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stringbeanman
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 		hm well if he is, it could just be to advise Tim that they are on their way.

or maybe he pressed 0




to talk to the operator

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Cleavuz wrote:
Yeah so, I've looked through 45 again and hoody is definantly pulling out a phone at 1:10. Who's he calling?



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NewInTown2 wrote:
I only think there are 3 people because it would fit nicely with the "multiple TTA Theory" Very Happy. For the moment it doesn't' really matter either way though Razz

Unfortunately, "I like this theory because it makes this other theory make sense" is not an informed argument.

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dunkmeinariver
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12th wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:
You can hear someone running into Alex. How can Tim be running with a limp?


Possibilities:
One: He's really angry and is ignoring the pain in order to ambush Alex.
Two: It's a short distance between Tim and Alex; Tim can manage a run for that distance.
Three: Tim (actor) didn't realize that he would be heard on camera running (unhindered) up to Alex [aka the OOG/production oops theory].


about number 3. When Tim is ambushing Alex, its off screen, so the only thing the filmmakers have to tell the audience what is happening, is the audio. I believe the sounds heard are deliberate. From a production point of view, there's no reason to perform "actions" off screen during a scene unless they can be heard.

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 		Especially in a series where audio cut outs are the norm. They could easilly put some distortion or cut out the audio if they wanted

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 		after reading ALL 45 pages its my turn to post yay!!!!!

First off, I think Woodsy/Hoody/Blasky is not pulling out a phone, he is simply grabbing his hood. Ive tried running with a hood up a couple times and it usually flies backwards, so you have to pull it back up.

I firmly believe a third figure tackled Alex, Although I can see Tim doing it himself out of rage, which impairs any healing he has done with his leg, and then struggles back over to Alex.

The hooded figure in the forest: I can see a division between the upper and lower parts of the face, which is different then Blasky's all black mask with a thin red stitch. The stitching is lower than the division, and even with NV I dont think the stitching would cause a division of the face.

I LOVE vixen's comparison posts, and would be sold on Jay being Woodsy if it wasnt for the thighs. The stance is pretty damn similar though.

One thing that is bothering me: it seems that Tim and Woodsy/Blasky are running away from TO, but are we assuming that they are part of TTA? if they are against TO, how did they get the film for Return?

Another thing thats bothering me is the amount of keys Alex has. You would think a guy laying low for his life would have keys for just car, house,and maybe a mail box? What could the other 30 keys be? I believe it's established one of them is not to Amy's place from entry 43 unless he doesn't want anyone to know he has the key.

I like the idea that TO is some form of Freddie Kruger.

I don't believe "Should I help or should I kill" is relevant here, because how would TTA know when Jay is going to upload certain videos?

I feel like I want to say more, but I'll leave it at that for now

EDIT: fixed some grammar, added another thought
DOUBLE EDIT: Because I fail at my own language

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 		Well, TTA has always been making little remarks at how he is "watching" Jay. The tags in Fragments (I think?) say "always see you", Broadcast makes a mention at watching him suffer, etc etc.

I have no idea how TTA can keep constant surveillance over Jay given how much he's supposedly moving about, but if he CAN monitor Jay's activities, I wouldn't see it as too far fetched for him to know what footage he is about to upload, and when.

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Riovas wrote:

I don't believe "Should I help or should I kill" is relevant here, because how would TTA know when Jay is going to upload certain videos?


Now right there! One fatal mistake. Not a biggie but ToTheArk actually says "Do I help or Do I kill." That could mean anything.

It could even mean that TTA is taunting Jay saying "Do I help someone, or do I kill someone?" In the 7 months. Or maybe it is just asking if he should help or kill. Nothing is that certain yet

Knowing TTA he has this wonderful habit of not using question marks. Razz
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Riovas wrote:
One thing that is bothering me: it seems that Tim and Woodsy/Blasky are running away from TO, but are we assuming that they are part of TTA? if they are against TO, how did they get the film for Return?
Wow, I completely forgot about that! I think with this entry, most of us just assumed that TTA and TO are on different 'sides'.

But if they are, how does anyone explain Return? They definitely didn't look like enemies of each other there.

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Spacechicken
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 		I do not think the fact that Masky and his friend ran away from the Operator necessarily means that the Masked people and the Operator are not on the same side. Perhaps they just did not expect their boss(who is a 7 foot tall omnipotent paranormal creature) to show up right then, and then they realized it was time to get out of the way.

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 		I don't understand why everyone feels that footage of TO = working with TO. Alex and Jay both have plenty of footage of him just by filming themselves. If TTA are working against him, if they are the anti-TO most people think, why is it hard to believe they would ACTIVELY seek out TO to film as needed?

We know that TO-affiliated people can lose time, that's why Alex started recording himself (and Jay). The consensus seems to hinge on the idea that TTA know how TO works. So why couldn't they know exactly how to find TO, how to video tape him, how to draw him out, etc...?

45 seems to be a scare tactic against Alex. Tim had a rock, he clearly just was intimidating, because his buddy could have easily held Alex down while Tim bashed his face in, if he wanted. They wanted to send a message, so obviously they don't want to go toe to toe with TO if it isn't necessary.

Besides, why does everyone think TTA wants Jay to take them to the Ark? It's Alex's footage that started this, but he refused to keep going. Why couldn't it be that Tim, Brian, and Seth got involved in MH WITH THE INTENT to suck Alex in and get him to find the Ark?

All their messages could be aimed at getting Jay to reel Alex in. They jump Alex in the forest and tell him the game is over, that its time to find the Ark. Think about the house from the first episode of season 2. Tim didn't show himself until Alex was there. Think about Alex's behavior from the first episode. He said he was "done with all of it." What about the scene in the woods now in 45? They tell him that they are going to come for him. He screams that he will kill them if they do. He is sick of them trying to get something from him.

Doesn't that sound like something you'd say if three guys you were working with kept sucking you in to this crazy plot to overthrow TO and running your life?

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ALEXGORDON wrote:
Riovas wrote:
One thing that is bothering me: it seems that Tim and Woodsy/Blasky are running away from TO, but are we assuming that they are part of TTA? if they are against TO, how did they get the film for Return?
Wow, I completely forgot about that! I think with this entry, most of us just assumed that TTA and TO are on different 'sides'.

But if they are, how does anyone explain Return? They definitely didn't look like enemies of each other there.


It's been suggested that in Return Masky was protecting Jay from the Operator. Oppy's never been shown to move quickly while on camera, but seems to appear out of nowhere. Maybe Masky trained the camera on Jay as a way to slow the Operator down once he appeared and lead Oppy away.

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DonMonte wrote:
ALEXGORDON wrote:
Riovas wrote:
One thing that is bothering me: it seems that Tim and Woodsy/Blasky are running away from TO, but are we assuming that they are part of TTA? if they are against TO, how did they get the film for Return?
Wow, I completely forgot about that! I think with this entry, most of us just assumed that TTA and TO are on different 'sides'.

But if they are, how does anyone explain Return? They definitely didn't look like enemies of each other there.


It's been suggested that in Return Masky was protecting Jay from the Operator. Oppy's never been shown to move quickly while on camera, but seems to appear out of nowhere. Maybe Masky trained the camera on Jay as a way to slow the Operator down once he appeared and lead Oppy away.


To quote myself from another thread:
Return is just... a very confusing TTA video in general. It's my personal opinion that TTA was distracting the Operator from Jay by manning the camera... but Return directly follows Entry #19, which means that, as far as we can tell, it was actually Tim who led Jay from his apartment back to (what appears to be) the hallway in Brian's house. Throughout all of Season One TTA seemed to emphasize Jay needing to go to Brian's house. But why? What about Jay being in Brian's house finally caused the Operator to return ( Cool ) after a three year long absence? It's not as if Jay hadn't been investigating the tapes and generally bumbling about long before that point, yet TTA seems to have specifically set up this series of events knowing that the Operator would appear.

It certainly doesn't make any sense that now, in Entry #45, they would suddenly be frightened of the Operator, which is why I don't think that it was the Operator that frightened them away at all.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:


To quote myself from another thread:
Return is just... a very confusing TTA video in general. It's my personal opinion that TTA was distracting the Operator from Jay by manning the camera... but Return directly follows Entry #19, which means that, as far as we can tell, it was actually Tim who led Jay from his apartment back to (what appears to be) the hallway in Brian's house. Throughout all of Season One TTA seemed to emphasize Jay needing to go to Brian's house. But why? What about Jay being in Brian's house finally caused the Operator to return ( Cool ) after a three year long absence? It's not as if Jay hadn't been investigating the tapes and generally bumbling about long before that point, yet TTA seems to have specifically set up this series of events knowing that the Operator would appear.

It certainly doesn't make any sense that now, in Entry #45, they would suddenly be frightened of the Operator, which is why I don't think that it was the Operator that frightened them away at all.


The only issue I have with this is really from a sort-of OOG standpoint.

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They have never directly misdirected us before. They withhold information, sure, but never mislead. I severely doubt that the Operator did not make an appearance, given his tell-tale visual tearing appearing only seconds before the Masks look up and see something, then run. If it isn't the Operator, then it was a huge misdirect, which is something that Troy and the gang have not done, and should never do.


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Xicon wrote:

The only issue I have with this is really from a sort-of OOG standpoint.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
They have never directly misdirected us before. They withhold information, sure, but never mislead. I severely doubt that the Operator did not make an appearance, given his tell-tale visual tearing appearing only seconds before the Masks look up and see something, then run. If it isn't the Operator, then it was a huge misdirect, which is something that Troy and the gang have not done, and should never do.


I can totally see where you're coming from with this objection, and I would generally agree with you - except that what they seem to be doing at the end of Entry #45 is a sort of sleigh-of-hand misdirect. They set up the tell-tale video tearing and audio distortion (both of which we have seen before in other Entries where there is no Operator presence) then couple it with Tim and Hoody (and the third Masky on the grass knoll) seemingly being spooked by something, finished off with the split-second glimpse we catch of the Operator during the final period of distortion.

However, we quickly discovered that the Operator image we saw in the distortion was actually a piece of footage from Jay's camera. Nevermind the disturbing question of how it could have possibly ended up there - the question is why was it put there? If they wanted to imply straightforwardly that the Operator was there, it would have been just as easy to have a brief glimpse of the Operator actually present, or, even easier, to have nothing there at all. The audience assumption still would have been that the Operator had been there.

From my point of view, it's true that Troseph don't normally seem to purposely misdirect us - but they also don't do things for no reason.

Another objection I have to the Operator actually having been physically present at the end of Entry #45 is the fact that, just after Hoody/Woodsy and Tim flee the scene, Alex glances back behind him as well. It's obvious that he sees nothing, let alone Tall, Dark, and Eldritch.

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