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SpaceBass
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Randoman96 wrote:
You know, I see you come here a lot to tell people what to do or what the rules are or any of that, but I've never really seen you do a whole hell of a lot.

That's true. I guess I'm too busy keeping this place running while working my day job to pay for it, and attempting to have a sad little bit of a life offline.

Hey, maybe we could institute a bribery program where people who gave a fuck could, you know, donate or something to help pay for this place so most of it didn't come out of my pocket, and then I could have a little incentive to give a shit what they thought. Probably wouldn't work though, since I'm not planning on compromising the principles I founded this board upon lo these 9 years past.

Too harsh? Sad
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awakeasaurusrex
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SpaceBass wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
I've given up hoping for improvement of any sort on this issue, the admins are so hopelessly unwilling to tread on anyone's toes that it's just going to keep happening.


And I've given up on trying to explain to you why we do things the way we do.

And I've noticed that you only come into the MH forum to explain why you refuse to enforce the rules in the MH forum.

SpaceBass wrote:
Hey, maybe we could institute a bribery program where people who gave a fuck could, you know, donate or something to help pay for this place so most of it didn't come out of my pocket, and then I could have a little incentive to give a shit what they thought. Probably wouldn't work though, since I'm not planning on compromising the principles I founded this board upon lo these 9 years past.

Too harsh? Sad

Even better: maybe someone who gave a fuck could, you know, run the site.

You know, as opposed to someone who didn't give a fuck.

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ZargggModerator
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SpaceBass wrote:
Hey, maybe we could institute a bribery program where people who gave a fuck could, you know, donate or something to help pay for this place so most of it didn't come out of my pocket, and then I could have a little incentive to give a shit what they thought. Probably wouldn't work though, since I'm not planning on compromising the principles I founded this board upon lo these 9 years past.

Too harsh? Sad

Yes. Speaking as a fellow webmaster/forum admin, that was too harsh. Your responsibility to your users goes beyond how much they can pay you.

I can appreciate the basis for your principles, in that even the most unpopular viewpoints and individuals can give proper context to a discussion when looked back on in the future. However, what you have (possibly inadvertently) done is create an environment in which trolling individuals have free reign, and the users are powerless to do anything about it. The same three accounts have been used in the past month to create and reply to -- effectively taking advantage of your own "do not delete threads with any replies" policy -- fake "new content" threads in the Marble Hornets subforum. On the one hand, while I can see your point that since it is the same person/people, we can easily ignore him/them, on the other hand, human nature defies your faith in their ability to do that.

People will continue to respond, people will get upset, and everyone will come crying and screaming at the mods and admins (ultimately, you) to fix the problem. Telling the users who feel their community is being assaulted that you refuse to will only serve to create bad blood between yourself and the users you created the site for.

I'm not telling you that things have to change or we're all leaving. I'm simply trying to explain why your principles are not valid in this scenario. Until the individual(s) causing the problem are removed, they will continue to create problems because there is, in fact, nothing stopping them from doing so. Empowered with the ability to keep posting content that they know is undesirable to the community, they have no incentive to move on. Meanwhile, the users who want a respectable community free of troublemakers will be forced to look elsewhere.

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SpaceBass
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 		Meh. My policy is to not delete anything that isn't spam. I allow the mods here to break that rule for what they consider troll threads. It's up to you guys to make it unappealing for the trolls to post, not up to us to be your mommy and fix everything for you (even assuming we could, which we can't).

I have to say, this is the only subcommunity that I can remember that absolutely refused to take responsibility for itself. So yeah, I'm sorry it's frustrating for you just like it is for me but hey, feel free to solve your own problems however you want.

awakeasaurusrex: My offer still stands; you want to start your own forum somewhere, I'll help out however I can. I'm sure the fucks you give will be much more effective than mine.
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awakeasaurusrex
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SpaceBass wrote:
Meh. My policy is to not delete anything that isn't spam. I allow the mods here to break that rule for what they consider troll threads. It's up to you guys to make it unappealing for the trolls to post, not up to us to be your mommy and fix everything for you (even assuming we could, which we can't).

Well, could you impress this upon the mods for this forum? Because they have fairly consistently said that they can't delete those threads, contrary to what you say here, so clearly either they haven't grasped this point or you haven't communicated it to them very effectively.

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I have to say, this is the only subcommunity that I can remember that absolutely refused to take responsibility for itself. So yeah, I'm sorry it's frustrating for you just like it is for me but hey, feel free to solve your own problems however you want.

Well, only certain members of this subcommunity have mod powers. And they've consistently refused to use them. How exactly are we meant to police ourselves when the people who've been entrusted with the tools to make that policing effective refuse to use their powers?

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awakeasaurusrex: My offer still stands; you want to start your own forum somewhere, I'll help out however I can. I'm sure the fucks you give will be much more effective than mine.

"Guh buh let's see you do better" really isn't an effective defence against people pointing out your own inadequacies. I don't have to be a master chef to know that the kitchen's serving me shit in a sandwich, and I don't have to own and operate my own forum to know when a forum's fucking up.

EDIT: By the way, SB, I'm curious... do you actually want the MH/Slender Man Mythos forums here? Because the way you're talking it sounds like you'd love to jettison the lot of us.

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SpaceBass
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 		Your reading comprehension skills are...lacking.
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 		Given your recent replies, I can understand your point of view on this. I'm not going to say any more on the matter, but I will try to remind posters that giving those threads attention isn't the best way to handle it.

Feel free to take my ranting as just that: a rant. I don't plan on leaving (until I have nothing else to contribute or read) and I do appreciate that this community exists at all.

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awakeasaurusrex
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SpaceBass wrote:
Your reading comprehension skills are...lacking.
Well, do enlighten me on where I'm going wrong.

I notice you completely ignore the point that the mods in this subforum have told us to our faces that they can't delete threads with replies in because it's against policy. Mind addressing that?

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JKatkinaModerator
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
I notice you completely ignore the point that the mods in this subforum have told us to our faces that they can't delete threads with replies in because it's against policy. Mind addressing that?

I admit to having erred on the side of caution in the past in regards to the no-deletion rule. I don't know if I'm the particular mod you're referring to, or one among a group, so I can only speak for myself: the only things I've been told have been that SpaceBass doesn't delete anything that isn't straight up spam, and he doesn't consider trolling to be spam. It's true that it is against strict policy. I admit to having been unclear on the fact that this isn't policed in regards to what individual mods do until now, though god only knows I may have missed something somewhere.

That said, now that I know I can, I'll be getting rid of troll threads that have only been replied to by trolls again. Things that legitimate, well-meaning but ignorant users have replied to, though, are still going to go into the Fake Entry Compendium, because I do believe that we as a community can eventually learn to effectively ignore troll threads and I'd prefer to give it a go for a while longer.

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Randoman96
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 		I can already see that the trolls are just going to register more accounts simply to appear as a new user replying so you can't delete it.
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JKatkinaModerator
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Randoman96 wrote:
I can already see that the trolls are just going to register more accounts simply to appear as a new user replying so you can't delete it.

We shall see. At least be willing to try it this way for a while and see if it makes a difference.

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JKatkina wrote:
We shall see. At least be willing to try it this way for a while and see if it makes a difference.
Well, yeah. Trying things is better than "lol you're on your own".
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awakeasaurusrex
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JKatkina wrote:
That said, now that I know I can, I'll be getting rid of troll threads that have only been replied to by trolls again. Things that legitimate, well-meaning but ignorant users have replied to, though, are still going to go into the Fake Entry Compendium, because I do believe that we as a community can eventually learn to effectively ignore troll threads and I'd prefer to give it a go for a while longer.

...but if you just delete the threads, it won't matter that people replied to them.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
JKatkina wrote:
That said, now that I know I can, I'll be getting rid of troll threads that have only been replied to by trolls again. Things that legitimate, well-meaning but ignorant users have replied to, though, are still going to go into the Fake Entry Compendium, because I do believe that we as a community can eventually learn to effectively ignore troll threads and I'd prefer to give it a go for a while longer.

...but if you just delete the threads, it won't matter that people replied to them.

Considering that this forum has had abysmal luck with mods, I think it's important that you guys, as the active userbase, develop some sort of self-regulatory system for when shit like trolls happen. I don't plan on going anywhere in the long term, but I AM moving to a new city and starting a career in the next few months and I can't promise that you guys are going to have an active mod forever. I intend to use whatever time I do have here to help you guys learn skills that mean that this place will not be a shithole again on the off-chance that I am forced to cut this totally voluntary and relatively time-consuming activity off of my to-do list.

In the more short-term, it'd be nice to leave for even just a few days and not come back to a flurry of controversy over an annoying but manageable problem.

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stringbeanman
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 		Oh noes... the Trolls are winning..
tearing the community apart.

I know I havent been here as long as most, but as I have stated before, I am not a fan of the troll threads.
I also understand not wanting to delete any thread that has responses, but in the case of fake entries/trolls.. all the responses are along the lines of "I HATE YOU TROLLS" and others warning "DONT POST HERE!"
this does not seem like anything those posters would miss or be hurt about losing IF the mods decided to switch it up, and delete the entire threads.

so, in short, i vote to delete fake entry threads. responses or not.
but i will not be mad if it stays the same..



just my 2cents.

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