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Das Omega
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KeithXK wrote:
-When J runs, Tim decides to set up an end game. He finds Alex, plants a camera causing Slenderman to find Alex, and sends that tape to J. Thus when J finds Alex, Tim will confront them both and finish this.


Wasn't that camera Alex's old camera? I suppose Tim could have gotten his hands on the camera and planted it, but I had thought Alex had just packed it up and forgotten about it until his girlfriend found it.

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KeithXK
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Das Omega wrote:
KeithXK wrote:
-When J runs, Tim decides to set up an end game. He finds Alex, plants a camera causing Slenderman to find Alex, and sends that tape to J. Thus when J finds Alex, Tim will confront them both and finish this.


Wasn't that camera Alex's old camera? I suppose Tim could have gotten his hands on the camera and planted it, but I had thought Alex had just packed it up and forgotten about it until his girlfriend found it.


Yer probably right, but I think that still sorts of fits the shape of events, in that when J ran, Tim found this tape and sent it to J to provoke him into this end game.

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Part of the reason behind there being so many thoughts on who Masky and TTA are comes from the fact that people were proposing them before the series was over, and before everything had become more clear. Granted, I'm fairly sure that this thread was created after #26 came out, so at that point people were still flailing their arms over what was going to happen and what direction Part II was going to go...

But I think that you're right, Keith, and I like how you cut through the veil of bullshit to the heart of the matter. Because we know that TTA/Masky is Tim, and we know that Tim is ill, and that the Operator (I keep wanting to say Slender Man, but since they've acknowledged that he's a unique character at this point, it seems apt to treat him as such!) seems to be fixated on Alex but Alex managed to survive, what on earth is he after?

I'm not sure that I agree that Jay is the one with the power to shift through time and/or space. I mean, if he is, it is some side effect of having been in contact with the Operator. He obviously doesn't do it on purpose, and seems frightened about the occurrences that he shows us. TTA/Tim on the other hand, has been set up as having settled into the house for some time. If we're to link him always carrying around a water bottle, then having the prop of the empty water bottle in the closet, and the empty flat of water bottles in the room with the sprawled pills would suggest that he's been there for some time. It's Jay who follows TTA into the room with the pills, and in which TTA seems to disappear first, so I don't think that TTA lacks that ability to door-warp. (Keeping in mind that in #19, I think -- the one where he sits on Jay's dresser, at least -- TTA seems to show up without having walked in or anything. And Jay disappears for some time at the end.)

It's possible that TTA has managed to stay conscious for these transitions and is wanting to follow Jay and Alex to see what is happening to them when they're not conscious or able to remember their outings. I'm not sure if Alex had the same problem with the warping (we only ever see him in the basement, never a transition from one to the other on tape!) but if he did, then it's possible that having a camera set up would provoke the Operator to appear immediately, forcing Alex into doing whatever he did so that TTA could observe that, as well.

In any case, this mystery leading in to Part II seems like it would be tricky to make another 26+ episodes out of, which is why I'd imagine that the guys writing and producing it are taking a long time. Keeping it to a documentary style really limits (or more optimistically) focuses what directions they can go with it, so it's likely that they're trying to plot everything out so that they don't get pigeon holed onto a certain path.

My thoughts for Part II, if it's to keep the style of real-time documentary, are these:

Over the last x amount of time, Jay has sought to find Alex. He's started at Alex's new place of residence, and either found it burned to the ground, or horribly trashed. The Operator is probably nowhere to be seen, however Jay has been getting clues from his mysterious follower that continue to endanger him but seem to be leading him closer to finding Alex. Because of this, he hasn't had time to document anything, nor is he really sure that he wants to put anything up for the world to see.

Something will have happened to trigger him beginning to film again. He's seen that while he can probably escape and lead a happier, healthier life, it's just not likely to happen and it seems as though he'll have been living the consequences of delving back into the problem. There are a number of alternatives here: TTA could default to making some more videos as clues for Jay to follow, even if we aren't getting Jay's side of the story (though that hasn't happened yet, so I doubt it will be the mode they use to launch into Part II!) Alex, depending upon if he has discovered that Marble Hornets was aired and that Jay was going through his own problems, could try to reach out to Jay, since he realizes now that he can never really escape forever.

My guess is that Amy will probably have died; perhaps they go to document everything in order to show that they didn't kill her? Maybe she becomes a victim through TTA's prodding of all of them into more and more dangerous situations?

Anyways, that's tangential to the whole idea of TTA prodding Jay to lead him to the ark. Tim could do a heel/face turn at some point (either before or after they begin with Part II) to explain why he has been doing these horrible things, and what has made them necessary. It could be that because the TTA account was slightly more willing to reply to fan's questions and messages, he'll be more aware, in character, that they have watchers, so it could be that he provokes Jay into filming again. One way or the other, if he thinks that the Operator can provide him a cure to his sickness -- providing that the Operator didn't cause it in the first place, as has been typed about a lot! -- then having reunited Jay and Alex, he'll probably have put them through some more experiments to see just what is too dangerous and what he can get away with.

I do think that TTA has some connection with the Operator that is somewhat more consciously malicious; he mentions 'we' a few times and I don't think that he's talking about 'Me an' Alex!' So it could be that, while he has his own motives, he's rounding up Alex and Jay so that the Operator has them all in one place.

For what reason, I would imagine would be resolved in Part II.

But I think that the most immediate question is what is going to motivate more documentary-style filming of this gong show to continue? And will they give us a run down of what has happened over the last six months and counting?

TL;DR: Dray has verbal diarrhea yet again~

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DJogdog
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ARK
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I remember reading or seeing something ages ago about some mythical creature or demon. Referring to an 'ark' as an carrier (something or someone as a type of transport.)

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Dray
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Do you mean as some kid of possession? Like... well, I can't think of the proper name, but a demon who's said to ride people and cause them to flip the fuck out? Or a poltergeist-style possession?

Might make sense when compared to Alex's odd trance-like state whenever in proximity to the Operator... but it doesn't seem that Alex is the ark (or at least, he's not Alex R Kralie!) so I don't know if that'd make a whole lot of sense in this series.

eta: Oh hai, DJogdog, welcome to the forum! :3

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aboynamedsam
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tl:dr

There are way too many posts to go through so if this is a re-post, I apologize.

There is some speculation that the Observer was forced to take a form when he was caught on camera. Maybe the Ark is the original piece of footage that captured the Observer on camera, by accident?


**EDIT**
Yes, I did mean the Operator. I haven't gotten involved with the Tribe Twelve ARG. This was probably a slip to the TV show Fringe, of which I'm an avid follower.

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Dray
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The Observer? Do you mean the Operator? Or is this a new term that's been coined that I've just missed?

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The Observer is the theoretical Big Bad in Tribe Twelve. I'm guessing poster just got wires crossed.

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Dumbalias
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what wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'll stand by the YAMA theory. If YAMA really means "You Are My Ark", then Totheark would be interpreted as "To J."

As far as how we can interpret "the ark" as far as what it means and why it is a reference to J, my best guess would be that J is his protector in a way, even though it seems like Totheark is hostile towards him.


This is even sillier then when people thought it linked SM to a hindu death goddess. Honestly, the whole binary clock puzzle has been a dead end so far, but the translating numbers to letters part was a completely unneccesary step in an already obtuse puzzle. I could buy it if it translated to something even tangentially related, like "ARK" or "SM". But "YAMA"?

Anyway it doesen't even make sense for TTA to suddenly switch syntax and call J "My Ark" instead of "The Ark". It sounds like he's serenading him.

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I think the most important thing people have been overlooking regarding TTA is this.



It's small but important part. From it you can surmise 3 things.


  • Whatever the Ark is, actually exists, and is something physical.
  • TTA doesen't actually know where the Ark is.
  • TTA thinks J has the ark, or at least it's location.


So now you've got a very basic intent. TTA is essentially saying "You fucker, give me back the ark" and J is understandably puzzled. TTA is presumably familiar with J, since he was stalking him 3 years (!) ago, back when marble hornets was being filmed. Did J take something important that started this whole Slenderman business? Is his knowledge of somethings location (the red electrical shed thing?) what TTA is after?[/list]


Hmm, perhaps he could be talking about the tapes themselves? Or the uploads? I mean, "totheark" whether it be a group of people, one person, slendy, (anything else) or not, has a youtube page, so he could be asking him to either burn the videos like Alex said, or remove the videos from the internet.

It's kind of weird picturing masky/slendy/slendersick people on the computer though.

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Slendermen
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AshleySix wrote:
Heres one i oughta throw in.

Alex R. Kralie:

Alex R. Kralie

arK



I never thought of that before, that's a good possiblility.

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Slendermen wrote:
AshleySix wrote:
Heres one i oughta throw in.

Alex R. Kralie:

Alex R. Kralie

arK



I never thought of that before, that's a good possiblility.


yeah even though Alex Kralie's middle name has been confirmed to not start with an R, the last name Kralie is completely made up and i do believe it has something to do with it. Kra lie-- ark lie(s)?

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Have not read through this thread at all, but I was wondering if anyone has stated that the "ark" is the tunnel. I mean, in math terms an "arc" is defined as "Noun: A part of the circumference of a circle or other curve."


Which is kinda what the arch of a tunnel is. So it may be a play on how the words are slightly homonyms. And it would make sense, since the tunnel appears to be Slendy's main hangout.

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Cutboy wrote:
Slendermen wrote:
AshleySix wrote:
Heres one i oughta throw in.

Alex R. Kralie:

Alex R. Kralie

arK



I never thought of that before, that's a good possiblility.


yeah even though Alex Kralie's middle name has been confirmed to not start with an R, the last name Kralie is completely made up and i do believe it has something to do with it. Kra lie-- ark lie(s)?


totheark does seem to go on about Alex lying this season
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Mariolee wrote:
Have not read through this thread at all, but I was wondering if anyone has stated that the "ark" is the tunnel. I mean, in math terms an "arc" is defined as "Noun: A part of the circumference of a circle or other curve."


Which is kinda what the arch of a tunnel is. So it may be a play on how the words are slightly homonyms. And it would make sense, since the tunnel appears to be Slendy's main hangout.


Yeah, I did in the #49 thread, I think.
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punxtr wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
Have not read through this thread at all, but I was wondering if anyone has stated that the "ark" is the tunnel. I mean, in math terms an "arc" is defined as "Noun: A part of the circumference of a circle or other curve."


Which is kinda what the arch of a tunnel is. So it may be a play on how the words are slightly homonyms. And it would make sense, since the tunnel appears to be Slendy's main hangout.


Yeah, I did in the #49 thread, I think.


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