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konamouse
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Re: Dale may be in another place

> Dearest Bruce.
> This is really going to sound strange (but maybe at
> this point you are expecting weird news). Today we
> got some email from Dale that he was going back to the
> cemetery. He told Sam (the webmaster for Aglaura) and
> his buddy Wes (the owner of Emporium of the Weird)
> where he was going. Early in the evening he also
> phoned a couple of people and mentioned seeing some
> strangers (who appeared to be chasing him, maybe the
> "dead eyes" as previously described by Wes and others
> around town) and that he was heading into some light.
> Meanwhile, a few of us got email from the seekers at
> mythosphere.org - a group to whom Dale had been in
> contact in his attempt to reach Diana & Meaghan (or
> take back his "wish"). We got instructions on how to
> "bring him back" (after some more puzzle solving -
> those guides love cipher codes). Turns out that Wes
> and Sam are going to have to burn 9 different wood
> during the twilight of May 1. But the instructions are
> a little confusing. Let me copy them for you:
>
> The one who seeks may lose his way
> Along darkened paths at end of day
> To light the way of his return
> The wood of nine the guides must burn
> Oak and ash and willow tree
> Birch, fir, apple, the second three
> Hawthorn, hazel, and wood of vine
> In order complete the sacred nine
>
> From where love was lost his path begins
> In darkness seek the aid of friends
> At tomorrow's dusk, the fire burn
> Where love once lived, and he shall return
> ------------------
>
> Hope you have stayed out of sight of the Marzanos. We
> haven't heard anything more from them since Sal's
> threat in the scam email code. But I'm worried they
> will come after you if they find out that you might be
> able to come up with money to cover Dale's debt.
>
> I'll keep you updated as I learn more.
>
> Heather

Heather:

Yes, it certainly sounds bizarre -- but also in keeping with all that has gone before. Perhaps if it all resolves itself well, we'll all know a lot more about whether Dale is deluded, or not. In any event, though I don't claim to understand anything about such things, I hope his friends can organize this ceremony, and that these guides are really there to help Dale.

No Marzano news -- Angie's requests for a sit-down have still not brought a reaction. And since I won't be showing my cards (that I intend to be part of that meeting) until there is one, I'm still under the radar (I think).

Bruce

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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 10:20 pm
Last edited by konamouse on Mon May 05, 2003 10:17 am; edited 1 time in total

konamouse
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Email from Bruce about website and Don

From Passion@collectivedetective

This is the response I got a letter I wrote Bruce about a possible way for him to contact Don. He had mentioned that Don had told him stories about Jersey in the 50s and 60s. My spec was that it could have something to do with Ong's Hat or other anomalies. Guess it didn't. Anyway, not much news but I figure we should post all correspondence.

Sandra:

Yes, Barry has modified the ET and SOD pages as you suggested to reduce our public link to the Marzanos; I sure hope that the changes are less noticeable to them than to your sharp-eyed fellow investigators. And with April over, AFame can freely feature a different website, and I believe that one will be appearing sometime in the next couple of days. I must say thank you for hammering at me until I understood what you meant.

Don Marzano's stories were usually slice of life stuff about growing up in Jersey -- tales of stickball games, and summer nights on the street corners. He used to talk about working as a teenager for the guy who ran the local barber shop; if I'd thought about it more closely, I'd have probably realized that what went on in the barber's back room sounded a whole lot like a numbers racket. Maybe Dale isn't the only one who heard what he wanted to hear, and ignored the warning signs.

Only time will tell if this meeting ever comes off, or if it does, whether I can use it to help Dale. Til then, try to give me the benefit of the doubt, eh?
Bruce

Quoting Sandra <sandraxxxxxxxxx>:

>
> Hi, Bruce,
>
> My goodness - time certainly seems to fly. I've been so busy with
> projects I've gotten behind on all my correspondence.
>
> I learned today that you've taken all links off the Empty Threats,
> SOD, and Anonymous Fame sites that associated them with
> each other. Very good move.
>
> This is regarding your getting together with Don: In one of your
> letters you mentioned how you had enjoyed stories he'd told you about
> Jersey in the 50s and 60s. Is there anything new about any of these
> stories that you might be able to come up with? It might be a good way
> to break through whatever barrier their is that's keeping you from
> seeing him.
>
> Well, time to get back to work. I took a break from building a new
> website and need to get back to it.
>
> Take care and I hope you find a way to get to talk to Don.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Sandra

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 10:14 am

konamouse
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Bruce's response to Dales return.

> Hi Bruce,
> Good news! Dale is back from his
> mysterious/paranormal journey. At least, that is the
> news we get from our contact in NJ. No news directly
> from him, though. The bad news is that another
> resident of Aglaura was kidnapped during the
> proceedings and as best we can tell, is in mortal
> danger. So we are treading very lightly and you may
> be accused of being a "mole" for some eerie fellows
> known as "dead eyes" (who may be ghosts from the
> cemetery that used to be the amusement park).
>
> Yay! I see you managed to divest yourself of public
> ties to the Marzanos (at least, online references).
> Did you meet with Don Marzano? Is Angie telling you
> anything about their business dealings? As I
> mentioned before, there may be some illegal contract
> bidding going on in Aglaura that could come to light
> soon (the Mayor posted a strange "letter" on the
> Aglaura website that sounds like he is making a pubic
> defense before we have even seen any investigative
> reports on the news).
>
> Are you still going to be seeing Angie? If you are
> growing fond of her romantically, I won't stand in
> your way. If you are only cultivating a relationship
> to help us continue to gather information about the
> Marzanos, then maybe there is still hope for our
> relationship to grow and expand (I'm trying to work on
> taking an East Coast vacation later this summer).
> Either way, it has been very helpful for the
> investigators to have your presence in the vicinity
> and your view of the Marzano business. Welcome to the
> spy game.
>
> Peace, Heather

Heather:

I wrote up a response to this last night (one that I think addressed most of what you talked about), and hit the send button. But the mail account seems to be telling me it didn't send (or get saved, worse yet). If you don't have something in your mail tomorrow, let me know ASAP and I'll try to remember what I said (damn, and I was so eloquent and charming, too [grin] . . .)

Bruce

> Bruce,
> I hate when that happens. And I don't always remember
> to have the "save in sent file" checked. Ah, your
> emails are always charming (at least, to me).
> Heather

Heather:

Sigh! Can I be as good the second time around (a question all men hear at some point in their lives, I suppose . . .).

I'm glad Dale's back (if of course he was ever really gone). Has he told you his story yet (it's now another day later, perhaps you know much more)? Does it all seem to make sense? Was he really gone for several days from Wednesday to Sunday? And when we say gone, do we mean off traveling, or off to other worlds or dimensions?

Perhaps it's best he's not telling me these stories first hand. I don't know if I have the proper suspension of belief to accept these things at face value. Do you all just believe him, or do some of you have doubts? Does he have proof (I can't even imagine what would constitute proof -- you probably can't bring back a vial of dirt from alternate earth and be able to prove that it's not from here)? Yet I understand that normal, logical explanations may no longer be holding together, either. Didn't Holmes say something like "if you rule out all the logical possibilities, then the impossible becomes logical?" I read all those stories voraciously when I was a teenager, but it's been a long time -- anyway, you get my drift. And did you say that somebody else wound up disappearing in the process of recovering Dale? Was it one of you investigators, or one of Dale's Aglaura friends? In either case, this whole thing seems to be getting more bizarre by the day.

And now I'm supposed to have something to do with this as well? If I weren't only in my mid-thirties, I think your colleagues would be concluding that I was the second gunman at Dealey Plaza, or the helmsman on the Titanic. It does appear that no matter what course I choose I can't win. I offer to plead Dale's case to Don Marzano, and people denounce me as wanting to play the hero. I decide to stay out of it and let you all handle Dale's encounter with these 'guides', and all of a sudden I'm in cahoots with something called 'dead eyed guys'. If they're ghosts from the cemetery, wouldn't they be just 'dead guys'? -- skeletons, zombies, scary bits of ephemeral ectoplasm? And I thought that ghosts were kind of tied to one place. Most of all, I don't exactly recall anybody fitting this description walking into my office and asking my opinion -- and they don't sound like something any sane person would be voluntarily seeking out. I don't even know how to defend myself from a charge so ludicrous -- except to suggest that if anybody out there really believes that, they ought to speak to me directly. I'd like to think that anyone who really knows me realizes that I don't breathe fire, kidnap babies, or sacrifice farm animals by the light of the full moon. I'm a finance major from Penn State, for crying out loud. Til all this began happening, I'd be surprised if Dale knew anything about this sort of thing either.

You were one of a couple people that noticed that we've tried to get the AFame logo off of all things Marzano. Hopefully Frank and Don aren't so sharp-eyed as you folks, or this could backfire on me. No phone calls from SOD today, about a meeting or anything else.

Concerning Angie, our last weekend outing could have gone better. It was disappointing that she spent much of the first hour on board Apollo's Mirror throwing up -- not that I blame her, of course, as it can happen to anyone. But tie it to the fact that we had to cut the day short so she could cover for someone at work, and then ending with my close encounter with Marco Marzano in the ET parking lot -- and it's safe to say it could have gone a lot better all the way around. It would not be fair to suggest that my interest in Angie only concerns the Marzano situation -- I genuinely
enjoy her company, and I think she enjoys mine. But it would also be premature to call it a romance, and least for the moment. Should you actually make it to the East Coast for a vacation, I would certainly consider myself unattached enough to show you around the Big Apple in style.

Probably missed something this time around -- look forward to more news as you can share it.

Bruce

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 7:54 pm

konamouse
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Bruce's response re: the business & Dale's chat

Heather:

Thanks so much for the information. I can only assume that the Sandra
who appears in some of that dialogue is the Sandra who has been communicating with me -- interesting to see how anxious she is to believe the worst of me, and accept whatever Dale says. And unfortunately, her view appears to be the predominant one -- despite my best efforts.

Because of the gravity of what you sent, and the likelihood that it will be
followed by many more mails, I have decided to respond a bit more publicly. If Dale has not somehow turned off his link, you can tell your colleagues my answers will be posted to Dale's email tonight. Should there be anything that you believe I did not address in that answer, feel free to follow up, and I will talk to you personally.

I guess I can anticipate one thing already. You did mention making a clean break with the Marzanos, and turning 'states evidence'. I'm afraid that's farther than I intend to go. Now that I know what I know, I will certainly be moving to eliminate the Marzanos from my life -- over time, and in a way that will hopefully not rouse suspicions. Would I corroborate what I know about Dale's situation with them to the authorities if questioned? Absolutely. Will I become the star witness, and exchange my life and business for a new existence in the witness protection program, spending the rest of my life looking over my shoulder for the payback? Not a chance. I didn't make this mess -- I want to help make it go away, without painting a bullseye on myself in the process. I've had this argument previously with Sandra. You all pretty much know what I know. Where is your rush to the authorities? Who among you is scrambling to be first to put your neck in the noose? For that matter, where's Dale's rush to the authorities? I'm sorry if that doesn't sound heroic (it isn't). But hopefully, it sounds like the reaction of somebody who has a real life in the real world, and isn't in a hurry to give it up.

Bruce
Quoting hxxxxxxxxxx <hxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.com>:

> Bruce,
>
> Dale showed up online tonight. He offered to answer
> questions and, in your defense and by your
> request...well, here is the transcript:
>
> heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with
> Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and
> upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is
> there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
>
> synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question
> and I'm not sure how to answer it.
>
> heartheather73: in what ever way you can.
>
> Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce.
>
> synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you
> first that may explain what's going on. I have known
> Bruce for years. We have shared many things.
> And relied on each other through many tough times.
> Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened
> my eyes after the "accident". But...
>
> heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad
> news from your best friend.
>
> synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something
> happened. You know, that mental facility I was in?
>
> Sandra ctw: We know.
>
> synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized
> that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no
> one else ever would. Christ, it still sounds crazy
> even to me Smile

>
> heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough
> time understanding your version.
>
> synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to
> to get out of there
>
> heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you.
> please send him email.
>
> synthasiadale: and prove I was right. One day while in
> Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a
> meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point.
> In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had
> come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma
> I had gone through making me believe those things.
> And I asked him to get me out of there. He looked me
> right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's
> wonderful." And then left. After sitting there a few
> hours thinking I was going to be released I finally
> asked the doctors. They told me Bruce didn't say
> anything about my change of mental state, and instead
> asked them how long I could be held.
>
> synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the
> rest of the time I was there after that. It wasnt
> until you people found the movie clips from the park
> that the doctors finally agreed to release me.
> One point in all fairness. Bruce has since told me he
> did everything out of concern for me. Including
> keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the
> Marzano's.
>
> heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide,
> meaning you harm.
>
> synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him
> in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any
> chances.
>
> heartheather73: then have a sit down with him. Take
> Sam with you.
>
> synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now
> is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
>
> heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to
> AnonymousFame.
>
> synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for
> me
>
> Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at
> AF?
>
> synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's
> provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just
> like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it
> was started.
> ---------------------------
>
> Bruce, I don't understand this part. Your website and
> Dale's Synthasia, mention that Anonymousfame was a
> joint venture, that you guys started this after
> college, together. You told me that Dale brought the
> Marzanos to Anonymousfame, and Dale claims that YOU
> knew the Marzanos before he did. I'm so confused.
>
> Dale then claims that you visited him at Klepsydra,
> but you never mentioned it. Is Dale making up
> stories? Did he somehow figure out your attachment to
> Diana? He may have complained to Dr. Kendra about
> Diana running to you for comfort and advice when he
> became way too involved in Synthasia to spend time
> with her. I'm not blaming you at all. You cared so
> much for both of them, you wanted to help, but it sure
> looks like he was shutting you out even before The
> Wish (and the accident). A scary thought would be he
> was blaming you for him and Diana growing apart (even
> though it may have been him ignoring her because of
> his financial difficulties).
>
> You are probably very smart to not get into any chat
> with these investigators. Some of them are ready to
> burn you at the stake. I'm so sorry about that.
>
> The biggest issue they have is your ties to the
> Marzanos. That is probably what caused the initial
> damage to your credibility with everyone. Seeing that
> you were working with that company, and then how they
> appeared to be involved with the physical threats to
> Dale. You really need to make a clean break. Can you
> turn state's evidence or something like that?
>
> If, on the other hand, you have to skip town for
> awhile. I think I can arrange a good hiding place here
> in Las Vegas.
>
> Peace (you are in my thoughts).
> Heather

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 8:39 pm

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Quote:

Quoting Sandra <sandra7@xxxxxxxx.com>:

> Greetings, Bruce,
>
> First - yes, I am the "Sandra" from the chat transcript that
> you were sent. I suppose it could be interpreted that I was
> eager to believe Dale. After all that I've read and thought
> about over the last 24 hours - let's just say that I'm more
> confused than ever.
>
> Last night I was very upset - which is exactly why I didn't
> write. I've found with most things it's better to let things
> settle for a time and what appeared to be one way might,
> after reflection or further information, be seen in
> another light.
>
> Well, enough of that.
>
> To be honest, right now I don't know who to believe. I feel
> I owe it to you to be forthright with my opinion - or lack
> of one at this point.
>
> If I could travel, I'd like nothing more than to be there when you and
> Dale meet to clear things up. I'm not sure who would be able to do
> this. An option is to meet in an online chat - not unlike what
> happened last night, though I would suggest doing it on IRC since that
> is so much easier. If you'd be interested in this, I'd offer to
> arrange it.
>
> Thinking about the differences in your stories - I don't want to say
> that one of you is lying and the other isn't. I can see how the
> hospital story could be true on both sides. Anyway, I always go back
> to the question - What would be the person's motive for telling a lie
> about something? That's not an easy question to answer in this
> situation.
>
> There is one thing I know for sure. There is a lot of pain on both
> sides and that can only come about when there's an emotional
> connection.
>
> As I said, right now I don't know who to believe - or if there's even
> a need to believe one or the other.
>
> I have many more questions - but I think it's best to save them for
> another time - if at all.
>
> I truly hope that you and Dale can find a way to work things out, and
> even more I hope that it is all misunderstandings that can be worked
> out. If not - well - we'll all have to cross that bridge when we come
> to it.
>
> Sandra

Quote:

Sandra:

I don't disagree with anything that you've said. I understand you all are at a
point where you have a lot invested in Dale's situation. I, too, can see how he arrived
at his view of what happened at the hospital -- that one, I think, is more perception
than disagreement. I think if we could sit down together and talk (and I hope you
notice that I'm more than willing to do so, under any conditions you all feel necessary
to protect Dale's safety, since I mean him no harm even at the highest point of my
frustration). If there's a way to facilitate conversation, I'm all for it. I'm afraid
I'm not an IM type of person, but if some other sort of ad hoc chat environment can
be arranged, count me in.

The other issue, however, still rankles days later. Dale was a member of AFame
from the beginning -- that's not a question of interpretation. The Marzanos were
not a part of the firm in any way at the beginning, and have never provided me with
financing. Those are the plain facts as well. Still, because I want things to work
out, I'll even try here to be sensitive to Dale's point of view. Am I vulnerable
to the charge that they represent a decent chunk of income to my business right now?
Yes. Losing them as a client won't break me, but it will hurt. I am committed to
extricating myself from this relationship when it is prudent to do so -- but I realize
for some of you that's not pro- active enough. I'll accept that criticism, but not
change that part of my course.

As I say, I'm here and ready to try repairing our relationship. Let's see if
you can get Dale on board.

Bruce

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:26 pm

Valas
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Quote:

Quoting Sandra <sandra7@.........com>:

> Hi, Bruce,
>
> I was wondering how you were doing. I saw the brief video clip on the
> Aglaura website regarding the investigation into the Marzano
> enterprises. I certainly hope you've been able to stay far enough away
> that you're not involved. There certainly do be some people around
> Aglaura who are worried about this - just wanted to make sure you
> weren't one of them. Despite our obvious and not so obvious
> differences I'd like to see you not being dragged into this
> investigation.
>
> Sandra

Quote:

Sandra:

I had no part in the negotiations that resulted in SoD getting the library
contract, so I'm only worried to the same extent as I've mentioned before -- the
effect to the firm's reputation that might rub off from association with criminal
enterprises, even though our contacts have all been for legitimate services rendered.

I will tell you this, if I haven't mentioned it before. About a month and a
half ago, I received a couple of emails from Mayor Dobbs, in which he seemed to
be searching for 'fellow conspirators'. I did what I could to disavow him of any
belief that he'd find such support here.

Bruce

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:27 pm

Valas
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Quote:

Ladies:

This appeared in my email today, sent from an address posession910SPLATyahoo.com. I
am inclined to assume it's from one of you investigators looking to frighten me, one whose spelling (it's possession, after all) is not as clever as heor she thinks. The only thing I'm 'hiding' is the fact that I'm trying to distance myself from the Marzanos and their operations, and I somehow don't think that's what this person is angling for). QUite frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to look up these Italian and French passages to see what they mean -- but it occurred to me that this stuff is right up your alley. So enjoy -- and do let me know if there is anything here I should actually be concerned about.

Bruce

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Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:32 pm

Valas
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SPEC:

Spec:

Closest translation I can make and still have it make sense is..
Je ne suis pas l'un d'entre eux.
Direct translation would mean: I am not one of them.

Exanor's daughter however, saw another possiblity. Word for word translation gives us: I am not the one between them.

No clue as to the Italian, that would be Carloxti's avenue..
Basic premise seems to be pointing to some of the 7 deadly sins though, pride, lust and envy.

Greed is also mentioned on the left hand side. Rest seems to be unreadable due to the shading on the skeleton. Lazurus Long sees: I envy the .... [of] greed

Taken together with the imagery..
Bruce and Diana did have an affair.
Diana did have an abortion and the kid wasn't Dale's.
And someone knows and is planning on making Bruce's life hell.

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:34 pm

Valas
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Nevermind folks..

Mystery has been solved already..
No new character.. Just another angle attempt..

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 9:04 pm

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INFO Threat translation, more

Just minor things to add.

Left side:
... invidia di greed (maybe an initial "di" as well)
invidia = envy, jealousy. (Circumstances favor jealousy here.)

Top: di orgoglia di lust invidia
orgoglia is pride.

Of course lust and greed are tossed in as English.

Je ne suis pas l'un d'entre eux.
Not idiomatic - should be "Je ne suis pas l'un d'eux." But comprehensible
(I'm not one of them - as noted).

One possibility: it means he's not one of us, which certainly seems
true.

With the d' there, it can't be "between them". Unless, of course,
the writer made a mistake, which is entirely possible.

For the sake of completeness, the rest of the English:
I Know What you have DONE (on the side: HIGH)

I WILL TELL
DO NOT PLAY WITH ME

Over the loving couple there is a picture of a wheelbarrow?
Or some sort of cart.
And a very indistinct picture on the left, mixed in with the greed ...
loks a bit like Paradise's cat making a bid.

Maybe the cat sent it.

- AA

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 9:15 pm

Valas
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Re: INFO Threat translation, more

AbuAmaal wrote:

Over the loving couple there is a picture of a wheelbarrow?
Or some sort of cart.
And a very indistinct picture on the left, mixed in with the greed ...
loks a bit like Paradise's cat making a bid.

Maybe the cat sent it.

- AA

Baby carriage I suspect
And a skeleton is on the left hand side.

And yes, I know who sent it. Like I said.. It was just someone trying another angle.. (another detective, first one to breathe a word of this to an in-game character.. well.. be prepared to be deluged with spam mail then. Twisted Evil

)That's all everyone needs to know at this point in time.

And no it wasn't me.. Got a hard enough time with stick figures. Razz

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 9:45 pm

konamouse
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Re: Threat?

> Bruce,
> This picture/message is quite frightening. By the time
> I got home this evening, Sandra had already posted the
> picture and other investigators had provided some
> insight. I am rather shocked and appalled at the
> results. It's very accusatory.
>
> Here is some information I found from the other
> investigators:
>
> Closest translation and still have it make sense is..
> Je ne suis pas l'un d'entre eux.
> Direct translation would mean: I am not one of them.
>
> Left side:
> ... invidia di greed (maybe an initial "di" as well)
> invidia = envy, jealousy. (Circumstances favor
> jealousy here.)
>
> Top: di orgoglia di lust invidia
> orgoglia is pride.
>
> Of course lust and greed are tossed in as English.
>
> For the sake of completeness, the rest of the English:
>
> I Know What you have DONE (on the side: HIGH)
>
> I WILL TELL
> DO NOT PLAY WITH ME
>
> Taken together with the imagery..
> Bruce and Diana did have an affair.
> And someone knows and is planning on making Bruce's
> life hell.
> -------------------------
>
> Whomever has sent this to you appears to be accusing
> you of having an affair with Diana. I know from our
> emails that you were/are/had been in love with her.
> And I think others might assume there was an actual
> affair (especially since her marriage to Dale seemed
> to be rocky this past year, and she was spending more
> and more time with you).
>
> The question then becomes, how you are going to
> respond to the sender. This seems quite serious. I'm
> worried for you. Let me know if you get any more
> threats.
>
> Peace, Heather

Dear Heather:

Thanks for your concern. I thought I had just enough of the gist of the message to assume that the nature of the threat concerned Diana. And ironically, it is that fact that leads me to assume that the mail was sent by one of your fellow investigators.

Since the beginning of when you people began involving yourselves in Dale's life, it's been evident that there are a significant number of you who have self-righteously pronounced their certainty that Diana and I were somehow involved. I've gotten mails containing this accusation previously (not as creatively presented, mind you, but similar in their total absence of any shred of factual basis for their belief). And more recently, I know that some of you folks have leveled the same sort of irresponsible charges to Dr. Kendra, to try and turn her against me (fortunately, she has not taken that bait). And I must suspect (though here, it is I who don't have any concrete evidence so far) that the same people are likely whispering the same things in Dale's ear, which certainly can't be helping our reconciliation. So given that background, it's logical to assume that this is just a new form of the same old song and dance.

Heather, in another time and place, I'd happily speak freely with you on this subject -- for my own part, I have nothing to hide. But I have to assume that anything I write to you will be spread among your entire 'community' -- and since I know there are those out there who will smear the truth into something that suits their purposes, I must remain mute. Even though what I've done over the last thirteen years bears no guilt, there are still facts that could be twisted to bring further hurt to Dale, by those whose discretion I trust far less than yours. Forgive me, and trust me -- what I do here I do not to protect myself, but others.

Fondly,
Bruce

I'm very saddened that he doesn't feel he can trust me. But I will try to get him to do so, with the promise that I will not "spread" this info. If you guys will trust me for the truth.

Spec: Maybe Diana was having an affair, but it wasn't with Bruce??????

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 9:50 am

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Letter from Bruce about "Threat"

This is the reply I got to my first letter I sent about the "Threat" drawing he received.
He did give you an "A", ray. Smile

Quoting Sandra <sandra7@...................>:

> Bruce,
>
> Needless to say this set off an alarm with me. I'll get to your other
> email later tonight, but wanted to get this to you asap.
>
> The Italian seems to be talking about pride, envy, and lust.
> The French seems to be "I am not one of them."
>
> Darn it, I have to be away from the computer for an hour or so. When I
> get back, if there's anything else I'll be sure to write and let you
> know.
>
> Bruce, I would take this one seriously. Just call it woman's
> intuition.
>
> Until later,
>
> Sandra

Sandra:

Another case in which we disagree (at least cordially on this issue). My instincts tell me it's one of your overzealous colleagues trying to sweat me on matters about which they imagine I am guilty. It's not the first time that has been tried -- but it is the most original. An A for effort at least.

Pride, envy, and lust, eh? -- have I ever been guilty of any of those sins (at least in the Catholic sense, where thinking about doing something is the same as doing it?) In thirty-odd years, I should think almost anyone would have to 'confess' to having felt all of these emotions, and the rest of the deadly sins as well. But it's a far, far distance from 'lusting in one's heart' (as our ex-president Mr. Carter once said) to having a deep dark secret that could be revealed . . . and in that distance likely lies my absence of serious concern.

Bruce

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 10:08 am

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Letter from Bruce about Dobbs

This is regarding a comment he made about Dobbs trying to get him involved "fellow conspirators" that Dobbs is seeking.

Sandra:

I don't feel comfortable handing over complete texts of mails that the sender would have thought were private, but will convey the context.

Mayor Dobbs communicated with me three times between March 23rd and 28th -- the second of these was in response to my question about whether he had heard of Ash Grove Park amusement park (seems so long ago now, doesn't it?), so doesn't fit. In both of the other two messages, however, while the main message was one of thanking me for my involvement in trying to get Dale back on his feet, there was a comment in each letter in which he mentioned the interests of 'our mutual friends' (obviously the Marzanos, from subsequent events), and made it clear he was working hard to make things 'go away'. In each case, my response made it equally clear that my concerns were helping Dale, and finding the truth about what happened, and not the Marzanos. As a result (i.e., having not found an 'ally'), I have not heard from the man since.

Sincerely,
Bruce

Quoting Sandra <sandra7@.................>:

> Bruce, can you tell me more about this? What type of
> conspiracy is the mayor up to? Now you can't just put
> that tantilizing tid bit out there and not expect me to
> grab on to it. Smile

>
> Sandra

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 10:10 am

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I can definitely say it wasn't me, now for the cat Rolling Eyes

I guess I'll have to make sure she's outside while I'm at work. Wink

Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 10:52 am

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