god by hidden paths, without direct confrontation that would surely kill him.

To pity a person, one must love him on some level. Mercy and forgiveness are essential parts of love.

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 		I am far from convinced Corenthal is a total goody-two-shoes, but I do think the public assuming the worst of him re: the kids is a natural reaction. Narratively it makes sense that he would be blamed if no one knows the truth. I don't think the material we've found guarantees that he did something awful to them, though it would not surprise me.

I also think the iterations and the cycle pre-date Corenthal, or at least the Centralia 4. But I may be wrong.
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qaqa wrote:
I am far from convinced Corenthal is a total goody-two-shoes, but I do think the public assuming the worst of him re: the kids is a natural reaction. Narratively it makes sense that he would be blamed if no one knows the truth. I don't think the material we've found guarantees that he did something awful to them, though it would not surprise me.

I also think the iterations and the cycle pre-date Corenthal, or at least the Centralia 4. But I may be wrong.


True on all counts. For all that we've gained, we don't know very much more than what we started out with. :/
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qaqa wrote:
I am far from convinced Corenthal is a total goody-two-shoes, but I do think the public assuming the worst of him re: the kids is a natural reaction.


I would totally be in that camp if it weren't for the accusation of rape, which to me seems awfully specific and indicative of some sort of investigation or outside involvement before the MT4 succumbed. I could easily be over-reading, though.

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I also think the iterations and the cycle pre-date Corenthal, or at least the Centralia 4. But I may be wrong.


I'm totally with you there, if only for the fact that a cycle with only two iterations isn't really much of a cycle at all.

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Mattwan wrote:
zbeeblebrox wrote:
I'm pretty sure the stray blocks on the roof are a dead end. I don't see any morse code or braille patterns in their layout.]


If you rotate the screenshot 90 degrees counterclockwise, it is vaguely reminiscent of Snoopy. This is clearly significant. Wink

But thanks! I appreciate the link to the Minecraft wiki from earlier, but this is getting closer to what I was hoping players could explain to non-players. I'm guessing that some of the blocks on the roof being different from other blocks is something that had to be done intentionally? And the thing with obsidian blocks in a chest, is that something they had to put in when designing the level? What does obsidian mean within the context of the game? That sort of thing.


The big obsidian box, and its irregularities had to be hand-sculpted, yeah. HABIT probably used INVedit or a similar program to load up on the stuff, since it's rather difficult to obtain - you'd have to find a a lot of lava source blocks to make that much, and the work required would have almost certainly been detected by now.

The 11 obsidian blocks in the chest, plus the one that was found sitting in the water are (slightly more than) enough to construct a portal to the nether (read: Hell). they also had to be intentional.

To boil down the significance of obsidian during a normal game to a few statements:
-It's hard to acquire
-It's insanely durable, and (almost) bombproof.
-Until dye was added and sheep had different shades of wool, It saw a lot of use as the "black" parts of pixel art.
-It's necessary to reach the nether.


WestRoadSal wrote:
AHA. I knew I was doing this for nothing. I found more!
(Probably found already but I just have to give it a chance!)

I don't know if it was naturally made or what but if it's set on peaceful are monster spawners still spawned? because if not it was made by HABIT. I found a cave that is massively large so far two dungeons with two chests each nothing speacial in them 2 spawners one skeleton and one spider.

I will update as progress goes on!

So many turns and go one way or the other,jeez...


Dungeons are generated along with the rest of the map, regardless of difficulty, chests and spawners included. The only player-created spawners are pig spawners, like the ones in the black box. You're probably investigating a nearby natural cave system.

By the way, has anyone found some kind of pattern to the deforestation yet? HABIT had to have a reason for taking out chunks of trees all over the place. (Although said reason MAY have been just to mess with us.)

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 		Quick Question:

Has anyone notified the guys on our recent discoveries? I've been wondering because this Dr. Roberts guy sounds like a person they can contact (if he isn't dead).


Heck, we should probably tell Noah from TT about the letter about Milo.

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 		You know, I'm not sure they have been informed of all of this. I definitely agree that they need to try to contact Dr. Roberts, though; he seems like a guy who could have a lot of information about Corenthal, though I doubt he knows anything about the current situation. He does seem to have known enough to avoid testing the Slenderscrap himself, though...unless I'm just reading too much into that.

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 		I told them about the Slender-detector and linked to the post that had pasted in the document about Dr. Roberts - it was all there in the text of the message. Beyond that, nothing.
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 		Re: Luipaard's herp derpy thoughts on life, EMH and everything.
Luipaard wrote:
Something I realized on the way to the movies today (also borrowing from the theories and thoughts of my fellow HYBRIDS):

The Centralia note's phrase is: SHADE'S PASSWORD TO THE UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. This lead us to new notes about Corenthal.

THIS MAKES CORENTHAL THE UNRELIABLE NARRATOR, NOT JEFF.

We decided that password was "pity" as per Pale Fire. This lead us to the Minecraft file which led us to the 1995 document.

This first half of this document was about Corenthal being cussed out by his colleagues because they thought he murdered/raped/otherwise abused the Mining Town Four. This is the example of him being an Unreliable Narrator: he would have us believe that he adored and took good care of the Mining Town Four. However, their situation degenerated to the point that the rest of the world sat up and took notice.

This does not mean that Corenthal is not a positive force; the boys in Candle Cove obvious hold a lot of affection for him. But it does mean that we can't trust any document that comes from him: he's lying, to himself and to the person that he is writing these letters to.

Coming to the second half of the 1995 document: Corenthal's act of pity. Milo was not his patient, was never under his care, and yet by good fortune, he understood the boy's story and tried to help him. A child he had only just met, and who pained him (through no fault of his own) by his resemblance to his deceased children; and this act of pity did him good.

He got a piece of black cloth, that we suspect to be a piece of the Slenderman himself. This lead to the creation of the detecting device that the boys went and broke like idiots. Evil or Very Mad He also learned more about his children's fate, that they "had already been there" (wherever "there" is.)

An interesting caveat: Jeff, Evan, Vince and Damsel had all been born by 1995. Evan would not have yet turned 5 years old by July 22/23, 1995. Vince would have had his 4th birthday. Jeff would not be far behind, and I'm willing to bet Damsel would be the same. Jeff's mother would likely have been pregnant with Alex at this point as well, if he had not been born already.

THIS MEANS THAT THE MINING TOWN FOUR HAD ALREADY BEEN "THERE" AND HAD RETURNED TO OUR WORLD, HENCE WHY MILO USED THE PAST TENSE. End caveat.

And now my thoughts on the cycle.

I think that the cycle is a product of Corenthal's love and pity. He seeks to free his children from the grip of HABIT, Slenderman and the Rake. His pity lead to his love of them, which lead to "iterations" being created so that he would find out more and more to free them.

Quote:
Evan: Yeah he put up a hell of a fight, though. The guy was a fucking champ.

...

Jeff: That's like 30 something years that guy trucked on.
Vincent: For us, it was all for us too.
Evan: If he didn't piss off those fucking things...


I think this means that simple feeling of pity might play a very large part in this story.

Think of the parts describing the boys: the Firebrand, the Voyeur and the Guardian. The Firebrand will commit suicide; the Voyeur shall be brought to justice; and the Guardian will die by his own fault, for being a mortal and challenging a god.

But if the Firebrand was treated with pity for his suffering, perhaps he will not kill himself, and find the strength to continue. If the Voyeur is given pity for his subversion and betrayals, perhaps he will be spared the justice he deserves and shall mend the faults he created. If the Guardian receives pity then perhaps he shall hold back from challenging the god, and will grieve cleanly without tainting it with rage and delusions, and thus can defeat the god by hidden paths, without direct confrontation that would surely kill him.

To pity a person, one must love him on some level. Mercy and forgiveness are essential parts of love.

/pretentious


Makes a huge amount of sense to me. I wouldn't think the pity theme would be all over the place like it is just because of one password. It never seems to be that easy with EMH.

Would comment more, but it's very late here. But you may have hit on a way for the boys to save themselves from what I have thought looks like an increasingly sad end.

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Mattwan wrote:
qaqa wrote:
I am far from convinced Corenthal is a total goody-two-shoes, but I do think the public assuming the worst of him re: the kids is a natural reaction.


I would totally be in that camp if it weren't for the accusation of rape, which to me seems awfully specific and indicative of some sort of investigation or outside involvement before the MT4 succumbed. I could easily be over-reading, though.

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I also think the iterations and the cycle pre-date Corenthal, or at least the Centralia 4. But I may be wrong.


I'm totally with you there, if only for the fact that a cycle with only two iterations isn't really much of a cycle at all.


It's not the first time someone's been accused of being a rapist either. That's what Corenthal called Officer Matten when he called about the children being in Memory Town.

Of course, we only have Corenthal's word for that.

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Makes a huge amount of sense to me. I wouldn't think the pity theme would be all over the place like it is just because of one password. It never seems to be that easy with EMH.

Would comment more, but it's very late here. But you may have hit on a way for the boys to save themselves from what I have thought looks like an increasingly sad end.


Thanks! I hope that its a viable route and that they have the strength to pull it off. I really want these boys to survive.
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