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McGregor
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StarlitVixen wrote:
@Randoman96

You winz teh game! Congratz!
Or maybe this is all a dream within a dream...
Slenderman created this realty for them. It's all a lie! They've been dead all along! No waking up!
No I'm not watching Inception right now. Shuddup.

@McGregor

I'm not convinced it's another person because of the way the character was introduced. MH has style. It has artist value. The way the scene was played out did not convince me of a new player. Remember how epic it was when Hoody walked onto the screen? After we all assumed it was Jay? Remember how TiMasky chillingly waited for Jay at the house and tackled him?

This character, though... It started off as a run where we had full view of their figure. They even stopped and faced Alex, showing that he was being lured. Then both of them were on the screen and the figure calmly watched TiMasky attack Alex from the background. Just doesn't seem like "new character introduction" to me...


If you think about it this way, hoody's first appearance was in entry 39, and that wasn't exactly ground breaking. Could they not have a more revealing shot in another entry like they did in entry 41? Now, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything because I don't necessarily believe it's someone new. I just think that there's just as much of a chance that it's a new character as it is hoody.

I think that Troy made it incredibly difficult to determine what the mask looks like for this very reason.

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StarlitVixen
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McGregor wrote:
StarlitVixen wrote:
@Randoman96

You winz teh game! Congratz!
Or maybe this is all a dream within a dream...
Slenderman created this realty for them. It's all a lie! They've been dead all along! No waking up!
No I'm not watching Inception right now. Shuddup.

@McGregor

I'm not convinced it's another person because of the way the character was introduced. MH has style. It has artist value. The way the scene was played out did not convince me of a new player. Remember how epic it was when Hoody walked onto the screen? After we all assumed it was Jay? Remember how TiMasky chillingly waited for Jay at the house and tackled him?

This character, though... It started off as a run where we had full view of their figure. They even stopped and faced Alex, showing that he was being lured. Then both of them were on the screen and the figure calmly watched TiMasky attack Alex from the background. Just doesn't seem like "new character introduction" to me...


If you think about it this way, hoody's first appearance was in entry 39, and that wasn't exactly ground breaking. Could they not have a more revealing shot in another entry like they did in entry 41? Now, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything because I don't necessarily believe it's someone new. I just think that there's just as much of a chance that it's a new character as it is hoody.


I don't see #39 as being a character introduction.
I'm just not sold on the new character. I mean, I can see how it could work and if it happened, I wouldn't be totally shocked, but I believe it's Hoody. ^^

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McGregor
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StarlitVixen wrote:
McGregor wrote:
StarlitVixen wrote:
@Randoman96

You winz teh game! Congratz!
Or maybe this is all a dream within a dream...
Slenderman created this realty for them. It's all a lie! They've been dead all along! No waking up!
No I'm not watching Inception right now. Shuddup.

@McGregor

I'm not convinced it's another person because of the way the character was introduced. MH has style. It has artist value. The way the scene was played out did not convince me of a new player. Remember how epic it was when Hoody walked onto the screen? After we all assumed it was Jay? Remember how TiMasky chillingly waited for Jay at the house and tackled him?

This character, though... It started off as a run where we had full view of their figure. They even stopped and faced Alex, showing that he was being lured. Then both of them were on the screen and the figure calmly watched TiMasky attack Alex from the background. Just doesn't seem like "new character introduction" to me...


If you think about it this way, hoody's first appearance was in entry 39, and that wasn't exactly ground breaking. Could they not have a more revealing shot in another entry like they did in entry 41? Now, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything because I don't necessarily believe it's someone new. I just think that there's just as much of a chance that it's a new character as it is hoody.


I don't see #39 as being a character introduction.
I'm just not sold on the new character. I mean, I can see how it could work and if it happened, I wouldn't be totally shocked, but I believe it's Hoody. ^^


Right off the bat, I thought it was hoody, but the more I look at it...I just don't know. I respect what you're saying. Let's just wait and see what's to come.
(Even though it's really hard to Confused)

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 		My $.02 - The hooded figure does not run like any girl I have ever seen. I understand that the do need to have proxies stand in for characters, but that would be a continuity blunder.

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McGregor wrote:
Ok, so I'm still unsure as to whether or not Tim's accomplice there has a new mask or if it's the same on from entry 41. I don't think anyone here is going to convince me until we get proof from the series itself. It is entirely possible that the creators are trying to trick us once again, to make us think that it's someone when it's really someone else, *cough cough* Entry 39. Remember the never ending arguments? That's what is going to happen here until we get confirmation.

Although, I do keep seeing people say the same thing over and over about night visions effects on the clothing. But there's something that's really bothering me about it. I think I must have read, at least half a dozen times, of how Troy and the crew would not introduce another character with the same color hoody. How the hell do you know what color the hoody really is through this night vision? How can you say it's the same color and then go on to say that it's possible that the color of the mask is inverted? There is no way to tell.

I also don't know why all of the sudden people are so against a third totheark member being introduced so late into the series when they could have in fact been there the entire time and just have not made a physical appearance until now.

Either way, I will be satisfied if we have a new member here or not.[/i]


The entire thing isn't in night vision. We see the tan-coloured hoodie before the switch, do we not?

jjocke wrote:
My $.02 - The hooded figure does not run like any girl I have ever seen. I understand that the do need to have proxies stand in for characters, but that would be a continuity blunder.


Yes, because every girl runs exactly the same, especially when they're not quite sane.

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Yuki wrote:
The entire thing isn't in night vision. We see the tan-coloured hoodie before the switch, do we not?


No, the only part of the footage not shot in night vision is a tiny snippet of the porch area. We do, however, get a pretty clear shot of Hoody's trademark black mask.



Although, looking again at the figure we see in the woods just before Alex is sideswipped...



Not knowing how to video camera, is there any indication of there being some difference between the night vision Alex uses when chasing Hoody compared to the night vision he uses while in the woods? We might be missing the very obvious - that the person that Alex chases through suburbia and the person that confronts him in the woods are not the same - one was Hoody and the other was an as-yet-unidentified member of TTA meant to distract Alex. In that case, it very well could have been Hoody performing the take down.

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bobthecrusher wrote:

OOG reasoning behind me ignoring the body portion:
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As much as it pains me to say (I wish that everything was done with the correct actors every time) Jay uses body doubles alot, and typically everything involving body size can typically be ruled out


OOG: This is my first post here, and I haven't gotten through all 39 pages, so hopefully I'm not repeating this concept, but considering the possibility that there are three people in on the Alex attack, can we not suppose that if Troy & co were in need of a body double, that double could have stood in for the supposed third person (the one who actually jumps Alex/is behind the camera), versus our hooded friend? Jusss sayin.

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 		@slendermen_unite This conversation might be useful for you. It summarizes why I feel the usual 'we can ignore physical stature because of body doubles' is not applicable for this Entry.

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Especially seeing as we can't really trust body comparison given that if this is Hoody, then obviously the body is different than the Hoody we saw in #41.

Still. Cool


Well, if we look at the established OOG facts and that Entry #41 seemed to be there primarily to establish that the Masked Figure was not Tim, was not antagonistic towards Jay, and liked to look at sparkly streams of water, then it's possible... Especially when one considers, in comparison, how obviously and with what care Troseph emphasized the entire figure of Hoody in Entry #45...

Or maybe Brian just lost a lot of weight? Shocked


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 		oh thaaaaaanks Smile

and I concur still Smile

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oh thaaaaaanks Smile

and I concur still Smile


No problem. And welcome to the forums. Cool

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
Yuki wrote:
The entire thing isn't in night vision. We see the tan-coloured hoodie before the switch, do we not?


No, the only part of the footage not shot in night vision is a tiny snippet of the porch area. We do, however, get a pretty clear shot of Hoody's trademark black mask.



Although, looking again at the figure we see in the woods just before Alex is sideswipped...



Not knowing how to video camera, is there any indication of there being some difference between the night vision Alex uses when chasing Hoody compared to the night vision he uses while in the woods? We might be missing the very obvious - that the person that Alex chases through suburbia and the person that confronts him in the woods are not the same - one was Hoody and the other was a as-yet-unidentified member of TTA mean to distract Alex. In that case, it very well could have been Hoody performing the take down.


Fuck, this is genius. It's not concrete, but it makes sense. I'll re-analyze the video.

EDIT: Can anyone extract the frames from the video, or tell me ho? Thanks in advance!

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 		Hey y'all,

I waited til someone else said it but I have been wondering something similar. Rather than thinking though that it isn't Blasky standing there, I have been thinking that whoever is kneeling while Alex is on the ground is the new person. I can't tell if the person Alex sees in the distance or the clear shot of Blasky are more different than the image of the person kneeling by Tim.

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 		Hello all, first post here. I've been keeping up somewhat on this thread but it's kind of hard since there's so many posts. Here are my observations (some already mentioned but probably worth mentioning again)

1. Keys. There should be some significance here as he was carrying around quite a lot, and off his belt loop, which is new for Alex.

2. The window. I dont think there was anything important here. People are mentioning that it blurs when he opens the blinds, but this is more likely the auto focus adjusting to a new depth of field when he "takes away" the blinds from the camera's central view.

3. The chase. Our decoy leads Alex considerably far away from his apartment to order to ambush him. Many believe the decoy is Blasky from entry 41, which is what I thought at first but upon watching it several times, I believe this hooded one is not Blasky.
The hoods they are the same style, but this hoodie seems to have a more feminine figure compared to Blasky in 41, as well as not having a black mask. Night Vision screws with color, but black is still black. Check out Tim's mask. the black is still pure black. Plus, this figure appeared to have light color mask with black eyes. I'm convinced this new hoodie is not Blasky and that the Blasky in 41 is TTA, unaffiliated with Tim and this hoodie. Also, in the TTA response after 19, it shows TTA filming J as Operator bait, yet he didn't run away when TO appears. Yet these masks haul ass as soon as they sense the Operator. I believe TTA is against Tim in the "game" that was mentioned in Entry ######

4. The ambush. Yea, this is Tim. I don't think there's any room here to say its not, just cause he doesn't normally wear his bangs in front of his mask. He has his limp, his jacket, a rock for sweet ironic justice, and he's rockin his sideburns. Him and hoodie run away from something and Alex is saved.

5. The savior. The Operator of course. The visual tear that forms the reactangle at the bottom always is a sign that the Operator is close. Plus during the "I'LL KILL YOU" bit, he is seen in that blue mush.

Sorry for the wall of text, and If these things have been said to death, but a couple of these things seemed like open and shut cases to me, such as people saying it might've not been the operator they were running away from.

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dunkmeinariver wrote:
3. The chase. Our decoy leads Alex considerably far away from his apartment to order to ambush him. Many believe the decoy is Blasky from entry 41, which is what I thought at first but upon watching it several times, I believe this hooded one is not Blasky.
The hoods they are the same style, but this hoodie seems to have a more feminine figure compared to Blasky in 41, as well as not having a black mask. Night Vision screws with color, but black is still black. Check out Tim's mask. the black is still pure black. Plus, this figure appeared to have light color mask with black eyes. I'm convinced this new hoodie is not Blasky and that the Blasky in 41 is TTA, unaffiliated with Tim and this hoodie. Also, in the TTA response after 19, it shows TTA filming J as Operator bait, yet he didn't run away when TO appears. Yet these masks haul ass as soon as they sense the Operator. I believe TTA is against Tim in the "game" that was mentioned in Entry ######


OOG:
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Troy had to use a stand-in for the first appearance of Hoody. It does nothing to compare the body types.


Also, please refer a few pages back where there is a video that shows how black fabric reacts in night vision. Masky's black eyes don't change because it's not fabric, it's plastic (or whatever else). Look at the video again, as well. There are several moments (which Mr_Magpie kindly gave us screenshots for) that show when we can see a black mask on the hooded figure.

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StarlitVixen wrote:
OOG:
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Troy had to use a stand-in for the first appearance of Hoody. It does nothing to compare the body types.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
We don't know that 100%. All we know is that Tim had to replace Joseph, my guess is on directorial duties.


Why is Tim still wearing the mask if Alex knows who he is? Shocked

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