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Mariolee
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Calling it now. TTA is Tim, Brian, Alex, and one other person.

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Mariolee wrote:
Calling it now. TTA is Tim, Brian, Alex, and one other person.

Most likely Amy or Seth... Maybe?

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MistrPibb wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
Calling it now. TTA is Tim, Brian, Alex, and one other person.

Most likely Amy or Seth... Maybe?


Well, seeing your theory and the Mariolee/Inquiry theory about the four people being TTA, I seriously can't see who that first person could be. The other ones seem to be Brian, Alex, and Tim, but I can't recognize who the first face is. Can someone repost it?

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Tim and Alex were clearly not on the best of terms during the missing months. I can't see them working together.

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Zarggg wrote:
Tim and Alex were clearly not on the best of terms during the missing months. I can't see them working together.


What I'm thinking was Alex hacked the TTA account to upload certain videos. Though I have nothing to back that up unfortunately. Sad

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First time poster with a free Sunday and too who needed a distraction from chores.

I have a very long theory on who it is, and i'm going to post it in this thread as to not disturb anyone by creating an entirely new thread on this subject.

A word of warning: You're about to be bombarded with a wall of words that may require more than one post. You have been warned.

But first, I am going to post to TLDR version of my theory with none of the actual explanation in case you don't want to have to read the short story I am about to share with everyone.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

ToTheArk is the Operator. This video account is the only manner in which he can communicate with the outside world. He does so indirectly through Slendersickness overtaking any number of the cast members. Jay is "The Ark". His username is meant to imply that the messages are sent to Jay. Jay is the vessel by which the Operator will get to Alex, who he has a bone to pick with for some reason or another.


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Recently I have been looking back through the old entries more thoroughly and it has helped me form a theory on who I think totheark is. I think I have overwhelming evidence to my theory, but I would like others to look over it and see what they think, because it's no fun if I don't share my findings, is it?

In order to have a full scope of who ToTheArk may be, we will need to review all of the ToTheArk videos, and what they refer to directly.

Hopefully I haven't just spent an afternoon on something that someone else has already fully realized and I am just blowing hot air and wasting space here.

Let's start at the beginning, shall we?


Regards:

This first entry in the ToTheArk series of videos is very basic. The video tells it's intended viewer in code to 'look closely'.

What I want to address about regards though in relation to my theory, is the title of the video itself.

The title is often how one would end a formal letter 'back in the day' to someone they have had contact with, but weren't overly familiar with. "Regards, Bob", or "Best Regards, Jane." If we are to assume this is the meaning of the title, then this right out of the gate can explain the user name. These are meant to be addressed to an individial person.

"To: The Ark.

Look Closely.

Regards, your newly acquainted friend."


Operator:

This video is also pretty basic. It tells it's intended viewer to 'listen'. It contains audio that seems as if it could be the missing audio from entry 10.

I would however, like to point out the riddle in which ToTheArk tells us to listen, because I think there is more to it than was ever initially thought.

The riddle itself is:
Lakes
In Stillnesss will
Take
Every
life
of the
Night

The title of this video is eventually revealed to be the name of the entity we are viewing along with Jay in these videos.

Deluge:

The fourth video in the series, this video contains the messaging "WATCHING YOU", with the word 'You' in bolded letters for emphasis. The audio is said to contain the word 'Alex' as if being said by a female voice if you play it in reverse, but other than this very little has been gleened from this video.

My theory as it why goes back to ToTheArk's user name and what it would represent should my theory be right. If ToTheArk really means " To: The Ark", then this video is meant to convey the following.

"To: The Ark.

You've been watching me. Now i'm watching YOU."

I would also like to address the meaning of the word deluge. Deluge means water overtaking the land, like in a flood or a heavy rain.

Entry 12:

The gang is out in a clearing at Rosswood, doing a bit of filming. A nondescript face can be seen in the distance of the shot, and the camera girl is a bit putoff at him being there. Alex tells her to ignore him, he'll wander off. But when she goes to see if he's left the background yet, he is even closer still. She sighs a bit in exasperation, and Alex says he'll go talk to the guy, then runs off to do so.

J expressed via youtube messages to a viewer of marble hornets that he thought entry 12 might have more video due to the fact there was still four or five minutes of tape left, but he hasn't been able to find it on another tape anywhere.

Impurity:

In Impurity, we are shown filmed video of a thunderstorm, and a coded message hidden in zeros that says "There was more."

The word Operator appears again in this video as well.

This video literally states that there *was* more, it's just not there, for reasons that ToTheArk apparently doesn't feel like explaining.

Entry 13:
Alex asks Jay to run back to the car and get something, so Jay does. As Alex is alone, he encounters the Operator not once, but twice.

Exit:
The video starts with an anagram for the word "Operator". It shows Jay retrieving the object from the car that Alex asked him to get. Considering Alex was the only one in the entire area that we are aware of trasping about with a camera, this footage is highly considered to be taken with Alex's camera.

When displayed in windows media player instead of you tube, the question "Where is the ark" is displayed.

Once again, if we take my initial theory that these videos are meant to be addressed to "The Ark" as an entity, and not as a place or thing, then the question can be translated as "Where are you?"

Entry 14:
We are greeted to a lovely view of Alex's bedroom door with no audio. After a few seconds, our favourite faceless entity comes strolling through. Alex reacts, but as he looks around the room he doesn't see anything.

Shutting off the lights, we presume he lays back down. 32 minutes pass and the tape changes, and we see Alex again bleeding profusely from his head and staring off camera.

Program:
Mostly this video is showing a image of a house, obscured by trees. It is reading, and an S is shown. In it we are given the message "Bleedmore" and "YAMA".

Bleed More could be referring to the previous video, in which Alex is caused to bleed by mysterious means. ToTheArk may be gleeful and happy at the fact that Alex was bleeding. Also, the word "YAMA" is found. Some associate it to the Hindu God of death, while others believe it to be an acryonym for "You Are My Ark". As you will see as this progresses I fall into camp two.

This is also the first appearance of an S symbol that I could find.

Entry 15:
Jay tricks Tim, one of the Marble Hornet actors, into talking with him about Marble Hornets under the guise of doing a screen test. However once Jay talks with Tim, his lack of deceptive social skills causes Tim to pull back into his shell when Jay wants to know about Alex's weird behavior, and, more to the point, the Operator. Tim denies any knowledge of the Operator, but his refusal doth protest quite a bit.

Advocate:
The video starts with the words 'tick tock' written upside down, then shows us a very poor image of Brian. The funny S symbol is present yet again.

The title of the video, Advocate, means 'a person who intercedes on the behalf of another'. Specifically, we could translate it as 'a person who speaks on behalf of another or acts as a mediator.'

Entry 16:

Jay decides to go to Brian's house. Arming himself with his camera and flashlight, Jay knocks on the door and then coughs. When no one answers, he tries the knob but finds it locked. Knocking two more times and trying the knob again, he relents that no one is answering, and gives the house a once over look before turning off his flashlight to go around back. Turning on his light again, he tries knocking on the sliding glass door in the back of the house, with still no answer.

This door is open though, so Jay takes the opportunity to invite himself in, and finds the place in severe disarray. As he looks around he calls out for Brian or Alex, with no response. Continuing his search, Jay discovers a closet with bedding, a water bottle, and the word "BONE" in it, hears some loud crashing sound, and basically hurp derps his way around the house. He eventually also discovered a sink full of dried blood, some of Alex's crazy drawings, a bullet casing, and some kind of medication. He leaves the house with the last three items, and a coughing fit, commenting he may eventually return.

Addition:

This is a video of Jay having one of his coughing fits in Brian's house, with the caption " SEE YOU". The video description is "//eyes\\"

The title is self explanatory. Whoever ToTheArk is, he was in the house when Jay was in the house and even though Jay did not see him, ToTheArk definitely saw Jay.

Signal:

Stock Footage of the movie "Silent Snow, Secret Snow" is shown. For a reference, this movie is about a boy who withdrawls from the normal world, instead deciding to live in a dream one filled with snow. No one else wants to indulge his obvious mental issues, and because of that he pulls away from his family and friends. He becomes increasingly irritable with everyone, locking himself in his room so he can live in his delusions of snow in solitude.

The audio used from this film in Signal is "Just wait 'til we're alone together, and I'll show you something new, something cold, something sleepy, something of cease and peace, and the long bright curve of space. Banish them, refuse to speak. Leave them. Go upstairs to your room. I will surround your bed. Close the windows, so that none will ever again be able to enter. I will be waiting for you."

Inbetween this footage, the intended viewer is told "Come Back" and "Find Me".

This is another video where the meaning of the title is pretty obvious. ToTheArk is sending a signal to "His Ark" to "Come and Find Him at Brian's House."

Entry 18:

Jay goes back to the house, this time, armed. He goes on again, and finds a doll errily similar to our friend the Operator. As he picks it up, Tim as his masked alter ego says "Boo." Jay, not knowing who it is, assumes it's Alex and gets all excited, before Tim *seemingly* attacks him. They struggle a bit, and Tim has a seizure for some reason. Jay tries to take the opening to remove Tim's mask, Tim screams the word "No", then tries to escape. His camera cuts out again, and he awakens in the middle of nowhere in his car, but without his knife.

Now, this is the crucial point in which when people started to believe that Tim and ToTheArk were the same individual, because ToTheArk asked Jay to come over to the house, and Tim happened to be there. While this is a decent natural assumption, it fails to acknowledge that this information is being posted all over the internet for the world to see, and Jay has already tipped off Tim that he is investigating the Operator again. I would like you to think of this from Tim's perspective for a moment.

You were being stalked by a monster, who you've figured out now thanks to videos on the internet, was only stalking you because this guy you didn't like (Alex) was provoking it. We can assume that all your friends from the shoot have been disappearing and acting crazy as well (Since Alex states this at one point), and that most of this died down after Alex took a walk and left town without a trace.

And now some jackass you vaguely know is poking the monster into coming back out hiding. If you didn't want to talk to Jay before about it, you probably wouldn't want to talk to him about it later either.

But what you might do is go out of your way to be where you know he is going to be, and stop him from doing anything stupid by whatever means necessary, including attacking him.

After Jay lost tape, he is found again elsewhere in his car. Either A: The Operator took him there, and for some strange reason robbed him of his knife.

Or

B: Tim took him there to safety away from the house, took the knife from Jay so incase Jay randomly woke he wouldn't get stabbed, and left him out there in the middle of nowhere where he thought Jay would be safe. If you are to assume all of the masked individuals are together, this would mirror behavior from the one we call "Hoody", and how he returned Jay's Camera to his car after he lost it in the woods.

Either way, this is our first hint that ToTheArk is not Tim.

Messages:

Images of a sinking ship are shown in correlation to Tim. Over all of this is the phrase "Tell Us. You have been keeping secrets. Smile for the camera."

Many people translate this at ToTheArk telling us that Jay has been hiding footage from us, but once again, given the facts we now know, why would Tim of all people be shown at the end of the video? If Tim and ToTheArk are the same person, why is Tim associating himself at all to ToTheArk? That seems like poor decision making.

"Hey yo this is Tim you should totally be telling us the truth bro"?

No. I believe this is the turning point in which the videos start addressing others besides "The Ark" and that this video is addressing Tim. I believe it is telling Tim " Tell us (The Ark and I) what kind of secrets you are keeping from us Tim, because I don't like this game."

Entry 19 or "Nice place you got here":

Jay reveals he has gone into paranoid taping much like Alex did. He says he doesn't find anything unusual, until one specific night.

This night after Jay falls asleep, Tim somehow shows up in his house. He shuts down Jay's camera, setting up his own next to it. he then proceeds to just hang around for a good length of time, bouncing around Jay's room at will. He takes a nice good shot of his mask. It is here the visual tearing starts again. Then the room is empty.

Jay says it stays that way for three hours until he returns and passes out immediately. He also says he suspects Tim to be ToTheArk.

But then again, who else would he have to suspect at this point? No one but Tim has shown themselves to him, not even Alex.

Once again, if we apply later videos to these ones, the logic of the Masks does not seem to be to hurt Jay. It seems to me since he just sat there watching him while he slept for a good chunk of time, this may have been an attempt by Tim to somehow protect him from the Operator. So long as Jay remains unconscious, he is vulnerable to the Operator's will (We have seen Alex fall asleep and wake up bleeding once already.)

Have you ever noticed how the entire video, Tim seems to make sure his back is to a wall and he is in a position where he can see the rest of the room? It isn't until he gets up close to the camera that the distortions begin again, and they both disappear. Perhaps he turned his back to the room at a bad time...

When Tim goes to check his camera for some reason ( I am guessing this is what he is *actually doing* when he gets quite close to the camera and not just filming his face, we have seen a number of similar shots from both Alex and Jay) is when the two of them disappear from the room and the digital camera comes back on.


Return:

In this video, we find out where Jay went. Apparently, he went into the hallway with the Operator to have bonding time.

The message in this video is very blatent. "Found You." with the added tagline of "Forever."

Now I know what you are wondering here. If Tim isn't the one who 'found him', who did? The only other logical conclusion is the Operator.

The Operator found him. And now, Jay has seen that which he cannot unsee with his very eyes. Which means the Operator has him in his cluthes, forever.

You see where I'm going with this yet? If you've actually managed to not fall asleep reading all this, then you should.

Version:
This video is discoloured, upside down footage of entry 5. The following words are hidden in zeros:

poison
random
endings
centered
excludes
death
encountering
stale
truth
receives
endangering
every
section

While I am sure these words separately are important, the first letter of each says 'precedestrees'. It is speculated that the word Operator is also in this video hidden in highly augmented morse code, and the words "Waiting for you" with emphasis on waiting and you.

ToTheArk wishes the intended viewer to know either one of two things.

Either A: That tower precedes (comes before) the forest surrounding it, which would make it more than just some fireman training equipment, or B: he wishes us to know that this entry precedes the one in which the Operator is seen in the trees/field in entry 12, but I am uncertain as to which message he is trying to convey at this time.

Attention:

Video of people traveling on bikes, as well as a soldier going to dispose of something played forwards than reverse is shown. The video sends the messages "Wake Up", "Return to Us" and "Awaiting You Arrival."

Many fans speculated that this was aimed at Jay, though if my theory is correct, this is one of the other few videos posted by ToTheArk that isn't addressed to Jay. It is an address to Alex.

Admission:

This video shows the Operator walking in front of the blinds at Brian's house, and one of the doors opening and shutting. It claims "There are doors left unopened."

Admission means to allow entrance. It is clear that whoever ToTheArk may be, he has enough authority in this situation to somehow allow Jay entrance to parts of the house that Jay could not previously enter for some reason.

Warning:
This video claims to be raw footage from Alex Kralie himself. This is the point at which people begin to suspect ToTheArk may be Alex. However, is there any evidence to show that ToTheArk may have just stolen this footage as he has been known to do in the past?

This video is some very frantic imagery not unlike the sort of thing we commonly see associated to Slender-sickness. It is, in essense, the horribly cryptic spooky doodles put into film form. Anyone we know so far or some who are not even introduced yet could have made this film in his/her sick state, and ToTheArk could just be using it to his advantage in much the same way he has done with stock footage. The video tells it's intended viewer to stay at home, keep his eyes open, and be alone.

It depicts what I believe to be The Operator capturing the masked man, which would mirror imagery from the entry before it. In the previous entry, when Tim and Jay run into each other in Brian's House, Tim once again does not harm Jay, but runs from him. Later, we see his mask, sans Tim, hanging from a doorknob.

Let us say for a moment that this video has been stole from someone else and placed on ToTheArk's account to put him at an advantage. Who would make such a video?

I submit that Tim, now captured by the Operator, made this video for ToTheArk under the influence of Slendersickness. The video is clear. Tim was captured, there is no one to help him (Jay) now. He should stay at home and hide. I notice that everytime we see Tim's mask, the imagery is either very tight or blurred (making it hard to tell *who* is wearing the mask, but for all we know it could still be Tim). The use of the "Alex krahlie's raw footage" quote, and "Smile for the camera" suggest the creator knows the other videos well. He also says to "Smile for Death".

Title of this one also seems obvious. It is a warning, though I believe it was meant as a warning to Jay, and ToTheArk corrupted it's meaning in order to use it to his advantage.

Entry ######:
I am noting this entry in the timeline not because I think it is by ToTheArk, but because others do and I think to make my theory correct, I am forced to debunk others as well.

This video shows multiple images of masks, which many believe to be more than one mask. It also focuses heavily on Tim. While this video *is* visually similar to previous video that had been posted by ToTheArk, it is worth noting that unlike *any* of the other videos, Tim actually talks in this video in a manner that does not need to be translated or decoded, sending a message to someone. For a ToTheArk entry, it is amazingly straightforward and coherent.

I believe Tim is sending a message directly to "ToTheArk", and not Jay. After all, Jay watches ToTheArk's every move, and he knows Tim has been in his house before, so hacking his account is not going to further gain ToTheArk anything. It would however, gain ToTheArk's attention if someone like Tim hacked Jay's account with a message directed at ToTheArk. Tim could easily just break into Jay's house as he has in the past, and upload the Video from Jay's own PC without him realizing until Jay himself saw the post.

Tim is shown putting on his jacket during the video, a common sign one is preparing themselves.

He states "We will wait for you no more. Control is being taken away from you. From the start this has been a game for us. Not anymore. I'm coming for you. And you will lead me to the ark."

I believe this video is addressing ToTheArk, letting him know through the course of everything, he has held all of the cards, but not anymore. Tim is sick of playing this game with him, and he is going to assure that the game ends by whatever means necessary. He will find ToTheArk and when he does, ToTheArk shall lead him 'to the ark'.

Fragments:

ToTheArk disappears for some time until the Fragments Video. It's description is 'hello again', and it's tags are "always" "See" and "You". It shows images of Alex being more and more destroyed, and the text says "You are broken" and "You cannot be fixed".

If we assume this video is meant to address Jay, then one can assume that ToTheArk is informing Jay that he is incapable of going back to a simple way of life. He has seen what he cannot unseen, and there is no return from that.

Alex's image may be used as symbolism to show Jay that this is what has happened to Alex, and it will be what happens to Jay. It could also be that ToTheArk wants to harm Alex, and this is why his picture is treated as such.

A fragment is an incomplete piece of a whole, perhaps suggesting that Alex, as well as others, are only pieces to a larger something.

Broadcast:

The visuals are of water, though weather under water footage looking up, or above water footage looking down is unclear. It's description is "are you drowning".

There is heavily distorted audio that says "Enjoying watching you suffer. Will you know me? I will always know you." The audio is later determined to be a text to speech program, meaning still to this point no voice has been conclusively pinned down as ToTheArk's real voice.

The word broadcast has two meanings. We are used to associating it to television and radio, but before either of these objects were invented, it meant to scatter or sow something over a broad area, such as plant seeds. This could suggest that something could've/has been planted in Jay from long distance.

Sidetone:

The description of this video is #000-0000. As we all know, dialing zero on your phone connects you to the operator, or it used to on landline phones. Shadows and furniture and a figure who appears to be the Operator are shown and the audio is Alex's voicemail box. He says to leave him a message and he'll get back to him, but over this the a numerical code which ends up spelling out the word "LIES".

Sidetone is a very unknown word and it is one I had to track down. Apparently, Sidetone is used to describe the sound of your voice in a telephone being reverted back at you. The phone companies when they were first starting had to find a name for this so they could describe whether the user was getting too much 'sideline' (could hear too much of their own voice coming back at them, causing them to lower their voice because they thought they were speaking too loud), or too much (Which caused a person to scream into the phone thinking they were talking too quietly and that the person on the other end couldn't hear them).

I suspect in this case it is referring to the fact that there is no sidetone (because Alex won't pick up), nor will there be.

I also want to address that this is the second time ToTheArk has suggested someone is untrustworthy. The first instance of this I can find is Citizen Ed addressing ToTheArk directly in the earlier days of his videos as to whether or not Jay is to be trusted. ToTheArk's response is 'human, therefore no'. One could take this as a very cynical comment from a very bitter person on the situation of society as a whole and how people are untrustworthy by nature, but one could equally take it as if the speaker is stating 'this is a human, humans cannot be trusted', and such a statement would suggest ToTheArk is either not human, or doesn't consider himself to be.

enttry 37 or "People without mouths will still show up to parties for free cake":

The description to this video is "memories". This is unusual because often times it is ToTheArk that posts only one word descriptives.

It is a video of Alex's birthday. There's a lot of normal birthday fare, right up until the Operator appears during Alex's candles being blown out.

The time stamp on the video freaks out thusly:

"JUN 3 1900, 8:23 PM"
"JULY 10 1999, 6:03 AM"
"AUG 30 1891, 1:00 PM"
"MAY 17 1988, 9:00 AM"
"SEP 4 1991, 10:48 AM"
"JAN 1 1992, 12:00 AM"
"FEB 29 1996, 4:44 AM"
"DEC 31 1999, 11:58 PM"
"MAR 3 1981, 9:42 AM"
"NOV 12 1993, 12:34 AM"
"JUN 6 1944, 9:99 AM"
"APR 4 1991, 6:03 PM."

As you can see, four of these dates preclude the modern day camcorder (Depending on what to consider that to be, I am going with the Betamax dates), though all of them exist within the timeline that cameras existed in some form.

This video I do believe was posted by ToTheArk from Jay's account. I believe the message was clear: "This game has been played for a very very very long time, both with Alex, and in general."

Forecast:
This is the video with the dog lung in it, and the extra footage taken by the person who is looking into Jay's car as he sleeps. The description is "see you saw you" encoded.

Over the lung is a number code which is found to spell out " A M I A P R O P H E T". I think the choice of a lung is interesting, considering that ToTheArk has commented earlier in his videos that Jay is drowning. Now we are shown a lung that is trying to be brought back to functioning order.

He tells Jay that there is something he'd like to show him, and it's video of Jay sleeping all snuggly in the back of his car, presumably taken by the person from the video before this one who passed his car at night. But was this ToTheArk? Or was this a Mask unassociated to ToTheArk simply keeping his/her eyes on Jay while he slept, much like I speculated Tim did in previous entries?

The forecast means to predict something happening. This title could mean to suggest that ToTheArk told Jay that Alex would abandon him, and Alex did.

Intermission:
This video asks the question "I saw you, did you see me?" With sketches of the forest in a style similar to the sort of thing a slendersick individual might depict situations they 'saw' but cannot talk about. It depicts a figure that appears to be a Mask hiding amoungst the trees. Some think this figure is meant to represent "There I was, right there. You didn't see me?"

I believe it is meant to goad the Masks. I believe it is meant to say " I saw you out there in the woods, but you are so in a tizzy now to acheive your goals, you didn't see me."

I think the title to this one is pretty obvious. It's a short break before the next part of the story unfolds itself.

Indicator:

The description to this one is "blind".

It shows images of a doll with markings similar to Tims mask burnt on it, and an operator phone key melted into it's eye. There appears to be saran wrap in the baby dolls mouth. This could be another sign of being deprived of air (like when you drown?)

There is text throughout the video of this doll shown wandering like a helpless child and being captured behind a picket fence that read as follows:

MESSAGES EVERYWHERE
SIGNS EVERYWHERE
YOU WILL NEVER BE FREE

There is more code which translates to "He Lies" (Surprise?) and the video ends. It seems to me that ToTheArk is trying to say that "Everything is telling you that you're not going to escape. Why do you keep trying?"

Memories:

The description is code for 54321, suggesting a countdown of sorts.

The video is black and white night footage. A bench is shown from two different angles. The words "YEARS WASTED" are shown, then two white lights that possible represent eyes. The next set of words is ""YOU'VE DONE" and then pauses, adding"NOTHING". which shows particular emphasis on the second statement.

Two boards are shown with oddly shaped a connecting S. One has a face with spinning stars for it's eyes. Then, the Operator symbol is placed over the face. Then:
SO MUCH
MORE
THAN TIME
HAS BEEN
TAKEN

The video ends with a close up of two white circles.

I believe the person being refered to here is Alex. He has been wasting years doing nothing that ToTheArk feels he should be doing.

I believe the title refers to what exactly has been taken.

Inquiry:

The very last up to this point in the series of ToTheArk Videos.

It shows series of what appears to be distorted faces. It tells the viewer to look at themselves, and that "they are who they are." An operator symbol is placed over one of these images of a person.

But "WHO ARE YOU?"

People speculate that the people in the photos look like Tim, Jay, and Alex. If they are, it is likely meant to engage them in asking "You are you, but who is that really? Do you even know anymore?"

This Video's description translates into "Minus Centroid", a Centroid being the central point in geometry where the straight lines meet in "X". Now keep in mind I sucked at math as a student, but if I remember right another way to say it, is that the centroid is akin to a linch pin of sorts. Without the centroid, you won't find X (the answer).

This is also where we see the phrase "DO I HELP OR DO I KILL?"

I believe ToTheArk is now debating whether he should help a character, or murder him. I would suspect Alex, but i'm not certain. If it IS Alex, then he may be suggesting by removing Alex from the picture violently, no one will ever have the answer.
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So now that we've reviewed all the material you can see where I am going with this, I hope.

ToTheArk is no one individual, because the individual who wants these messages sent has to use others to send the messages for him. ToTheArk is the Operator, or rather, it is a culmination of the messages the Operator wants sent that he cannot relate himself, so he uses other people to send them for him.

I suspect the first person to be used like this was Brian, judging by him being the focal point of "Advocate". But eventually, he moved onto using others.

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Thought about quoting the previous post in my comment, but I'm just not that cruel.

Um... Whoa, dude. Welcome to the forums!

Is it possible we can get that put into the wiki? I don't have the time to read it at the moment, and I'd hate to have to keep finding it again...

I'd save it to my computer, but I'm not sure I have enough hard drive space. Razz

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Welcome to the forums, you've given me a seizure.

No but seriously, although I disagree with you, good work. It's nice to see people actually provide a good reason for their theories.
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oh god thats a long post and I don't have that much time right now to read it... will do so later after work. as for you TLDR, im very skeptical about slendy being TTA

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^that's perfectly rational of you. we also would have accepted "No.....just no."

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Ceejie wrote:
Ceejie's epic post

Edit: took 2 hours for this post!
My Rebuttal to your claims:

Regards- This sounds reasonable, however since this was posted as a reply to the Marble Hornets page, this refers to Jay as the Ark.

operator- nothing to note. good explanation of entry.

Deluge - I am not sure where you are getting "you are watching me" from. If this IS the case, then so far the possible candidates are slendy, Alex, Tim, and to a lesser extent, the MH cast.

entry 23- This is where I STRONGLY disagree with you and question your logic. How is the camerawoman stand off by slendy? She is following Alex while he is talking about where the scene is taking place, and even explicitly says "follow us as we (blah blah)" and camerawoman says alright. Alex then says "and that's as far as we go." The camera turns back and we see slendy standing around. Alex says stuff about hopefully he's not on the set and will tell him to move. The camerawomen asks "whats he doing?" I think this is where you say she is putoff by slendy? But really, it seems she is confused as to who Alex is talking to, almost as if she cant see slendy

Impurity- Nothing to note here

entry 13 - you say Alex met slendy twice, but I only saw once at the end?

Exit - Some more disagreements here. First, in entry 13, Alex says to get something from the passenger seat. So why is Jay getting something from the trunk? Also, "where is the ark" is shown on youtube. Why would TTA be asking "where are you?" Considering we see Jay looking for something then it is more logical to consider the ark as an item moreso than a person. Let's say TTA islooking for someboady as the ark. This would then mean Jay could not be the ark, otherwise TTA would mention he found, not asking where. If slendy took control of Alex and used his to record, then Alex cannot be the ark either. This leaves us with Tim being the next important character, or, to a much lesser extent, someone from the MH crew. Another way of thinking of this is that TTA has similar videos as Jay This happened 3 years ago, which means that TTA either got this from stalking 3 years ago, or he stole.took tapes from Alex as well.

Entry 14 This fricken entry is the reason I quit MH so long ago and took over a year to come back and catch up. I refuse to watch it again. Yes, I am that much of a coward.

Program - Nothing to note here

Entry 15 - Nothing to note here

Advocate - Nothing to note here

Entry 16 - The "bed closet" is different from the "BONE Closet." Your post makes it sound like they're the same.

Addition- I Agree completely with what you said

Signal Nothing to note here

Entry 18 -Before I go into my rant, your details do not suggest that Tim is not TTA, but rather proves he's still a candidate.

You have a lot of assumptions and it seems you're stating them as facts, such as Tim being stalked, Alex is the cause of it all, and that all the haunting ended when Alex left town. Now, all of these are strongly possible , but not proven. We only see Alex's side of what was happening, which makes all of these assumptions seem true. However, Why would Alex leaving cause slendy to go away if Tim and others were still around? If Slendy was stalking all of MH cast even if they were not around Alex, why would he stop when Alex leaves? We have footage of Seth collapsing at the feet of slendy while Alex escapes, Brian's house is a complete mess with Tim hiding within and no sign of Brian, and sh*t's still crazy even after Alex left for 3 years.

So, if Alex leaves and slendy leaves, then why is Tim afraid of Jay watching what happened? This makes me believe that Tim is still being haunted. He is worried that Jay will be sucked into all of this as well, and disguises himself to scare Jay away.

messages I like your reasoning with this and I agree that Tim must have some of his own secrets, but there is one problem I have with it...Why is TTA addressing Tim and why does he think he will see this? As far as we know, Tim does not follow MH on youtube, and I feel this will sort of be "breaking the 4th wall." Unless TTA specifically knows that Tim was following Jay on youtube, how could TTA know Tim would get the message? Rather, it seems more fitting that someone knew about the uploads, and was stalking Jay for some time. I feel this message would not reach Tim, which makes Jay the only possible candidate left. And, in entry 19, Jay admits he's become paranoid as well.

entry 19 - Again, something I don't agree with. If Tim shut down Jay's camera and set up his own, how did Jay get the footage? entry 19 is all in one night on one tape . Why would Tim setup his camera, take out Jay's tape, record some creepy sh*t, then replace the tape back into Jays camera?

Return - That is one interpretation. However, another could mean that TTA has found Jay forever, in the sense that they will protect him and never leave him out of their sight now that he is being stalked. Therefore, TTA found Jay aside from slendy.

version Nothing to note here

Attention - I can see this being adressed to Alex, but it's so short and vague it'd be trivial to argue over this.

Admission - I completely agree, and we see this in entry 23. Jay chases Tim around through doors that were locked and winds up in the basement of DOOM where slendy awaits.

warning - Your assumption that the operator captured Tim in not grounded, and there is no reason to assume he did so anyways. I see this entry as TTA mocking Jay. First we see the same opening line we get from Jay in the introduction video, followed by a slendy haunting in the next couple entries, Jay's interview with Tim, more slendy haunting, then Masky attacking jay. The short scenes somewhat make a chronological order of what we've seen so far from Jay. TTA is mocking what all Jay has done so far. The title refers to warning Jay that he is in a vicious cycle perhaps? Or that another slendy haunting will occur soon?

Entry ##### - Tim is putting on his mask, not jacket. It's also probable that TTA hacked Jay's account in hopes to fear him. TTA and Tim have both use fear to push Jay in the direction they want him to go.

Fragments - I agree with most of this note that you say that TTA wants to hurt Alex. What do we see Tim do to Alex?

Broadcast - Nothing to note here

Sidetone - nothing to note here

enttry 37 -nothing to note here

Forecast - nothing to note here

intermission so, are you saying that the operator saw the masks but the masks did not see slendy? It makes much more sense that the masks say Jaw walking around in the forest, who was too busy to see them.

indicator - nothing to note here

memories - I think this video is actually referring to Jay. Alex found a way to get away from Slendy for 3 years until someone planted a camera in Amy's house, thus bringing slendy back into his life. Jay, on the other hand, has spent 2 years running around without knowing a damn thing thats going on. Jay has not progressed in his searches, nor has he found a solution to slendy, or what/who the ark is. He has wasted his time, as well as his memories.

inquiry - A centroid is the geometric center, and do not necessarily form an X shape. Minus would be properly assigned to the symbol "-" more so than "X." I think the purpose of this entry is to say that these people are "off their rocker." These people are not center, not themselves, so who are they?

You have proven nothing, imo. There is no evidence in any of the TTA videos for TTA to be the operator. It is much more likely that TTA is a collection of Tim and other MH casts. The strongest lead you have is the EXIT video. Only there could I see the operator guiding Alex to tape Jay Most of this information could have just been seen from the wiki, and the incorrect factors could have been adjusted from the wiki as well.

Edit: the above paragraph may seem strong because I was pissed that I spent 2 hours waiting to see your point, but you didn't actually provide reasons for the operator as TTA, could you possibly post a summary as to why you think the operator is TTA, and what entries give the strongest evidence for this? I felt like i was reading the MH wiki with only slight commentary and incorrect facts.

I will give you Kudos though for making a thorough introductory post.

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I'mma kinda cut up my response post to Riovas so we are both on the same page as to what I am replying to exactly.

I wanna start by saying i'm sorry it took you 2 hours to read the post/debunk it/whatever, but I *did* give a TLDR for a reason. So you could once over my idea, and go "That's stupid" and move on if the reader so chose. I wouldn't have continued to post the same line of logic like *some people* on here if no one wanted to debate or talk about it or whatever, I just would have went back to quietly lurking. The only reason I felt like my theory needed every last minor detail explained, is if I just came in and posted it with no explanation, there would have been no real dialogue at all on the subject, which seems kinda silly on a discussion forum to me.

Anything I didn't reply to I didn't think was that open for counterargument. I'm not ignoring you, I just don't see a point in posting "Yeah you're not wrong, but it could be interpreted my way too!" over and over. So assume if I didn't respond I am conceding that I may be 'assuming too much' at this point and only pointed it out originally to show you were my logic was leading.

Riovas wrote:

My Rebuttal to your claims:

Regards- This sounds reasonable, however since this was posted as a reply to the Marble Hornets page, this refers to Jay as the Ark.


I agree fully. I believe Jay is the Ark in question.
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entry 23- This is where I STRONGLY disagree with you and question your logic. How is the camerawoman stand off by slendy? She is following Alex while he is talking about where the scene is taking place, and even explicitly says "follow us as we (blah blah)" and camerawoman says alright. Alex then says "and that's as far as we go." The camera turns back and we see slendy standing around. Alex says stuff about hopefully he's not on the set and will tell him to move. The camerawomen asks "whats he doing?" I think this is where you say she is putoff by slendy? But really, it seems she is confused as to who Alex is talking to, almost as if she cant see slendy


I'm gonna assume you mean entry 12 here.

In Entry 12, this is what I see. I see a blotch off in the distance where she is originally pointing the camera that looks to be a spot of flesh colour and white amidst the bushes. Alex says "Oh, he'll move."

The Camerawoman turns away. The Camerawoman eventually turns back *before* Alex goes "Oh, here's Tim" and seemingly whilst Alex is looking at *her* and not in the direction of the Operator, so it seems to me the Camerawoman saw The Operator too because she reacted before even Alex did to the person they thought was Tim. When she asks "What's he doing?" I never thought she meant Alex. It always seemed to me like she saw the Operator and thought some creepy dude was just hanging around their set, standing around like a weirdo and staring at them.


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entry 13 - you say Alex met slendy twice, but I only saw once at the end?


His first sighting is when we can see him beyond the fence. We know Alex sees him because he begins running in his direction. The second is at the building. I suppose i should have been more clear on my wording. He sees him once, and then encounters him, so he *saw* him twice.
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Exit - Some more disagreements here. First, in entry 13, Alex says to get something from the passenger seat. So why is Jay getting something from the trunk? Also, "where is the ark" is shown on youtube. Why would TTA be asking "where are you?" Considering we see Jay looking for something then it is more logical to consider the ark as an item moreso than a person. Let's say TTA islooking for someboady as the ark. This would then mean Jay could not be the ark, otherwise TTA would mention he found, not asking where. If slendy took control of Alex and used his to record, then Alex cannot be the ark either. This leaves us with Tim being the next important character, or, to a much lesser extent, someone from the MH crew. Another way of thinking of this is that TTA has similar videos as Jay This happened 3 years ago, which means that TTA either got this from stalking 3 years ago, or he stole.took tapes from Alex as well.


Because Alex states in entry 13 that if it isn't in the front seat, Jay'll find it in the trunk. I'm not sure why where Jay is routing around is integral to your counterargument, but I thought I would point that out anyways, since you felt it was noteworthy.

If we assume TTA is any of the MH crew under slendersickness/Operator control at any given time, TTA has posted this video to show two things.

1: Alex (or someone on the crew at least) was not doing what they were supposed to be doing, they were filming Jay getting things out of the car. Assuming this is Alex, he may be experiencing Slendersickness at that very moment (Since in 13 he encountered the Operator!) and is just taping Jay because doing weird shit is what Slendersick people do.

2. There are two possibilities to what "Where is the Ark" may mean.

If we assume the Ark is Jay, this may have been posted to say " Where are you Jay?", as it shows nothing but Jay through the entire thing.

Here's the other possibility. Keep in mind, one of the things I didn't delve too deeply into in my last post (mainly because look at that shit, just look at it. IT'S HUGE AND NEEDED NO MORE) was that while I do believe Jay is the Ark right now, I also believe that there is a strong possibility he not was *always* the Ark. If this is were the case, at the time of Entry 13 Alex was the Ark. Keep in mind, an Ark is just a fancy name for a container. Alex, having the most contact with the Operator up unto this point, could have been the Ark of the Operator, or the physical vessel the Operator had attached himself to. And the Operator is the Operator. If he can attach himself to one person, I'm sure he could just as easily get his tentacles into another one.

In which case, asking "Where is the Ark?" could be asking:

"Where was Alex all this time Jay?


Oh look he was filming you jerking around in the trunk for some reason."

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Entry 16 - The "bed closet" is different from the "BONE Closet." Your post makes it sound like they're the same.


You are right on this. My eyes always read it as him reopening the same door, even when I watched it yesterday, but he moves slightly up the hallway into a different closet/crawlspace/cabinet/something. MAH BAG.

Not sure if this debunks my theory really, but you are right that my eyes are playing tricks on me.
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Entry 18 -Before I go into my rant, your details do not suggest that Tim is not TTA, but rather proves he's still a candidate.

You have a lot of assumptions and it seems you're stating them as facts, such as Tim being stalked, Alex is the cause of it all, and that all the haunting ended when Alex left town. Now, all of these are strongly possible , but not proven. We only see Alex's side of what was happening, which makes all of these assumptions seem true. However, Why would Alex leaving cause slendy to go away if Tim and others were still around? If Slendy was stalking all of MH cast even if they were not around Alex, why would he stop when Alex leaves? We have footage of Seth collapsing at the feet of slendy while Alex escapes, Brian's house is a complete mess with Tim hiding within and no sign of Brian, and sh*t's still crazy even after Alex left for 3 years.

So, if Alex leaves and slendy leaves, then why is Tim afraid of Jay watching what happened? This makes me believe that Tim is still being haunted. He is worried that Jay will be sucked into all of this as well, and disguises himself to scare Jay away.


In my theory, I believe Alex was the original Ark of the Operator, not Jay. As I mentioned before, an Ark is just a keen, old school word meaning 'the vessel'. If Alex is the Ark, then that means Alex is the avatar for the Operator, of sorts, and the only way he can manifest himself is through Alex in some way. Maybe not with Alex's body, but he could need to harness something in Alex's mind in order to become physical to others/project his image to others.

If you follow the logic that Tim must be watching these videos, then we can easily assume that Tim sees what we see, and in most of the videos, we see Alex actively provoking the Operator. This could easily be interpreted by someone who doesn't even like Alex to begin with as Alex starting this mess. Jay following in Alex's footsteps of poking the thing antagonistically is something Tim is going to want to stop. However, he probably doesn't have the same level of animosity towards Jay that he has for Alex, because even in the old footage Jay doesn't seem to particularly annoy him. I think Jay "accidentally stumbling into the Operator" is something that Tim could sympathize with since it's probably exactly what happened to him and all of the other MH film crew, but "Alex awakening the Operator by clomping around in his forest for his student film" is probably a little bit harder for Tim to forgive.

As far as why Brian's house is a mess or where Brian is, thanks for addressing this because it's another thing I think about this theory that I didn't bring up before for length reasons.

I believe Brian's house is where the Operator has been laying low all this time in hiding. Brian could have even been alive at some point during the early videos. For all we know, Brian still is.

In my theory I believe Brian is the first of the MH crew to be TTA or rather, the first to be the messenger of the Operator. This is why his face is on the "Advocate" video. TTA is trying to tell Jay that Brian is currently his Mediator.

It is possible Brian is even the soul he latched onto after Alex, but for some reason Brian isn't near as good 'an ark' as Alex was. Maybe there is something special about Alex specifically. For example, perhaps Alex is one of the few who can project the Operator into the physical realm, but Brian just can't. Therefore, Brian can be latched onto by the Operator, but his mind is so very weak that the Operator is stuck in standby, until someone strong enough to house him comes along.

Someone like Jay?

Brian's house is a mess because Brian has been living there, though living in a very loose sense of the word. He has been existing there for the last several years in a land of limbo with the Operator. Remember, the Operator can control time, so if he has been hiding out at Brian's, it's likely that he is capable of making sure no one else around picks up on the fact that no one seems to be doing anything over there, such as mowing the lawn.

Tim was hiding at Brian's house, but we're not sure for how long. For all we know, he hadn't been at the house all that long before Jay arrived that night, and had otherwise been avoiding the horrid place for the last several years. Just because we first see him there doesn't mean he lives there. He did live with Brian at one point, but he has not seen Brian in some time. Which means he is probably actively avoiding him. I can't imagine what other reason he would be hanging around a house he knows is Slender possessed unless he was trying to actively keep someone out, especially now that we know he avoids from the Operator.

As to your last question: Tim is afraid of Jay finding the Operator, because Tim has been through all this before. He knows the score. The Operator is looking for a new someone to latch onto, a new ark, and he has taken an inordinate interest in Jay. Tim doesn't want that, because if the Ark IS a human body for the Operator to latch onto, and the Operator is so very interested in Jay, then that means Jay is just as good a candidate as Alex was.


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messages I like your reasoning with this and I agree that Tim must have some of his own secrets, but there is one problem I have with it...Why is TTA addressing Tim and why does he think he will see this? As far as we know, Tim does not follow MH on youtube, and I feel this will sort of be "breaking the 4th wall." Unless TTA specifically knows that Tim was following Jay on youtube, how could TTA know Tim would get the message? Rather, it seems more fitting that someone knew about the uploads, and was stalking Jay for some time. I feel this message would not reach Tim, which makes Jay the only possible candidate left. And, in entry 19, Jay admits he's become paranoid as well.



I really don't feel like I am making all that many assumptions here or that it's breaking the fourth wall. Even if TTA *was* Tim, TTA was watching Jay's Videos.

If we are assuming TTA is Tim, then TTATim found Jay's videos. Why would NotTTATim be any less likely to watch/find the videos Jay has been posting *after* Jay starts questioning him in entry 15? Tim seems to be pretty on the ball here in 15. He knows what Jay has seen because Jay is *terrible* at lying or covering his own tracks (I am making a documentary about hotels), and now all he has to do is go to the internet, type in "Marble Hornets" and here's a nice long video blog of what Jay's been up to for the last several months. I mean really, let's think about this. How would you think a TTATim would find it? He was watching cute cat videos and stumbled upon it? Or was just feverishly looking for the Operator on YouTube? Either way, the guy didn't find it by magic. TTATim or NotTTATim would have had to have watched the videos.


If TTATim, then he has to see them in order to invite Jay over to Brian's house.

If NotTTATim, he has to see them to know Jay is going over there, unless you honestly think the Operator would lure Jay over there then tell Tim "Hey Tim come on over we're having a party!". I guess I don't see why the Operator would want Tim anywhere near Jay because Tim could mess up his plans bigtime.

As far as I see it, either way, Tim is watching the videos!

As to how TTA knows Tim is watching these videos, it's because, in my theory, if Tim is not TTA, then Tim being in Brian's house proves he must be. How else would he know where Jay was going to be? And do you think just because he wears a mask that TTA doesn't know who is behind it?

Even if you don't buy into the Operator being TTA, if Tim isn't either, then TTA *has* to at least be someone closely associated with this fiasco, and would know, even though Jay didn't at this time, that Tim was the one in the house. At the house when TTA told Jay to come to the house.

Therefore, TTA must know Tim is watching, and addresses Tim directly.


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entry 19 - Again, something I don't agree with. If Tim shut down Jay's camera and set up his own, how did Jay get the footage? entry 19 is all in one night on one tape . Why would Tim setup his camera, take out Jay's tape, record some creepy sh*t, then replace the tape back into Jays camera?


Tim's tape could have been left behind intentionally and it didn't occur to Jay that these clips were from another video. Jay was not recording to a tape, Jay was recording to a hard drive. He states this in a video. Why would Jay himself set up two separate camcorders, one to Video, and one to hard drive that were both facing in the same direction?

I believe this was intended as a way of helping Jay in two fold. I believe Tim knew that video distortion would not happen on a digital camera, and if the Operator visited while he was there watching over Jay, the tape would distort while the digital imagery wouldn't.

I believe he also placed his information onto Jay's hard drive so that Jay could later view his findings himself, as well as show Jay that he means him no ill will. If he did, he would have just smashed his face in with a rock, not danced an interpretive jig across his furniture.

You can see Tim outside once the video becomes clear again. I think Tim knew the Operator was coming (and may have even been the one who took the footage of return) and went to hide, leaving Jay to fend for himself.

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Entry ##### - Tim is putting on his mask, not jacket. It's also probable that TTA hacked Jay's account in hopes to fear him. TTA and Tim have both use fear to push Jay in the direction they want him to go.


I have no idea why I said Jacket, but the point was he is doing so in a way with great deliberation, as if he has purpose. There is no point in showing this outside of ' I am donning my Armor. I coming for you'.


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Fragments - I agree with most of this note that you say that TTA wants to hurt Alex. What do we see Tim do to Alex?


Just because one person wants to hurt Alex doesn't negate that a completely different one might want to as well. No matter how you want to look at it, Alex DID abandon EVERYONE to this situation. He's not exactly making friends and influencing people.

Actually he's being kind of a dick.

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inquiry - A centroid is the geometric center, and do not necessarily form an X shape. Minus would be properly assigned to the symbol "-" more so than "X." I think the purpose of this entry is to say that these people are "off their rocker." These people are not center, not themselves, so who are they?


I was not referring to the shape X, but the variable X. As in "Solve to find X". Once again I could still be wrong because I was horrible at math, but I thought I would clear that up for you. My intended statement is that the centroid is the central point, which you say is correct. I believe TTA is saying that he could solve this problem, but without a centroid, no one is ever going to "Solve for X", or "Get an Answer". If I am right about how this works (X being the variable/answer in a geometry equation) then "Do I Help, or Do I Kill?" could be translated as " Should I remove the centroid from the equation?" or "Should I help you find the answer, or shall I go for the quick solution of getting rid of the problem but giving you no solid answers."

It could also be more sinister. TTA could be implying he could kill the centroid to the equation, but that the only thing that would do is serve to send everything else off balance. And I think we can both agree that Alex is the center of all of this.

If such were the case, I am unsure how Tim or anyone else other than the Operator would be aware of that information. And if they were, why Tim would try to smash his head in with a rock. If killing Alex means setting everything askew, you'd think painting the woodland floor with his brains would be the last thing he'd want to do.

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