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MorbidPuppies
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Mr_Magpie wrote:
Sleight wrote:
What evidence is there that Alex is dead? I mean, I know we are sometime in the past. But a dead Alex is bad story-telling from what I think we know. An enslaved Alex makes more sense.

Again, does anyone know how many stylistically different TTA videos there are? I think it is 3 or 4 but I would rather ask a more experienced MH'er for confirmation. I think that would solve our Blasky vs Woodsy debate.


Alex is a gung-ho, take-no-shit adventurer type, which is a nice way of saying 'kind of an asshole'.

He must be dead.


That is the way most horror movies go, lol

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StarlitVixen wrote:
Sleight wrote:
What evidence is there that Alex is dead? I mean, I know we are sometime in the past. But a dead Alex is bad story-telling from what I think we know. An enslaved Alex makes more sense.

Again, does anyone know how many stylistically different TTA videos there are? I think it is 3 or 4 but I would rather ask a more experienced MH'er for confirmation. I think that would solve our Blasky vs Woodsy debate.


Where's your proof on Alex-is-enslaved?
They both have proof for and against them. Or proof that could be made up. Or facts to be twisted. Or ideas to be sprouted.

Careful... apparently people don't take kindly to fence-riding 'round these parts. Razz

But anyway, I think it would actually be kind of cool if we've been talking about Alex's motivations for the past... what, 7 months now? 14-ish if you take into account the 7-month amnesia trip Jay had... Anyway, if we've been talking about his motivations for this long, and it turns out he's been dead for 10 of those months.

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Enslaved, dead, pretty much one or the other. Not sure which of those is better than the other one, but...

No way in hell is Alex going to walk away from this unharmed. If so, talk about bad story-telling. Wink

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DonMonte wrote:
StarlitVixen wrote:
Sleight wrote:
What evidence is there that Alex is dead? I mean, I know we are sometime in the past. But a dead Alex is bad story-telling from what I think we know. An enslaved Alex makes more sense.

Again, does anyone know how many stylistically different TTA videos there are? I think it is 3 or 4 but I would rather ask a more experienced MH'er for confirmation. I think that would solve our Blasky vs Woodsy debate.


Where's your proof on Alex-is-enslaved?
They both have proof for and against them. Or proof that could be made up. Or facts to be twisted. Or ideas to be sprouted.

Careful... apparently people don't take kindly to fence-riding 'round these parts. Razz

But anyway, I think it would actually be kind of cool if we've been talking about Alex's motivations for the past... what, 7 months now? 14-ish if you take into account the 7-month amnesia trip Jay had... Anyway, if we've been talking about his motivations for this long, and it turns out he's been dead for 10 of those months.




Long live Team Asshole. Alex might be kind of a dick, but he's really the only straight up ready-for-action protagonist we have at the moment. I kind of hope he isn't dead.

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I should stop reading uF at late night/morning (like now, it's 4am) since, now that I reread some of the posts, I don't get most of the theories people are arguing. ._.

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DonMonte wrote:
Mr. Fischer wrote:
rant

I've seen (I think) you argue that "both masks would be altered by night-vision" thing before. Before I begin, though, I want to say that I do agree that there are 3 people other than Alex and the Operator in this video.

Anyway, night-vision doesn't really work like that, only changing colors. It also depends on the material of the color in question, since night-vision generally works by shining an infrared light at what you're filming, and capturing that light. So, if the black ink on Masky's mask absorbs that light, it will appear black, but if Hoodie or Woodsy's cloth mask reflects some of that light, it will appear grey.


This

If anyone watches Ghost Hunters on SYFY you may understand where a fabric MIGHT seemingly change color when filmed with night-vision. The cameramen who follow GH around use night-vision/low-light camera's which cause people's hair and clothes to seem to change from darker to lighter. (i.e someone with dark hair in normal light suddenly has almost blond/whitish hair under night-vision or they maybe wearing a dark-colored, even black, coat in normal light but it looks much lighter, sometimes almost white, in night vision. Night vision works on infrared reflectivity NOT visible light reflectivity) Thereby, being as night-vision was used during the chase sequence (which Alex switched over to at 1:07 (you can see the flare as he switches) we can't with 100% accuracy say that this a new TTA member. That is just my .02 worth.

On another note (and another mystery to figure out) I noticed something at 2:26 just after Alex is knocked to the ground. There is something in the lower left hand side of the screen that briefly appears then disappears as the footage skips. For the life of me I can't figure out what it is but it sure looks like a symbol of some kind to me.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
DonMonte wrote:
StarlitVixen wrote:
Sleight wrote:
What evidence is there that Alex is dead? I mean, I know we are sometime in the past. But a dead Alex is bad story-telling from what I think we know. An enslaved Alex makes more sense.

Again, does anyone know how many stylistically different TTA videos there are? I think it is 3 or 4 but I would rather ask a more experienced MH'er for confirmation. I think that would solve our Blasky vs Woodsy debate.


Where's your proof on Alex-is-enslaved?
They both have proof for and against them. Or proof that could be made up. Or facts to be twisted. Or ideas to be sprouted.

Careful... apparently people don't take kindly to fence-riding 'round these parts. Razz

But anyway, I think it would actually be kind of cool if we've been talking about Alex's motivations for the past... what, 7 months now? 14-ish if you take into account the 7-month amnesia trip Jay had... Anyway, if we've been talking about his motivations for this long, and it turns out he's been dead for 10 of those months.




Long live Team Asshole. Alex might be kind of a dick, but he's really the only straight up ready-for-action protagonist we have at the moment. I kind of hope he isn't dead.


I think Alex may actually be dead. You don't just turn yourself over to the operator and come out alive. TO obviously wanted Alex, and when Alex just presents himself to TO he just takes advantage of Alex, and uses him until he doesn't need to anymore. If he turned himself over to get Amy back, well I don't think Slendy is the type that would keep a promise. However, this is more of broad, scenario speculation and I tend to think of Slenderman as an unavoidable omen of death/disappearance.

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I was fiddling around, looking for hidden frames or whatnot, and I found an actual close up of Woodsy's face. After Alex gets tackled, but before the picture comes back into focus, when the camera is moving around a lot.



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Oh yeah and I'll be the first (?) to say:

WELCOME BACK, TiMasky! It's been what, about 10 entries since your last appearance?

Still waiting on Brian, though... (it's been what, 40 entries since your last appearance?)

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
I can't be the only one who sees this:



And is reminded of this:



Oh wow, that is brilliant

Not only do the eyes match, but the fact no mouth is visible, too. Hmmm.
Interesting.

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1. My thought at 2:18 was also, "Jay, what are you doing here?" Though I do envy how he's kept his girlish figure throughout this ordeal...

2. I am amazed at the meta-contradictions we hold. We can't guess who the hooded person is by figure because of the possibility of stand-ins, but Masky cannot be Tim because it's inconceivable that the actor playing Tim got a shave?

3. I'm not sure what to make of the apparent change in masks--if it's some oddity of filming, if the dog ate the original and they improvised, if this is meant to be a new character, etc. It's close enough in appearance that I'm comfortable calling it Hoody, but I won't presume to insist that everyone else accept this as fact.

(Unless we're supposed to now. Turning on capslock and insulting everyone who disagrees with you does seem to be in vogue.)

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ugh i hate people who make random theories just to throw in any theory.

im not sure if people are aware but there are 3 known masks

Masky=tim
Skully= unidentified
Blasky= unidentified, possibly TTA

nothing has confirmed that TTA and the maskies are one and the same. one of the first videos was trying to show us who masky really was. which wouldnt make sense from TTA POV in the series to stay hidden.

it definitely looks like skully is sitting next to masky when he goes to hit alex and he definitely stumbles down to the grounds. next

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http://vimeo.com/2004784

Video in night vision. Shows up white, but guy says,
"I was wearing a black robe and mask."
Just an example of how black can be bleached when filmed with the camera light filter. Also, it's obviously implied that this is blasky. Especially since Jay didn't designate that this guy has not been seen. He pointed out the individual masked people as they came into the picture, both with masky and blasky, on his twitter. It is certainly meant to be perceived as blasky.

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Cleavuz wrote:
http://vimeo.com/2004784

Video in night vision. Shows up white, but guy says,
"I was wearing a black robe and mask."
Just an example of how black can be bleached when filmed with the camera light filter. Also, it's obviously implied that this is blasky. Especially since Jay didn't designate that this guy has not been seen. He pointed out the individual masked people as they came into the picture, both with masky and blasky, on his twitter. It is certainly meant to be perceived as blasky.

I was looking all over for a video like this! o: YouTube didn't give good results.

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ToTheMask
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I think people need to step back for a bit and gain a clear, concise understanding of what is shown in this video and what is pure speculation.

WHAT IS SHOWN:

- Alex sees someone outside of his house, grabs his camera and runs after the figure. We cannot really tell who he is chasing aside from the fact it's a hooded figure.
- He chases the figure for a while (seriously, I was watching this and wondering whether he has lungs of a GOD) before finally being confronted by the figure. He takes a shot to the head, whether it be a tackle/fist/whatever else, and is promptly hovered over by Masky and an unknown figure on the left.
- Masky is about to give Alex a rock-flavoured facelift when they see something that scared the bejesus out of them and they run in mortal fear.
- Alex gets all gangsta and starts yelling out towards them before heavy distortion and the video ends.

Now, outside of that, a lot of the speculation going on in this thread is just that: pure speculation. Unless the MH team plainly state it, we can only guess.

THINGS TO PONDER

- We have seen numerous times in the TTA vids that TTA has something against Alex. There are numerous instances within the replies that they question Alex's motives. This vid clearly proves (at the very least) that Masky has a serious revenge streak against Alex, and that he is pretty damn bitter over the damage that Alex gave to his leg (evidently trying to do damage to him with a similar weapon). Whether Tims leg was broken or not, we aren't completely sure, but we know it was damaged and that it has obviously taken its toll on Timaskys mobility (see: the poor bugger trying to chase after Jay in the hotel and just looking quite sad in present day MH, which indicates it's quite a serious injury).

- It's quite obvious that Masky has allies, or at least others that are willing to be used as bait to pull Alex away from their home. We've seen shots of Skully, Masky, Hoody and Blasky in the TTA replies and MH videos, so the appearance of a fifth hooded character would be a bit much for the MH team to keep up with in my personal opinion. Maybe one of them decided to use a different mask, maybe it's a new character, we don't know. All we know is that they assisted Masky in bringing Alex out into the woods to beat the living piss out of him with a big ol' rock.

- As for Alex/TO being buddies because of TO showing up at the end in a 'He's mine, feck off' sort of way, it could go either way. We really can only speculate until MH or TTA give us a definite answer as to what the heck is going on.

Until then, in my honest opinion, it's going to be interesting to see how they sew it all together and show how the present day Jay is linked in with this whole TTA/Alex/Operator story that's going down other than being a completely oblivious and sometimes idiotic narrator.

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