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[Wandering_Angela]

Don't think so

[m0tive]

[Anton P. Nym]

Personally, I think Herzog is working for Section Zero since it's been expressly stated in-game that Section Zero is out to get Standish. (In the Military conversations, 'way back before Melissa could talk to us by telephone. Can't link, as the etaoin shrdlu firewall at work is blocking the Fireflies wiki right now. Grr...)

As far as what Section Zero of ONI is or does goes, I haven't the faintest idea beyond a wild guess that it's the Internal Affairs department assigned to investigate its own operations. But that guess is really wild; don't base any theories on it yet.

I agree with Wandering_Angela that Herzog is NOT Jersey's father, unless Durga was misled or is lying. Durga told Jersey that Corporal Morelli was in deep space at the time that news of Reach's glassing arrived. Herzog was quite evidently on Earth at the time.

-- Steve's hoping that Standish gets a brief ride up the yardarm soon; the thuggish goon doesn't see that he's doing more harm than good.

[DeceptaconS]

Come on guys, I thought you have been listening to the .wav files. Durga never knew she was spying on Herzog. And Does not know his name as of yet. She just started getting bits and pieces. Therefore Everything that we heard.... Durga did in her sleep. It makes sense when you think about it. She just found out she was sleep spying, Which explains why she cannot tell Jersey who she is Sleep spying on.

Durga only knows what the Sleeping Princess Knows......HumptyDumpty
And Since we know the the Operator/Melissa/Sleeping PrincessX=DurgaY. In the Present Time there is more X than there is Y in the Future. Meaning the the Present version of Melissa has access to more Files than the Future version. I know It sounds Backwards but it is true. The Melissa on the ilovebees server is Hidding .wav files from the Melissa(or Durga) in the Future.

[Shadowkiller]

I think some people are trying to over complicate the Castaway. The Castaway was just a plot device to get Durga to Jersey. It is obvious Melissa has strong feelings for the Castaway because he made her feel real. Melissa must have fled the Apocolypso and went to the one person she could trust, or more correctly his son. She probably had little options at the time since Section 3 was probably trying to delete her, and we know there was Navy Sentinals around sniffing around Jersey's hardware. So far Jersey has never given me any reason to believe they were there for him or his AI. The only reason I can think of was because they were following Melissa. We have yet to learn why the Apocolypso crashed out of slip space (or whatever it is) and I think we will learn before the everything is said and done.

[m0tive]

Well, we've been getting the Herzog wavs since week one. Herzog was in his office talking about being evac'd from Troy (using his cranky old man voice) when the Apocalypso crashed out of the slipstream.

So if he is Jersey's dad/castaway, he was on the Apocalypso talking with melissa before the object was ever encountered. It was at this time he got to Mckaskill and made him a contact before he left the ship. The Apocaypso then goes deep into Covenant space and encounters the object. Melissa intercepts Mckaskill's transmission to Herzog. The ship heads home and something happens and it is knocked out of the slipstream......and we know the rest.

P.S. the black op Mckaskill was speaking to James^2 about wasn't the Rani black op, it was about his ship and why the captain got hit by a bus.

P.S.S. Completely forgot about Section 0

[johnny5]

There was a good bit of discussion regarding Herzog-Castaway
[URL=http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=82156&highlight=#82156]Here[/url]

[SuperJerms]

Do bear in mind that you are making a jump from McKaskill's contact as the same person Melissa had drinks with. We don't know that. It's a logical conclusion because both were on the Apoc at one time, but it's a jump nonetheless.

It's also possible that McKaskill made his contact while the ship was docked. Herzog slips in, contacts his asset, leaves, blastoff. We know that the Apoc picked up the Castaway in deep space, where he was busy laying down sound bouys. Oh, and we know that Herzog has an old man bit (plus, Weedy saw through it to a certain extent..."probably not his real <name>).

That allows Herzog and Morelli to be two seperate people. Not ruling out your idea, but both are possible.

[johnny5]

To bring the discussion in here for simplicity:

[Platonix]

Here's another point for Herzog != Jason Morelli.

[kevjuice]

if that is the true definition for weedy then i have a huge case of it