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Harbie
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The bags were probably separate incidents, both caused by Slendy. In the original slendy image thread, it was Slendy's modus operandi to suspend corpses (Or parts of them, maybe even specific organs? Can't remember exactly. I think he might have harvested the organs and then suspended the organs in plastic bags from trees.) I think the theory going around was that the organs in the bags in "Joke's Over" were Jessa's.

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TheWhiteRabbit wrote:
quixotic wrote:
tijde wrote:
Ok, so the general assumption is that we were seeing a fully inHABITed Evan lick the deer blood at the end of the Fourth of July clip, yeah? I definitely agree there. But whenever we've seen Evan acting inHABITed around the guys elsewhere, he's the only one affected.* So why did Jeff and Vin go nuts on the deer too, rather than stopping Evan or something? Unless I missed something big (totally possible, BTW), that's way out of character for them. To me, they seem to be as shocked at their own involvement as they are at Evan's. More of a "What did we just do?!" reaction than a "WTF just happened?!" one. 

So here's my question: Is it possible the two of them were briefly inHABITed too? If not, why did they jump into the Bambi feeding frenzy? And if they were inHABITed, or at least affected by Evan's obviously strong inHABITation at the time, well, wouldn't that skew the interpretation of the Sigma blood test results?           


Personally, I keep thinking Slendy's presence triggered something in them that made them go batty. That and back to the kids being such innocent little angels and the ways Slendy is supposedly attracted to killers. Maybe if it's Slender's presence that makes HABIT more apt to come out to play, it's starting to mess with the others and their own personal demons as well. Then again, wasn't there a "WE ARE UNBREAKABLE" or something at one point? I suppose he (HABBY) could have been possessing all of them...

This all reminds me, I know May & June was talked about to death, but I can't recall reading if anyone brought this up.

After Jeff mentions that what they killed wasn't what they were looking for, and how they knew damn well it wasn't, does anyone else hear what Vince mumbles as "It was close enough?" Because that bothers me. Especially since if that IS what I'm hearing, he almost instantly switches gears to denial two seconds later. I also feel like his "it was like I was watching it" (again, if I'm hearing that right), does sound similar to the way HABIT victims, ie: Nick, describe their experience. Where they're aware but not totally in control of their actions.


ive thought for awhile that vince himself might of been the inHABIT'ed, and that the reason they found vinnies cellphone that time while looking for the rake was because HE was the one in the closet. i thought this because that voice and the voice the rake used when it attacked them were serverely different, and what worries me the most is that we still have no idea what vinnies supposibly doing behind the scenes. half the time everythings centered around jeff or evan.


Doubt it. There are just too many inconsistencies for this to work out.

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Pardon the long post; sectioned it for readability. Smile  

HABIT and Sigma Radiation
TheWhiteRabbit wrote:
i remember evan saying "you shouldnt of tried to pull me off", maybe they only went crazy and joined in AFTER grabbing hold of evan? maybe after being exposed to the sigma radiation his blood gives off, which may be more potent while inHABITed.


Good point; I'd forgotten that line. So maybe it was more of a secondhand influence that brought out their own aggression. Why now, though? Is it that, as Vince & Jeff get more aggressive like Evan, they're opening themselves up to be more easily influenced by the radiation, or is the radiation just stronger, so it's making them more aggressive?

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Personally, I keep thinking Slendy's presence triggered something in them that made them go batty. That and back to the kids being such innocent little angels and the ways Slendy is supposedly attracted to killers.
 
Would you mind explaining what you're referring to in that second sentence, please? I'm not quite following.  

As for the first... I agree, it definitely could be Slendy. We just don't know. I wanted to point out the HABIT possibility though, because so many people were saying if Jeff's and Vinnie's blood tests positive for radiation, we'd know the radiation wasn't from HABIT. Personally, I don't buy that. In fact, I think there are too many possible causes and unknown variables for Jeff & Vince's results to tell us much right now; all we can really exclude is the Rake. We need more pieces of the puzzle first.         

Vinnie spec and questions
Re: Harbie and quixotic - Yeah, I've got a few pet theories about Vinnie myself. In some ways, he's the most compelling and mysterious character for me. I couldn't make it out, but if you're right about the "Close enough" comment, quixotic, that's both incredibly creepy and also might reinforce the idea that Vince has more tolerance to the monsters' influence. He's affected enough to take part but is able to dissociate and "watch" the event as it happens (Voyeur, anyone?), unlike Jeff and Evan, who only realize what they did when they come to their senses after the fact-- Jeff more quickly than Evan, obviously.

Anyway, I was stuck in bed today so I spent a good bit of time reading about Vin and shaking some trees. My theories seem to hinge on a few things I'm still unclear about.
- Is the general suspicion toward Vince based mostly on Everyman notes about the Voyeur and his phone in Alex's closet, or are there other bases I'm missing there? 
- Did Fairmount!Vince know Fairmount!Evan before they both wound up under Corenthal's care? 
- It's far-fetched, but is there evidence EMH!Vince could be in contact with Corenthal now? I'm wondering if that's his secret.

Fourth of July noise
Finally, to conclude this wall o' convoluted spec, an unrelated note about the Fourth of July vid. I assumed the noise the guys were hearing that triggered Armed Investigation Mode was the siren noise from 77of76 (the "stuck in a Baldplate loop" video). From the wiki:
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Just minutes before this video posted the boys mentioned in the 1/20/2011 Ustream that they hear sirens when Slenderman is near

As for why we heard it in 77of76 but not this one, well, Jeff was running the camera then, while Alex was filming the Fouth of July events. Obviously Alex couldn't hear the siren noise this time. I rewatched 77of76 and noticed we never actually get confirmation that Alex could hear it then, either. He doesn't react to the noise itself or to Jeff's comment about it. I do think he heard Jeff's comment, but since that scene seems to be a clip from a longer tape of repeating events, it's possible that they'd already had the "What siren? What are you talking about?" discussion-- maybe even several times. If there's a paranormal connection between cameras, minds, and what shows up for whom on film, it could explain the siren's absence on the Fourth tape.

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tijde wrote:
Vinnie spec and questions
Re: Harbie and quixotic - Yeah, I've got a few pet theories about Vinnie myself. In some ways, he's the most compelling and mysterious character for me. I couldn't make it out, but if you're right about the "Close enough" comment, quixotic, that's both incredibly creepy and also might reinforce the idea that Vince has more tolerance to the monsters' influence. He's affected enough to take part but is able to dissociate and "watch" the event as it happens (Voyeur, anyone?), unlike Jeff and Evan, who only realize what they did when they come to their senses after the fact-- Jeff more quickly than Evan, obviously.

Anyway, I was stuck in bed today so I spent a good bit of time reading about Vin and shaking some trees. My theories seem to hinge on a few things I'm still unclear about.
- Is the general suspicion toward Vince based mostly on Everyman notes about the Voyeur and his phone in Alex's closet, or are there other bases I'm missing there? 
- Did Fairmount!Vince know Fairmount!Evan before they both wound up under Corenthal's care? 
- It's far-fetched, but is there evidence EMH!Vince could be in contact with Corenthal now? I'm wondering if that's his secret.


Your Vince speculation is all I can really comment on right now. I love your thoughts!

- Yes, it's mostly based on the content of Box 5. The rest is fueled by our general suspicion of everyone.
- Fairmount!Vince talked about a "Captain Habit" (interestingly enough, he's the only one to refer to Fairmount!Evan by his nickname, everyone else just calls him "Evan") in his interview with Doctor Corenthal.
- We don't have any evidence as to what Vinnie's secret is. That's an interesting idea, though.

Vince's ability to dissociate himself from events could be an asset, I think. If he can be aware of HABIT's control, than there's the possibility that he can break it, even if just for himself.
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Thanks Luipaard. Smile I'm only about a month into EMH, so I was worried I was way off.

The "Captain Habit" thing actually prompted my question. Basically, I'm wondering if "Captain Habit" was actually Fairmount!Evan or someone(/thing?) else. If FM!Evan's nickname "Habit" is just a random pet name, then he would be the Captain Habit FM!Vin mentions. But if FM!Evan's mom got the nickname from someone specific-- and here, I'm thinking about the Nick blog entry on CYSTW, where HABIT says he raped Nick's mom-- then Vic's Captain Habit may not be Evan. It might be the original HABIT entity, aka what we know as HABIT now, in a different form. When I read that CYSTW post, I immediately wondered if EMH!Evan is the product of another rape experiment. That would make EMH!Evan Nick's "equal"-- and also a type of hybrid. The problem with that is that the "experiments" are more recent.* If EMH!Evan is a HABIT-human hybrid, FM!Evan may not have been, which means his mom wouldn't have had another association with the name "Habit" to use as a source for FM!Evan's nickname. If we have another confirmation that FM!Evan and FM!Vinnie knew each other, the simplest explaination is that "Captain Habit" is indeed FM!Evan.

*But then again, the fluid quality of IG time and the Candle Cove archetypes throw a whole other wrench in that idea

Hey, I admitted I was shakin' trees all day. Smile

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quixotic
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tijde wrote:
quixotic wrote:
Personally, I keep thinking Slendy's presence triggered something in them that made them go batty. That and back to the kids being such innocent little angels and the ways Slendy is supposedly attracted to killers.
 
Would you mind explaining what you're referring to in that second sentence, please? I'm not quite following.  


Sorry about that, should've clarified. I believe there's something in the original mythos about Slenderman being attracted to 'would-be killers' or something along those lines. I'm just thinking about how the MT4 weren't exactly... well, even if they were victims, they didn't exactly sound like the 'little angels' Corenthal made them out to be. I guess my thought process is that maybe if Slenders has some sort of stock in them, it's possible he's bringing out a darker side of their personalities that was suppressed back in the day. It always just struck me as odd that he was just chillin' out and they didn't really seem to acknowledge his presence at all, even when Alex mentioned seeing him...

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Vinnie spec and questions
- Is the general suspicion toward Vince based mostly on Everyman notes about the Voyeur and his phone in Alex's closet, or are there other bases I'm missing there? 
- Did Fairmount!Vince know Fairmount!Evan before they both wound up under Corenthal's care? 
- It's far-fetched, but is there evidence EMH!Vince could be in contact with Corenthal now? I'm wondering if that's his secret.


I think Vince is one of those characters who just sort of... fades into the background? Bad choice of wording, but he sticks to the sidelines. It's easy to get caught up in Jeff and Evan's drama and forget he's there, and that alone makes me a little more than suspicious of his actions just because I don't know what he's doing. Even if I want to trust the guy the most of the bunch.

That said, on your first question - I believe most of the suspicion there comes from the idea that his phone being in Alex's closet may be due to him being the one who placed the security cameras.

2 - That's actually a good question. If not, they certainly seemed to make friends quick enough (then again, like you said in your last post it's possible Captain Habit isn't Evan. Personally, I hope it was, and he was just wearing a really kickass pirate hat). If anything, I've always kind of wondered how close the two of them were to Fairmount!Jeffrey.

3- If that is his secret, I'm tugging on his beard SO HARD FOR THAT.

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Finally, to conclude this wall o' convoluted spec, an unrelated note about the Fourth of July vid. I assumed the noise the guys were hearing that triggered Armed Investigation Mode was the siren noise from 77of76 (the "stuck in a Baldplate loop" video).


For some reason I kept thinking they were hearing Rake and that's what they assumed the deer was, but I like the siren theory so much better. And the bit (that I was too stupid to leave in the quote) about not getting it on camera because Alex was operating it is an interesting theory...

Oh god, this was a wall of text. Sorry, folks.

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I'm working on a reply, quixotic, but first, a question for whomever: Is there any type of index for the EMH threads, like the one over at the MH board? Thinking about maybe throwing one together, with page numbers for each "new vid! [link]" post. I understand why EMH doesn't have its own board, but an index would make it easier for noobs like me to navigate the monster threads when looking for info on a particular video.

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tijde wrote:
I'm working on a reply, quixotic, but first, a question for whomever: Is there any type of index for the EMH threads, like the one over at the MH board? Thinking about maybe throwing one together, with page numbers for each "new vid! [link]" post. I understand why EMH doesn't have its own board, but an index would make it easier for noobs like me to navigate the monster threads when looking for info on a particular video.


We've never really needed an index. All the important speculation and information is stored at the wiki.

There's nothing much to be gained from the original thread tbh.
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Wait. Why does Steph think that the Slender Man "can't touch her" when she's in the psych ward?

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slendercat wrote:
Wait. Why does Steph think that the Slender Man "can't touch her" when she's in the psych ward?


We don't know.
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tijde wrote:
I'm working on a reply, quixotic, but first, a question for whomever: Is there any type of index for the EMH threads, like the one over at the MH board? Thinking about maybe throwing one together, with page numbers for each "new vid! [link]" post. I understand why EMH doesn't have its own board, but an index would make it easier for noobs like me to navigate the monster threads when looking for info on a particular video.


Yeah, stick the wiki tijde. The threads here mostly amount to Wild Mass Guessing. We do get some constructive work done occasionally but it goes to the wiki as soon as it bears fruit.

http://everymanhybrid.wikia.com/wiki/EverymanHYBRID_Wiki

Plus because everything is in one thread here we tend to move back and forth in time quite a bit. Note that we've been discussing dangling plots from Video 5 (!) in the past few pages.

To the wiki!

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Oh nonsense. There's a lot of valuable insight gained from reading the thread comments shortly after new videos come out. There is an EMH update thread, tijde, and whenever I post in it I try to add a link to the start of the discussion in the thread, but I guess this is too much work for everyone else.

I would support it if you made an index, but it would probably take a while.

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Nobody said "stop reading this thread all together because there's nothing worthwhile in it." I was referencing the 2010 thread with my comment, since that's the "monster thread." We're also assuming that tijde is more than intelligent enough to find the update thread on her own.
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slendercat wrote:
Wait. Why does Steph think that the Slender Man "can't touch her" when she's in the psych ward?


Maybe just because there's so many people around? I'm trying to think of times we've seen Slendy in legitimately populated places and coming up blank.

Or (insert insane theory here about medication blocking out the Slenderman because of radiation assuming she has it and assuming some kind of medication could prevent it).

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Yeah, I found the update thread, which helps. I was referring to both this one and the 2010 thread as "monster threads"; 460+ pages is still rather long. Smile
The wiki is great for finding things that have been confirmed or reading spec summaries, but it doesn't always cover the whys behind the spec. I've found myself doing a lot of searching here even though I first watched the series through the wiki, reading along as I went. For example, for .-, the wiki says:
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[Vince(?) is underwater, possibly drowning and/or getting pulled down.]
Finding that video in the thread exposed me to the possibility of the drowning figure being Evan (that's what I thought when I watched it), and the debate between the two. Reading stuff like that helps me put together or reconsider my own ideas. Searching works, but an index would be faster. 

Anyway I've already started a list for myself. If it would be useful to others, I can make it available somehow. If not, that's fine too. Thought I'd throw the idea out there, since it's something I could contribute. Smile     

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