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[VIDEO] Entry #45
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morscata12
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Mr. Fischer wrote:
KeithXK wrote:
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. It makes NO SENSE to show one hooded person, then have an entirely different one appear behind Tim as he threatens Alex. It is nonsensical.

Actually, I'm not sorry. This is silly! The point of this entry was to reintroduce Tim into the 6-Month timeline, and to show him and the new masked individual together, and also to show that TO is protecting Alex in some way.

It is NOT to randomly and with no purpose to show three separate masked individuals. Please see the forest for the trees.


What do you mean it makes 'NO SENSE'? It makes complete sense. Tim was clearly injured; so why wouldn't it make sense for this entry to introduce a new masked maniac to lure/incapacitate Alex? When the multiple TTA theory has been blatantly hinted as being true! If our theories are correct (Woodsy/Masky/Blasky), the video STILL introduces Tim into the six month time-line and STILL shows that TTA members are working together!


At the very least, the mask was there to make Alex believe it was the same person. The masks wanted to lure Alex into a trap, so the "bait" hoody Alex sees had to be intentionally recognizable. And Alex would recognize him, since at this point, Alex had probably watched the footage from Jay's returned camera. So it doesn't have to be the same person, but it has to look that way to Alex.

I would not be surprised if Masky's accomplice was different from the person Alex chased down. Since the accomplice was responsible for taking down Alex with psychic powers near Masky, it would be risky if part of the plan was to get chased for blocks beforehand (like if Alex actually caught him). So that's probably motive for using a fake Hoody, if the real one is the only one with any powers.

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TheCrimsonKnight wrote:

Can we be sure they ran away from Slender Man at the end? He certainly WAS there, but could have they been scared of him?


Actually, I don't think the Operator is actually in this video. It's strongly suggested that he's off screen, especially thanks to the video tearing, and an old clip of him is used in the distortion when Alex rages... but he wasn't actually captured on cam this time around.


This was my favorite part of this entry. It plays out like a video game cutscene - the low level mobs stop attacking and run away when the big threat shows up, while the main character thinks he was the one who scared them away and gets cocky. It seemed like Alex didn't see the Operator (yelling "What?!?"), which would explain why he didn't flip the camera around to film it. Now I am wondering, after his last encounter, is Alex capable of seeing the Operator at all?

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Mr. Fischer wrote:
KeithXK wrote:
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. It makes NO SENSE to show one hooded person, then have an entirely different one appear behind Tim as he threatens Alex. It is nonsensical.

Actually, I'm not sorry. This is silly! The point of this entry was to reintroduce Tim into the 6-Month timeline, and to show him and the new masked individual together, and also to show that TO is protecting Alex in some way.

It is NOT to randomly and with no purpose to show three separate masked individuals. Please see the forest for the trees.


What do you mean it makes 'NO SENSE'? It makes complete sense. Tim was clearly injured; so why wouldn't it make sense for this entry to introduce a new masked maniac to lure/incapacitate Alex? When the multiple TTA theory has been blatantly hinted as being true! If our theories are correct (Woodsy/Masky/Blasky), the video STILL introduces Tim into the six month time-line and STILL shows that TTA members are working together!


Seriously? If you were telling this story, you would have two characters who look almost exactly the same, have one of them appear in one scene, and then have another appear in another scene, and never show them together? If you had two people dressed almost identically, you would show them both. Especially if you were going to film in night vision where any real differences would be impossible to determine?

This isn't Tim and his hooded foot soldiers here. There was one hooded individual, and one masked individual, and one Alexed individual. Even if you want to say this hoodie was different from Entry 41 (which he isn't) it would be the WORST possible kind of storytelling to have two hoodies without showing them together in this entry.

This series has always had very deliberate, albeit mysterious storytelling. They are good storytellers. They have done a good job at HINTING at things. There is no HINT that there is two hooded people in this series, only speculation based on clothing color and perceptions of how far apart eye holes are. Which, btw, if it's just a cowl or a large bandana covering his face, can easily shift.

I DO believe based on the distortion in Alex's voice that when he's screaming, that he's partially possessed and we're also hearing TO, kind of like when J's words were echoed mysteriously.

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The person is this entry is definitely Hoody. Someone saw the different mask colors and didn't think about the night vision, had a thought, shared it, and all of a sudden people are twisting facts to suit a theory.

Occam's Razor and most of the hardcore facts (the tan hoodie, the night vision distortion) suggest that it is, in fact, Hoody.

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I think the most damning evidence of Hoody = "Woodsy" is the fact that Alex's shirt and Woodsy's mask appear roughly the same color, and we have confirmation earlier in the entry that Alex is wearing a black shirt. The eyeholes on Hoody's mask are obviously not going to be the same material, because it would be difficult to see out through the eyeholes. They are probably made of some kind of red mesh which would likely react much differently to night vision.

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Occam's razor is bandied about on these forums like it's the word of god. Frankly, it kind of irks me because either side can shout "Occam's Razor!" like it's going to prove something.

Here's what I think:

Could it be another masked person? Sure. It could be someone with a bandana over their face (some of the images are very suggestive of this) but typically with night vision the pupils of the eyes light up or reflect at a brighter shade than they normally would. Never do I see this sort of reflection in the masked hooded figure. This leads me to believe that the eyes of the figure -- because they're so consistently and perfectly dark -- are shaded over or covered somehow. This is indicative of the "Hoody" mask we saw previously.

So do I submit that it -could- be someone else? Yes. It could be. It could be Jessica or Sarah or Seth or Tom Bombadil. Because since I didn't shoot this, edit it, or light it -- I don't presume to think that I -know- the answer with absolute certainty.

This is why it's perfectly fine to let people hash out their theories. Because we could indeed be wrong, despite what seems so obvious to us.

But I think it's Hoody. I think that Hoody is sitting there mulling over what to do as Tim threatens Alex with a rock (which if I were bat-shit crazy and pissed off about someone smashing my knee and probably making me have a limp for the rest of my life -- I could seriously consider saving and using to beat the shit out of the guy that did it to me with) and is trying to decide to HELP Alex or let Tim KILL him. Help or Kill? That IS the question. Killing Alex would solve the problem -- but I don't think that it is so cut and dry for all of the members of TTA as it is for Tim who has a vendetta to settle.

But that's just me.

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This is what I think, and please don't flame me for being "WRONGGGG"

The Masky is obviously Tim. I think everyone agrees with that. I don't think the other masked dude (Woodsy, I guess) is hoody. I think the other masked dude is either Skully (not likely), or the mask from ####### that had no eyebrows or something. I just figured that a black mask, even filmed in night vision, would look, y'know, black. I haven't read through ALL of the pages, so apologies if this has been disproven.
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And also, I think debating the actor's "build" is a bit pointless for OOG reasons.


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DonMonte wrote:


Actually, I don't think the Operator is actually in this video. It's strongly suggested that he's off screen, especially thanks to the video tearing, and an old clip of him is used in the distortion when Alex rages... but he wasn't actually captured on cam this time around.


morscata12 wrote:
This was my favorite part of this entry. It plays out like a video game cutscene - the low level mobs stop attacking and run away when the big threat shows up, while the main character thinks he was the one who scared them away and gets cocky. It seemed like Alex didn't see the Operator (yelling "What?!?"), which would explain why he didn't flip the camera around to film it. Now I am wondering, after his last encounter, is Alex capable of seeing the Operator at all?


Actually, I think a few pages back there are some screen grabs of the operator at the end of the video, during all that blue magic. He's in there at the end, my computer always slows down to a snails pace at that part of the video (which is slightly troubling) and I did see him. I think the debate lied in whether it was an old picture edited in or if it was actually him.

Also I'm curious as to what Alex's "What!?!" meant as well. To me it seemed like some lame kind of taunt like "What? you want a piece of me?" But hearing like that is interesting.

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BoatWithAHoleInIt wrote:
This is what I think, and please don't flame me for being "WRONGGGG"

The Masky is obviously Tim. I think everyone agrees with that. I don't think the other masked dude (Woodsy, I guess) is hoody. I think the other masked dude is either Skully (not likely), or the mask from ####### that had no eyebrows or something. I just figured that a black mask, even filmed in night vision, would look, y'know, black. I haven't read through ALL of the pages, so apologies if this has been disproven.
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And also, I think debating the actor's "build" is a bit pointless for OOG reasons.


Look at mrc0x's post at the top of 41. Proves that black fabric can turn light grey under night vision, by using Alex's t-shirt from the entry as proof.
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I pretty much already proved that on page 29....
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Hi all

Greetings from Mexico!

Sup' guys, I'm new in the forum, just recently started to watch MH and enter the Slenderman lore and looking for more info and answers I ended up here Very Happy

I must say that entry 45 it's one of the best in this season gives a lot of answers and start even more questions. So I would like to share my thoughts about this entry

First of anything: I think it's pointless to argue about if this masked dude it's hoody or a new mask character. We will find out in time, besides I think we have too little info for make a good argument about this masked dude

Now on to the main subject, this entry clears the fact that there's more than one masked character (at least we have 2 xD), but most important it makes us wonder.. This group it's working with TO or against him?

I have some theories about this

1) the masks are the people that survived the encounter with TO and now, infected with his "Slendertrance" they work for him, this would explain why in some occasions there's a little distortion on screen with this guys appears, it's a reminiscence form TO power

2) We know that Tim and Alex were taking some kind of pills so, thaks to this medicine they broke control from TO power and now they are working on different sides, or maybe as double agents... this would also explain why Jay is "out" of the group. If we remember in the first season Alex claimed that "Jay had gone too" so maybe he was under the control of the operator but somehow they manage to set him free (either with the other masks help or even for himself) and now they are trying to keep him out, but the situation it's become more desperate that pushes Timasky to act more violently to reach his goal

3) Now, the other options is that Timasky never broke control from TO and is still working with him to avoid Jay uncovering his motif, so... why did he attack Alex? What did he ran from TO (apparently) in entry 45? we can assume that Tim, even under TO control took very personally his leg being broken and still looks for revenge against TO orders, so he showed up to stop him, that why he ran away

4) other option to this point it's that if Tim and Alex are free form TO control, and according with entry 43 it seems that Alex is maybe being controlled again, so Tim it's taking actions to either set Alex free or to eliminate him for being such a nuisance for the cause.

5) about the identity of totheark and the new masked/hoddie/whoever I think, they are the same ones, they work against TO and they are trying to lead jay to a truth… think about entry ##### the message says: "We will wait for you no more" (plural, more than one, that supports the theory of more than one masked man); "Control is being taken away from you." (he was under control form the operator and then set free, but involving again with Alex and his tapes he went under control from TO again, they want him free of that control for some important reason); "From the start this has been a game (to/for) us, Not anymore." (they are playing either with jay or with the operator, but now they are starting to act more seriously even violently to reach their goal); "I'm coming for you And you will lead me to the ark" (So Jay know something that its very important, the location or identity of "the ark")

Now, let me recap this last point. I think that when jay was under TO control he learn something way too important and that's why he is now being chased but not killed by TO, he wants that piece that Jay have and that the other masks need to eradicate TO

And one more think. If I remember correctly I read some pages back that Troy stated that neither Seth or Sarah will be back to MH (they said that this was posted on Troy's blog but I don't know where I already went all over it and I didn't find anything about this) so we can assume they were killed, and if that's true we can assume that the other masked characters are either Bryan, Jessica or Amy.

And those ladies and gentleman are my 2 cents

Sorry if my theories are a little convoluted… I just spill all my thoughts in the computer, I hope nothing is out of topic and to know your opinion

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I like this ^

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I don't want to smother this person with "WELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOME", but....

WELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOMEWELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quote:
Occam's razor is bandied about on these forums like it's the word of god.


This is true, and I definitely see how it can be frustrating, but I think that given a series like this, the creators are trying to keep it as simple as possible so that it can still be enjoyable for people who aren't - well, us. People who just subscribe to the channel and watch when it comes up, then move on.

With that in mind, I think that Occam's Razor applies in most situations, unless there is overwhelming factual evidence to suggest otherwise.

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x-x I'm starting to get tired of every new person to the thread saying, "That is definitely TiMasky." Ahh I know it was at the beginning of the thread, but we don't need 20 other confirmations. ^^;;

@faktorkhaos-
Welcome to the forum. Good first post.

I'm liking all the different theories about why they lead Alex to the woods. I'm especially favoring the "sacrificing Alex" ones (like I mentioned before).

@ToxicityLevel-
Much love for the "DO I HELP OR DO I KILL?" connection. That would definitely fit in... Seeing as Hoody didn't help Masky attack Alex, but he didn't stop him either. Maybe it was Hoody's plan to lure Alex into the forest, knowing the Operator was bound to show up there? Hoody might have known Masky would attack... but now that I think about it, Hoody was relaxed right up until they "heard something". It seemed like they didn't expect the Operator... maybe they expected him to show up later and thus Masky thought he had some time for revenge?

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StarlitVixen wrote:

I'm liking all the different theories about why they lead Alex to the woods. I'm especially favoring the "sacrificing Alex" ones (like I mentioned before).


Why would the Operator be creepin' in Alex's home, but when Alex goes to the woods, he attacks him?

The way The Operator's relation to Alex reminds me of the Big Daddy and Little Sister in Bioshock, especially when Alex's voice sounds demonic and twisted at the end.

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