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fredsolo
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 		From a story perspective it makes no FUCKING sense to introduce a new hooded character when we were introduced to Hoody just a couple entries ago and we only saw one 5 second shot of him. SO THAT'S CLEARLY SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING HOODY!
Maybe he was played by a different actor(Troy's blog implies he was played by Tim in Entry 41, which means someone else would have to play him on this one due to Tim obviously playing Masky) but it's still clearly supposed to be the same character. If they wanted a new masked/hooded character they would give him a unique look, THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS.

Also Masky is clearly Tim, I don't even have to write a sentence to prove it I just need to say MASK SIDEBURNS JACKET ROCK LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP FUCKING LIMP!

Again, if they wanted to introduce a new masked character they would give him a unique look, meaning SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY TO TELL HIM APART FROM THE OTHER MASKED CHARACTERS!

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Yuki wrote:


Wow, antagonistic much? Two different theories, dude. No need to get riled up.

I think that since he was in such a strong Slendertrance--and that's the closest we've seen him physically get to The Operator, unless I'm mistaken--it logically follows that, considering his behaviour has changed as well and ToTheArk insists he's untrustworthy, he's on The Operator's side.

You disagree. That's fine. But by no means are you definitively correct.


This is by far the most you've said to back up your claim. I was getting angry because all everyone was saying was "he went to the Operator", not even mentioning the fact it was a Slendertrance. At least now I can have somewhat of a debate.

ToTheArk has insisted that even Jay was untrustworthy at times, and has never been too fond of Alex at all IIRC. Also, Alex has been like this since he gave the tapes to Jay. Angry all the time, trying to take matters into his own hands, that's Alex. Those are basically his only traits.

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 		Posted in the TTA thread but i'll also post it here too since some of you are discussing TTA members here.

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Personal opinion time.

I have a feeling there's three TTA members, possibly four. Hoody, Blasky, Masky and another one we haven't seen/Skully.

Masky-Tim. (Duh.)

Hoody (that's the one with the inverted eyes right?) - Not sure, I have a feeling its a girl (HopingitsJessica) but it could be a guy.

SadMaskydude-As much as I HATE it, I have a feeling its Brian. He disappeared suddenly without any real explanation.

OtherPerson/Skully-I have no idea. I stand against the Seth character for OOG reasons, and I've pretty much ruled everyone else out. Maybe it was Alex at some time, and he betrayed the other TTA members? Maybe that's why they are after him? But it doesn't fit in with the time line so... yeah.

Just wanted to get that out there in case I'm ever proven right or wrong.


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Rogue Thoughts wrote:
What's more interesting, I believe is why Alex originally went out without a camera. For someone as paranoid as he is, especially after a recent contact with the Operator, it just seems strange. Going along with the 'Alex is in cahoots with the Operator' theory, maybe Alex did see the Operator outside and went to see him. Or maybe he was gonna go someplace where he could see Mr. O (and lead him to the ark?). But instead, he saw New Masky (Nasky?), grabbed his camera, and started chasing him.


Watching that part of the Entry again, it seems more likely to me that Alex simply wasn't sure what he was seeing outside, went out to investigate, and realized that A) the suspicious character outside his house was a little more than some creepy midnight jogger and B) He'd left his handheld on the couch. This is the point where he runs back in to get it and confronts GangstaMasky. There is really no evidence that the Operator had any presence in the Entry at this point.

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 		Let's simplify the scenario.

Woodsy's job was to lure Alex to the undisclosed location.

Hoody's job was to immobilize Alex.

and

Masky was supposed to finish the job.

This would all make sense if we had concrete proof that Hoody was there.

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 		So, more proof that the mask collective (which I am increasingly convinced is TTA) is out to whack Alex. Question is, why? The way I see it, these are the more obvious possibilities.

To save the world, or at least their asses. In this scenario the Masky Gang wants to stop the Operator, and seems to think that taking out Alex will do that. Perhaps they're right and Alex has become the medium through which the Operator appears in the world. Perhaps they're wrong and are just jumping to conclusions. Either way, in this scenario the gang have good motives, even if their methods are seriously messed up. The Maskies disappear when the Operator shows up because they are terrified and want to escape.

To keep Alex afraid and isolated. In this scenario, the attack was never meant to actually result in Alex's death - just to convince him that he was almost about to die. Perhaps Slendy needs Alex good and fearful in order to exert control over him; perhaps the intent was to create a situation where Slendy appears to have "saved" Alex in order to drive Alex further into Slendy's noodly arms. The Maskies disappear when the Operator shows up in order to maintain the illusion that Slendy has "saved" Alex.

Proxy rivalry. Perhaps, for some alien reason we don't yet grasp, the Operator really likes having Alex work for him and Alex is becoming his favoured servant. This may not sit well with more long-standing accomplices like Tim. The Maskies disappear when the Operator shows up because they don't want a spanking.

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AfterHours wrote:
...not even mentioning the fact it was a Slendertrance.

Probably because there's not conclusive evidence that it was. There is evidence... but there's also evidence against it.
AfterHours wrote:
ToTheArk has insisted that even Jay was untrustworthy at times, and has never been too fond of Alex at all IIRC.

You say that like it's definitive that TTA was talking about Jay at the time... but it isn't. It's certainly possible, but again, it's also possible that he wasn't.

Basically, your argument could be either right or wrong, based largely on whether or not your evidence is right or wrong.

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MarbleArk wrote:
Posted in the TTA thread but i'll also post it here too since some of you are discussing TTA members here.

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Personal opinion time.

I have a feeling there's three TTA members, possibly four. Hoody, Blasky, Masky and another one we haven't seen/Skully.

Masky-Tim. (Duh.)

Hoody (that's the one with the inverted eyes right?) - Not sure, I have a feeling its a girl (HopingitsJessica) but it could be a guy.

SadMaskydude-As much as I HATE it, I have a feeling its Brian. He disappeared suddenly without any real explanation.

OtherPerson/Skully-I have no idea. I stand against the Seth character for OOG reasons, and I've pretty much ruled everyone else out. Maybe it was Alex at some time, and he betrayed the other TTA members? Maybe that's why they are after him? But it doesn't fit in with the time line so... yeah.

Just wanted to get that out there in case I'm ever proven right or wrong.


Why you hatin' on Brian, bro? (I can completely understand your position on Seth, though.)

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fredsolo wrote:
From a story perspective it makes no FUCKING sense to introduce a new hooded character when we were introduced to Hoody just a couple entries ago and we only saw one 5 second shot of him. SO THAT'S CLEARLY SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING HOODY!
Maybe he was played by a different actor(Troy's blog implies he was played by Tim in Entry 41, which means someone else would have to play him on this one due to Tim obviously playing Masky) but it's still clearly supposed to be the same character. If they wanted a new masked/hooded character they would give him a unique look, THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS.

Also Masky is clearly Tim, I don't even have to write a sentence to prove it I just need to say MASK SIDEBURNS JACKET ROCK LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP FUCKING LIMP!

Again, if they wanted to introduce a new masked character they would give him a unique look, meaning SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY TO TELL HIM APART FROM THE OTHER MASKED CHARACTERS!



Righttttt, they would make everything clear. Like only showing Seth on camera once. Brian on camera twice. Amy once. Jessica 3-4 times. Think about the first 15 entries! It was hard to be sure there weren't multiple Maskies, for gods sakes. They aren't going to wrap up any time soon, I think they need to introduce the rest of TTA before we can move much further. Obviously showing hooded characters is the way to go. Why would they not make it more obvious? Dunno. All in the same gang.

And people are right, there are definitely 3 people involved! Consider Alex zooms in on the person, someone runs up (even gait, listen to the steps) and mashes him across the face. Once he down, we all of a sudden see someone kneeling and a guy limps up 10 seconds after the hit! Tim did not take down Alex, neither did the person being chased.

Joseph and Troy are not afraid of pushing the watcher, they have said as much. TTA is clearly at least 3 people, we know have seen them all in the same place, confirming that at least three of them do exist.

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Mr. Fischer wrote:
Let's simplify the scenario.

Woodsy's job was to lure Alex to the undisclosed location.

Hoody's job was to immobilize Alex.

and

Masky was supposed to finish the job.

This would all make sense if we had concrete proof that Hoody was there.


You have no concrete proof that Woodsy and Hoody are different characters. BECUASE THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
MarbleArk wrote:
Posted in the TTA thread but i'll also post it here too since some of you are discussing TTA members here.

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Personal opinion time.

I have a feeling there's three TTA members, possibly four. Hoody, Blasky, Masky and another one we haven't seen/Skully.

Masky-Tim. (Duh.)

Hoody (that's the one with the inverted eyes right?) - Not sure, I have a feeling its a girl (HopingitsJessica) but it could be a guy.

SadMaskydude-As much as I HATE it, I have a feeling its Brian. He disappeared suddenly without any real explanation.

OtherPerson/Skully-I have no idea. I stand against the Seth character for OOG reasons, and I've pretty much ruled everyone else out. Maybe it was Alex at some time, and he betrayed the other TTA members? Maybe that's why they are after him? But it doesn't fit in with the time line so... yeah.

Just wanted to get that out there in case I'm ever proven right or wrong.


Why you hatin' on Brian, bro? (I can completely understand your position on Seth, though.)


I have nothing against him, I just never considered him as a TTA member. We have little proof for it, but on the other hand it makes sense. I can't really explain how I feel about it. I just have mixed thoughts about him. Smile

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Sleight wrote:
fredsolo wrote:
From a story perspective it makes no FUCKING sense to introduce a new hooded character when we were introduced to Hoody just a couple entries ago and we only saw one 5 second shot of him. SO THAT'S CLEARLY SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING HOODY!
Maybe he was played by a different actor(Troy's blog implies he was played by Tim in Entry 41, which means someone else would have to play him on this one due to Tim obviously playing Masky) but it's still clearly supposed to be the same character. If they wanted a new masked/hooded character they would give him a unique look, THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS.

Also Masky is clearly Tim, I don't even have to write a sentence to prove it I just need to say MASK SIDEBURNS JACKET ROCK LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP LIMP FUCKING LIMP!

Again, if they wanted to introduce a new masked character they would give him a unique look, meaning SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY TO TELL HIM APART FROM THE OTHER MASKED CHARACTERS!



Righttttt, they would make everything clear. Like only showing Seth on camera once. Brian on camera twice. Amy once. Jessica 3-4 times. Think about the first 15 entries! It was hard to be sure there weren't multiple Maskies, for gods sakes. They aren't going to wrap up any time soon, I think they need to introduce the rest of TTA before we can move much further. Obviously showing hooded characters is the way to go. Why would they not make it more obvious? Dunno. All in the same gang.

And people are right, there are definitely 3 people involved! Consider Alex zooms in on the person, someone runs up (even gait, listen to the steps) and mashes him across the face. Once he down, we all of a sudden see someone kneeling and a guy limps up 10 seconds after the hit! Tim did not take down Alex, neither did the person being chased.

Joseph and Troy are not afraid of pushing the watcher, they have said as much. TTA is clearly at least 3 people, we know have seen them all in the same place, confirming that at least three of them do exist.



Yes 3 different people: Masky, Hoody, and maybe Skully

I think saying that the Hooded character from 41 is not the hooded character from 45 is like saying the Masky that attacked Jay at the house was a different Masky than the one that teleported Jay from his room(WHICH PEOPLE DID SPECUALTE!). It just doesn't make sense from a story perspective.

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fredsolo wrote:
(WHICH PEOPLE DID SPECUALTE!)


His hair was extra puffy, okay. -.-

Those stupid posts by me still haunt me to this day

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MarbleArk wrote:
fredsolo wrote:
(WHICH PEOPLE DID SPECUALTE!)


His hair was extra puffy, okay. -.-


Ah, the follies of our youth. ;P

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DonMonte wrote:
AfterHours wrote:
...not even mentioning the fact it was a Slendertrance.

Probably because there's not conclusive evidence that it was. There is evidence... but there's also evidence against it.
AfterHours wrote:
ToTheArk has insisted that even Jay was untrustworthy at times, and has never been too fond of Alex at all IIRC.

You say that like it's definitive that TTA was talking about Jay at the time... but it isn't. It's certainly possible, but again, it's also possible that he wasn't.

Basically, your argument could be either right or wrong, based largely on whether or not your evidence is right or wrong.


If you could find evidence against it being a Slendertrance, I'd be happy to see it.

Also, he has called Jay out on at least one occasion ("tell us. you have been keeping secrets. smile for the camera"). The next entry was him confessing that he had been keeping his own logs.

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