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[SPEC] Who is totheark?
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silverbackpie
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Ok, I've only recently started watching, and have just finished going through the whole series.

A theory I've come up with whilst watching is that perhaps 'totheark' is two different people, ol' Masky and the Sad Masked Man that returned the camera.

I'm not quite sure how I came to this conclusion, but now I think about it, it does make a lot of sense. Firstly, the word 'ark'. In a religious sense, the ark represents the ship Noah built to save everyone - everything comes in twos. That would suggest the idea of two figures or people. But, also, you've got the idea of the 'Ark of the Covenant', the box used to hold the tablet on which the Ten Commandments were inscribed. This leads on to my next idea.

Perhaps, the two figures represent some sort of 'good and evil'. Perhaps, they are the equivalent of the 'angel' and 'devil' on your shoulder. As we've seen, one is bad - Masky- who continually attacks and torments Alex and Jay. The other, whilst seen only briefly, returning Jay's camera, could represent good. This is also maybe related to the masks they wear - the camera-returning one, who I will dub 'Saddo', had more of a sad mask.

More support for this would come from the various videos on 'totheark'. For example, initially, it seemed as though he may be helping - telling Jay to check his sleep footage, go to the Red Tower. However, some of the videos are more sinister - 'Warning' and 'Entry #####' come to mind. This would seem that 'totheark' is in two minds about what he does, whether he i'ases suggest this as well - for example, the video 'Inquiry' had the phrase: "DO I HELP OR DO I KILL".

Then, going back to the idea of the Commandments and Religion. The Commandments are guidelines by how to live - perhaps the Operator has guidelines by which you follow, and if you divulge from them, then he sends Masky after you. But, he wouldn't be a god without some sort of compassion - he helps by sending Saddo. Or maybe they don;t work for the Operator, but are like the different sides of a coin.

Anyway, that's my theory about who 'totheark' is. xD

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Susil
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silverbackpie wrote:
I'm not quite sure how I came to this conclusion, but now I think about it, it does make a lot of sense. Firstly, the word 'ark'. In a religious sense, the ark represents the ship Noah built to save everyone - everything comes in twos. That would suggest the idea of two figures or people. But, also, you've got the idea of the 'Ark of the Covenant', the box used to hold the tablet on which the Ten Commandments were inscribed. This leads on to my next idea.

Perhaps, the two figures represent some sort of 'good and evil'. Perhaps, they are the equivalent of the 'angel' and 'devil' on your shoulder. As we've seen, one is bad - Masky- who continually attacks and torments Alex and Jay. The other, whilst seen only briefly, returning Jay's camera, could represent good. This is also maybe related to the masks they wear - the camera-returning one, who I will dub 'Saddo', had more of a sad mask.


Yo

The difficulty with the "angel on the shoulder" idea is that Marble Hornets really doesn't seem to deal in black and white, good/evil type morality. Even the tall skinny stalker is presented as being less of an active evil and more force of nature. So I doubt that there is an answer so straightforward as there's one good masky and one nasty one. However, it might be possible to read the TTA videos in terms of an inner (for TTA) kind of struggle. Perhaps the person making the videos is one of a number of TTA-teammates, but somehow the team is fracturing - they are no longer sure where their allegances lie. Who knows, if its a team, perhaps the hooded character was actually going behind the collective backs of TTA - hence the new attire instead of the previous team mask.

Hm, not convinced of what I just wrote. Never mind.

On the Noah's Ark front, the 'two-by-two' link doesn't seem to have been explored much here. Are you suggesting that Jay and Jessica ending up in that hotel together are a sort of "pair" that was brought together, animals-into-the-ark style?

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Capercorn
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I'm starting to think that TTA is Brian, and that TTA appears to be against the Operator.

Here is why. I apologize in advanced for the Wall-O-Text.

I am also going with the hypothesis that the Hoody-TTA identity is correct, based on their mutual obsession with water.
For one, we know that TTA filmed J in his car, very shortly after Tim got his leg smashed.
So, for me, that rules out the possibility that Tim is TTA. Furthermore, J has speculated that TiMasky is TTA, and given that J is an Unreliable Narrator, I seriously doubt that hypothesis.

I also doubt that TTA is Alex, due to the content of Fragments.

We also know that TTA was connected to the original filming of Marble Hornets, due to TTA having the audio to many of the entries.
Given that Hoody lacked the anatomy that Sarah appeared to have, that leaves us with Brian as the only remaining possibility.

So, that is my proof by exhaustion.

Now for my positive case for Brian:

Back in S1, J received an anonymous tip as to some place that he should go investigate. That place was Brian's house. J found clues in Brian's house, and the interior of the house was changed every time J went to visit.

Second, in Advocate [advocate of course being somebody who is working in one's favor], the footage is of Brian's face. I take this as TTA literally saying, "This is who I am, and I am on your side" in that video [albeit, in a way that probably makes perfect sense to TTA, but to no one else].

Furthermore, Brian is still missing, but has never been stated to be dead.

This leads me to believe, barring further evidence, that TTA is Brian.

Now, for what I believe TTA's motives are:

I believe that given TTA's attempts to lead J in the right direction [and of course, returning J's camera], that TTA is working against the Operator.

Now, we know that TTA had been silent prior to J posting the entries.

It is also known that in the Slenderverse, that the Slender Man stalks two types of people: those marked from childhood, and those who find out to much. I have no reason to suspect that the rules are different with the Operator.

Now, the world was ignorant of the Operator prior to J posting the entries.

But now that he has, we all know about the Operator. We are all marked now, and the metaphorical flood gates have been opened.

I fear that the Operator's intends to suppress knowledge of its existence, first via harassment by slender-slaves [such as Masky], but should the slaves fail, the Operator may deal with problems personally.

After silencing J, it would stand to reason that the Operator would then try to go after us. This is where TTA steps in. TTA is trying to prevent this from happening.

He has been leading J in the right direction to locate this "ark," which I suspect contains the secret to banishing the Operator, or saving us all.

It is also obvious that TTA knows a lot more of what's going on than anyone else, save the Operator itself. I suspect now that Warning may have been a literal Warning to J. [Eyes Open: Keep your camera on. Stay home: You're safe at home. Be alone: Stay away from Masky. <multitude>: DO NOT DRAW THE OPERATOR SYMBOL.], and that Entry ###### was posted by Masky, and directed to TTA. Note that TTA went silent after that entry was posted, and didn't do anything until after Tim's leg was smashed.

So, that's what I think and why.

And unless evidence comes along pointing to the contrary, I believe that Brian is TTA, and that TTA is our ally, and J's ally as well [unless TTA finds J useless, a la "should I help or should I kill].
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FossilizedSauce
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I've figured Brian was TTA since we saw that the figure outside of Jay's car was indeed Totheark. You have good logic there, but now with this shakeup about TTA being multiple people (which isn't really THAT far fetched considering all of the different styles used in the videos), the waters are muddied even more than they were before.

I think the "more than one person" craze started when Jay made the suggestion on twitter. I kind of hope it doesn't work out that way, but I'd live with it since there is notable potential.

If TTA is comprised of multiple people, at least one of them just HAS to be Brian, in my opinion.

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Capercorn
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I would give credit to the "multiple TTAs" theory, but given that it was suggested by everyone's favorite Unreliable Narrator, and given his immense quantities of herp derp, it leads me to believe it unlikely.

Furthermore, I'm not certain if "HE LIES" refers to Alex or J. If it J, then J is deliberately misleading us.

Either way, J cannot be trusted, due to malice or herp derp.
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Chest Cam Avenger
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FossilizedSauce wrote:

I think the "more than one person" craze started when Jay made the suggestion on twitter. I kind of hope it doesn't work out that way, but I'd live with it since there is notable potential.



Eh... The theory was pretty popular before that tweet, it just feels like it has more evidence now. I will admit that I wasn't in the multiple TTAs camp until the tweet.

EDIT: Just to avoid a double-post... Has anyone ever heard of the zodiac killer? A psychopath in the late '60s, early '70s in California. I just happened upon an article about him, and... Well, he bares some strange similarities to our friend, totheark.

Check it out.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer_letters

He writes taunting letters to the investigators.
He leaves clues and challenges.
He seems to be obsessed with encryption and puzzles.
His calling card/mark is the freaking operator symbol, rotated slightly.

And, oh yeah,



F'in hoody.

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onetruepurple
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The Operator symbol appeared first in the Something Awful "Create paranormal images" thread as far as I know (not in a Victor Surge post though). Connecting TTA with Zodiac by the symbol would be a little stretch.

The rest is sort of right, except being cryptic as shit is pretty much characteristic to every mad man on Earth, not just Zodiac. Razz

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onetruepurple wrote:
The Operator symbol appeared first in the Something Awful "Create paranormal images" thread as far as I know (not in a Victor Surge post though).


Really? I didn't know that.
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Capercorn
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You know, I had an idea that could be tested.

Would it be possible to determine the identity of Hoody by comparing body proportions with other members of the original cast?

I would do it myself, but alas, my detective skills stop at photo manipulation. Also, that involves trigonometry, and I decided to take some calculus over the summer, so I don't really have the brain-motivation to do that.
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Capercorn wrote:
You know, I had an idea that could be tested.

Would it be possible to determine the identity of Hoody by comparing body proportions with other members of the original cast?

I would do it myself, but alas, my detective skills stop at photo manipulation. Also, that involves trigonometry, and I decided to take some calculus over the summer, so I don't really have the brain-motivation to do that.


Can of worms, my friend. That was one of the first suggestions when Hoody showed up, until the OOG reports that

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The person playing Hoody was essentially a body-double for the actual character-actor, so and body size speculation should be disregarded.


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Capercorn wrote:
You know, I had an idea that could be tested.

Would it be possible to determine the identity of Hoody by comparing body proportions with other members of the original cast?

I would do it myself, but alas, my detective skills stop at photo manipulation. Also, that involves trigonometry, and I decided to take some calculus over the summer, so I don't really have the brain-motivation to do that.


I'm afraid thatwouldn't really work

IG reason: Hoody was wearing an unknown amount of clothing and a....hoody. This makes it fairly difficult to tell by size who the subject is.

OOG reason:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Troy has people fill in for others who can't be there alot, there's no telling if the person was actually the correct person or just some random helper


personally, I think it'd be cool if it were jessica

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onetruepurple
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Randoman96 wrote:
Really? I didn't know that.

I went to the SA to find the thread but got a little sidetracked and got this instead:



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onetruepurple wrote:
Randoman96 wrote:
Really? I didn't know that.

I went to the SA to find the thread but got a little sidetracked and got this instead:



According to Slenderia.blogspot.com, the sybol originated with MH. If so, I think Troseph would take offense at you attributing their work to others. Razz

http://slenderia.blogspot.com/2010/11/operator-symbol.html

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Another thing that, in my opinion, points to Brian is that portrait in his house from the entry where Jay and Alex are doing a behind the scenes thing and Tim comes in later.

The painting is of a forest burning, I think? I'm sure it's been brought up, but yeah, I think that's a big one.

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Chest Cam Avenger wrote:
According to Slenderia.blogspot.com, the sybol originated with MH. If so, I think Troseph would take offense at you attributing their work to others. Razz

No, it was definitely posted on SA before the initial Marble Hornets post. By the looks of it the picture went down when waffleimages bit the dust.

Also, "attributing their work to others"? It's a crossed out circle, it's not like I'm saying they stole the fucking Slenderman.

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