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Who is the Seeker of the Ark?

Alex

14%

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Alex

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Tim

23%

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Tim

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Brian

20%

[ 62 ]

Brian

[ 0 ]

Seth

[ 22 ]

Seth

[ 0 ]

Jessica

[ 23 ]

Jessica

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Someone else

26%

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Randoman96
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^So are you just disregarding Hoody entirely? Tim and whoever Hoody is are almost certainly members of TTA, and well, Alex can't observe Tim killing him.

Unless my "Hoody is Alex that time traveled and made Brian the present-Alex" theory is correct...

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:00 pm

JiingJiing
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Randoman96 wrote:

What? I'm confused D: there's time traveling involved?
I always just assumed that Hoodie and Masky were the same, unless brian is Hoodie, but we haven't really seen much of him since season 1. They're a little bit to late in the series to introduce any new character, especially since they plan on wrapping this up.

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:21 pm

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JiingJiing wrote:

Randoman96 wrote:

Hoodie and Masky have clearly been seen on-camera at the exact same time, unless I'm missing something in Entry...45, I think it was.

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:40 pm

JiingJiing
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Cougar Draven wrote:

JiingJiing wrote:

Randoman96 wrote:

Hoodie and Masky have clearly been seen on-camera at the exact same time, unless I'm missing something in Entry...45, I think it was.

I should have been more clearer (: what I meant by "the same" was actually "part of the same group" sorry for being stupid xP. But I actually just realized that I never saw #45 xD well I guess it could be Tim and Brian, I just assumed we wouldn't see Brian after he was no where to be seen after season 1. So maybe Alex has nothing to do with totheark? Unless he is a new "recruit" so to say.

EDIT: I have to go scourging around the Wiki, I'm confusing myself now >.<

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:47 pm

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JiingJiing wrote:

I think as far as the 'Alex being part of TTA' theory goes, Entry #35 set up him not being Masky, Entry# 41 and Entry #42 set up him not being Hoody, and then Entry #45 came up and knocked all the dominoes down, so to speak.

Unless the membership of TTA has changed since season one, and Alex used to be part of TTA during that period of time and now no longer is, and furthermore no longer remembers it (a theory which I don't personally find there to be a lot of evidence for), then as things stand TTA and Alex are definitely on opposite sides of the chessboard.

You can't really get much clearer than 'The next time I see you, I'll kill you!'.

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:21 pm

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Mr_Magpie wrote:

JiingJiing wrote:

That is true, perhaps Alex is not apart of TTA at all, but it does bring up the question, if Alex does have nothing to do with TTA, then why is acting so... pro-slendy, I guess you could say.

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:29 pm

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JiingJiing wrote:

Mr_Magpie wrote:

That is true, perhaps Alex is not apart of TTA at all, but it does bring up the question, if Alex does have nothing to do with TTA, then why is acting so... pro-slendy, I guess you could say.

Well, I think that implies that TTA itself is on the side of The Operator, but I don't know if I would necessarily think it's that cut and dry. TTA has certainly been urging Jay to do something all this time and has been frustrated at his lack of results, but as far as what the thing is that they want him to do... I'm not even sure if it has anything to do with The Operator, precisely.

They want him to continue his investigation (and I'm half-certain that the 'hunch' Jay said he had to search Alex's apartment either came from TTA or was something Jay made up) but we have no idea to what ends. They aren't directly violent towards Jay, but have disliked Alex intensely for some time now. Considering the likelihood that the members of TTA are cast members from the original Marble Hornets shoot, there is every chance that what they want Jay to do will end up being wrapped up in that initial three month period, and also the intervening three years.

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:55 pm

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Mr_Magpie wrote:

JiingJiing wrote:

Mr_Magpie wrote:

That is true, perhaps Alex is not apart of TTA at all, but it does bring up the question, if Alex does have nothing to do with TTA, then why is acting so... pro-slendy, I guess you could say.

Wow, that does make a lot of sense. So what you're basically saying is Masky/Hoody are enemies (of sorts) to Slendy and want to help Jay, while on the other side, Slendy has recruited Alex to help him? Did I get that right?

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:59 pm

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JiingJiing wrote:

Randoman96 wrote:

Unless my "Hoody is Alex that time traveled and made Brian the present-Alex" theory is correct...

What? I'm confused D: there's time traveling involved?

That was a joke.

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:01 pm

JiingJiing
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Randoman96 wrote:

JiingJiing wrote:

Randoman96 wrote:

Unless my "Hoody is Alex that time traveled and made Brian the present-Alex" theory is correct...

What? I'm confused D: there's time traveling involved?

That was a joke.

Well, that's not the first time a joke has gone over my head (: my bad.

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:05 pm

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JiingJiing wrote:

Mr_Magpie wrote:

Yes, as far as the first part goes. As to the second part, I don't think we can say with any reliable certainty what it is The Operator wants from Alex, if it wants anything at all. Now that The Operator has found Alex again, it mostly seems to be continuing to do what it did four years ago - following him around, teleporting in and out of his house, and making the people who get too close (first Seth and then Amy) disappear. Not to mention the effects on Alex himself.

Thinking about it that way, it seems less like The Operator's actions have changed than that our perception of things as an audience has changed, mostly due to the fact that Jay and TTA are now directly involved in the proceedings. Now that we can see Alex in his current state interacting with these other players, being so secretive and aggressive, it ratchets up the tension. We perceive that the actions of The Operator are escalating, but in fact we are seeing the same effects in a new context - as part of Jay's frustratingly puzzling investigation.

TLDR; The Operator has only 'recruited' Alex in the Second Season insofar as The Operator had been recruiting Alex back in Season One. In my opinion.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:02 am

JiingJiing
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Mr_Magpie wrote:

JiingJiing wrote:

I guess I just sort of assumed, from what a lot of other vlogs are doing, that masky/hoodie are proxies working for Slenderman, but when you put it like that it gives it a fresh perspective. It'll be interesting to see if the story pans out this way with season 3, and what intentions Slendy has with Alex. Perhaps Alex was actually working for Slenderman the four years ago then decided (for whatever reason) he didn't want to anymore so cue disappearance from him. However once Jay started his investigation, it kind of forced Alex to end up working for Slenderman again? He seems to know a lot more in season 2 than what he lets on, he also seems more confident about what to do. Maybe he's already been in the situation before and is trying to prevent at first, but eventually gives in and works for Slendy once more.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:54 am

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JiingJiing wrote:

I suppose what I meant by my TLDR was that I don't believe Alex is 'working for' The Operator, or ever has in the past. Alex has never been one to shy away from The Operator - think of the many snippets we have of him in Season One brazenly approaching/investigating The Operator, and I think you'll find that Alex's actions at the end of Entry #43 no longer seem so suspicious.

I do agree with your overall assessment of his character. He not only knows more than he is willing to share with Jay, he seems outwardly confident about whatever it is he's doing. On the other hand, though, it could be that Alex began investigating The Operator on his own after Amy's disappearance, quickly got in over his head (the drawings especially seem to point to this possibility) but between The Operator's effects and his own naturally stubborn personality, he can't bring himself to honestly seek help from the people around him. He has seen at least two individuals (Seth and Amy) disappear because he got them too close to The Operator. It could very well be that, in the end, he was trying to protect Jessica and Jay all along.

This does bring up the question of how much Alex really knows about what's going on where TTA and the Maskies are concerned. Something just doesn't sit right when we compare the way he strolled into the abandoned house in Entry #35 and pointed to Tim's hiding spot and the way he now seems to blame and mistrust Jay, accusing him of 'leading them here' and saying that before Jay showed up 'he didn't have psychopaths wearing masks tracking' him down.

It makes me wonder now if Jay wasn't more right than he knew when he said 'I thought I was supposed to come out here to help you find Amy, but with the way you've been acting recently I'm thinking the exact opposite'. Could Alex's burst of anger following that statement and the way he immediately put Jay on the defensive have been a smokescreen to keep Jay from continuing that train of thought, and so the statements he was making were not actually truthful after all?

TLDR; Alex is stubborn and a jerk (thanks to The Operator), but that doesn't mean he's made a deal with the devil, in my opinion.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:20 am
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aboynamedsam
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JKatkina wrote:

Merged to keep the good TTA discussion and dissection all in one easy place.

Welcome to the forum, aboynamedsam! That was one hell of a dissection post; I'm interested to see if something can be pieced together. In the future, though, make sure to check and see if the topic you want to post can be encompassed in an existing thread -- we don't mind resurrecting old threads here. Smile

I'll try to make sure my posts aren't covered in any of the pre-existing posts but, since I've come into it so late, there is a lot of ground for me to cover and a lot of burning questions rolling around in my head. I'm sure you know how that goes.

Thanks for the welcome and I hope that my small contribution to the mystery is of some help.

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:09 am

ShadowWolf
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totheark identity theory
Hit me like a ton of bricks, it did.

I had a pretty thorough look around the forum, and it doesn't look like this occurred to anyone else, which I find amazing.
- Jay is missing chunks of his memory.
- totheark-like videos are sometimes uploaded by Jay's account.
- totheark videos appear to show footage that's missing from Jay's tapes.
- When the totheark account was created, Jay's main goal was to get to Alex (R?) Kralie; totheARK
Jay is totheark. Yeah. Mind-blowing.
Unless I'm forgetting about some major point in the plot that proves he isn't.

Secondary theory: Jay is also the guy in the mask with the eyes far apart.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:18 pm

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