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Made my last post after skimming the thread real quickly at the time, but now that I've been able to go back in-depth, I want to address this point:
Rorschachian wrote:
"noentry" was found on his hard drive, and it was hidden there. This is either TTA's doing, or someone else. Regardless, I take it to mean that whoever put it there meant it as a half assed way of saying "Please don't put this on YouTube"

I'm starting to think that it might have been Jay who put it there. He (or Alex) is the most likely person to be able to hide a file on his laptop's hard drive in such a way that he'd be able to recover it later.

I postulate that him putting the video there is also related to him losing his memory, i.e., he does it knowing that he will lose his memory and wanted to leave some kind of breadcrumb to follow after he wakes up.

My thought process for this theory is the same one behind my reasoning for putting the collected tapes in his hotel safe and locking it with Jessica's cell phone number. I still think that Jessica didn't lose her memory, but instead was intentionally being coy and reluctant with Jay about giving him the information he needed to remember everything. I believe that this was due to an agreement the two made prior to the "event."

Another thing to consider: The safe combination was written with the Operator symbol on it. That means it's likely that Alex, Jay, or Tim wrote the actual note. Jay didn't mention it was in his own handwriting, so I think we can exclude him, and I'm pretty damn sure Alex wasn't helping them by this point. That likely means that at some point, Jay gets in contact with Tim (without mask) and they work together. In my opinion, I thought that Tim started getting slightly coherent and attempting to communicate after Alex and Jay took the mask off, but before Alex smashed his leg. I think Tim might actually be on Jay's side, but in a kind of "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, GET OUT" kind of way. Tim (as Masky) doesn't really have time to make Jay understand. He just needs to GET HIM OUT RIGHT NOW, and if that involves scaring and being threatening, so be it.

But again, this is all speculation and gut feeling. I have nothing marble concrete to give you as a basis.

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Zarggg wrote:
Made my last post after skimming the thread real quickly at the time, but now that I've been able to go back in-depth, I want to address this point:
Rorschachian wrote:
"noentry" was found on his hard drive, and it was hidden there. This is either TTA's doing, or someone else. Regardless, I take it to mean that whoever put it there meant it as a half assed way of saying "Please don't put this on YouTube"

I'm starting to think that it might have been Jay who put it there. He (or Alex) is the most likely person to be able to hide a file on his laptop's hard drive in such a way that he'd be able to recover it later.

I postulate that him putting the video there is also related to him losing his memory, i.e., he does it knowing that he will lose his memory and wanted to leave some kind of breadcrumb to follow after he wakes up.

My thought process for this theory is the same one behind my reasoning for putting the collected tapes in his hotel safe and locking it with Jessica's cell phone number. I still think that Jessica didn't lose her memory, but instead was intentionally being coy and reluctant with Jay about giving him the information he needed to remember everything. I believe that this was due to an agreement the two made prior to the "event."

Another thing to consider: The safe combination was written with the Operator symbol on it. That means it's likely that Alex, Jay, or Tim wrote the actual note. Jay didn't mention it was in his own handwriting, so I think we can exclude him, and I'm pretty damn sure Alex wasn't helping them by this point. That likely means that at some point, Jay gets in contact with Tim (without mask) and they work together. In my opinion, I thought that Tim started getting slightly coherent and attempting to communicate after Alex and Jay took the mask off, but before Alex smashed his leg. I think Tim might actually be on Jay's side, but in a kind of "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, GET OUT" kind of way. Tim (as Masky) doesn't really have time to make Jay understand. He just needs to GET HIM OUT RIGHT NOW, and if that involves scaring and being threatening, so be it.

But again, this is all speculation and gut feeling. I have nothing marble concrete to give you as a basis.



So Jay knew he was going into danger and took all the precautions, but what warned him that he would lose his memory? Is there somthing that happens that showed him what happens? and is that what we're about to see in the coming entries?
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Jay saw the twins & he didn't overreact..does that means that Jay know/is with them?

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Something keeps bothering me about this entry. When Jay watches Alex going into the woods through a gap in the trees/brush/kudzu, it's strongly reminiscent of #43, the scene right before Alex walks toward The Operator. Then Jay follows him in, and Alex is gone. Jay slowed down a tad picking his way through the brush, but still, that was an awfully quick getaway. Obviously Jay sucks at stalking and sneaking, but with all the debris underfoot, you'd think he'd be able to hear *some* indication of Alex if Alex was still walking--probably moreso if he was running. Since Alex *was* teleported soon after meeting The Operator the first time, is it possible Alex really did vanish into thin air this time?

Entertaining that possibility leads me to one question: Why? Especially since he reappears soon after--near the tunnel, which seems to be a relatively short distance down the same path. And for that matter, if there's teleposting going on, where's the visual tear? I realize I might be grasping at straws here; Jay could be just *that bad* at stalking. But this might be a case of HERP DERP TYPICAL JAY misleading us. Maybe the obvious answer isn't the correct one. (That's kinda our thing here, ya?)

I gotta agree that Alex is carrying the satchel now because he can't leave important shit at home anymore. That leads me to think the key is to Alex's apartment.

On a sidenote (HUUR HUUR): I was in the Not Op But Trees camp till I saw the SA screenshot. Still not convinced, but I can see why someone would be. If it's him, it's a side view. I happened to pause it at 3:49 and shat some brix at the shadow on the left, but that's just a ree shadow/suspense shenanigans.
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tijde wrote:
Something keeps bothering me about this entry. When Jay watches Alex going into the woods through a gap in the trees/brush/kudzu, it's strongly reminiscent of #43, the scene right before Alex walks toward The Operator. Then Jay follows him in, and Alex is gone. Jay slowed down a tad picking his way through the brush, but still, that was an awfully quick getaway. Obviously Jay sucks at stalking and sneaking, but with all the debris underfoot, you'd think he'd be able to hear *some* indication of Alex if Alex was still walking--probably moreso if he was running. Since Alex *was* teleported soon after meeting The Operator the first time, is it possible Alex really did vanish into thin air this time?

Entertaining that possibility leads me to one question: Why? Especially since he reappears soon after--near the tunnel, which seems to be a relatively short distance down the same path. And for that matter, if there's teleposting going on, where's the visual tear? I realize I might be grasping at straws here; Jay could be just *that bad* at stalking. But this might be a case of HERP DERP TYPICAL JAY misleading us. Maybe the obvious answer isn't the correct one. (That's kinda our thing here, ya?)

I gotta agree that Alex is carrying the satchel now because he can't leave important shit at home anymore. That leads me to think the key is to Alex's apartment.

On a sidenote (HUUR HUUR): I was in the Not Op But Trees camp till I saw the SA screenshot. Still not convinced, but I can see why someone would be. If it's him, it's a side view. I happened to pause it at 3:49 and shat some brix at the shadow on the left, but that's just a ree shadow/suspense shenanigans.


I thought that Jay HAD been teleported as well--he sort of looks at the hole thing, then turns around and he's in a different place. In fact the new patch of forest reminds me strongly of the area where Alex walks toward the Operator(forget which entry).

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Camero wrote:
tijde wrote:
Something keeps bothering me about this entry. When Jay watches Alex going into the woods through a gap in the trees/brush/kudzu, it's strongly reminiscent of #43, the scene right before Alex walks toward The Operator. Then Jay follows him in, and Alex is gone. Jay slowed down a tad picking his way through the brush, but still, that was an awfully quick getaway. Obviously Jay sucks at stalking and sneaking, but with all the debris underfoot, you'd think he'd be able to hear *some* indication of Alex if Alex was still walking--probably moreso if he was running. Since Alex *was* teleported soon after meeting The Operator the first time, is it possible Alex really did vanish into thin air this time?

Entertaining that possibility leads me to one question: Why? Especially since he reappears soon after--near the tunnel, which seems to be a relatively short distance down the same path. And for that matter, if there's teleposting going on, where's the visual tear? I realize I might be grasping at straws here; Jay could be just *that bad* at stalking. But this might be a case of HERP DERP TYPICAL JAY misleading us. Maybe the obvious answer isn't the correct one. (That's kinda our thing here, ya?)

I gotta agree that Alex is carrying the satchel now because he can't leave important shit at home anymore. That leads me to think the key is to Alex's apartment.

On a sidenote (HUUR HUUR): I was in the Not Op But Trees camp till I saw the SA screenshot. Still not convinced, but I can see why someone would be. If it's him, it's a side view. I happened to pause it at 3:49 and shat some brix at the shadow on the left, but that's just a ree shadow/suspense shenanigans.


I thought that Jay HAD been teleported as well--he sort of looks at the hole thing, then turns around and he's in a different place. In fact the new patch of forest reminds me strongly of the area where Alex walks toward the Operator(forget which entry).

Entry #43.

I don't believe there was any teleporting involved. Alex walked under the same foliage arch thing in 43 as Jay did in 48.
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punxtr wrote:
Guys, it's more of an easter egg if anything; if it turns out it isn't him, everyone sleeps. If it turns out it is, everyone still sleeps. Let's just give it a rest, please?


I don't know what youtube series you're watching, but I'm not sleeping any time soon thanks to Marble Hornets.

tijde wrote:
Something keeps bothering me about this entry. When Jay watches Alex going into the woods through a gap in the trees/brush/kudzu, it's strongly reminiscent of #43, the scene right before Alex walks toward The Operator. Then Jay follows him in, and Alex is gone. Jay slowed down a tad picking his way through the brush, but still, that was an awfully quick getaway. Obviously Jay sucks at stalking and sneaking, but with all the debris underfoot, you'd think he'd be able to hear *some* indication of Alex if Alex was still walking--probably moreso if he was running. Since Alex *was* teleported soon after meeting The Operator the first time, is it possible Alex really did vanish into thin air this time?


After reading all the pages I didn't notice anyone mention this but then, right at the last page, you do. Stole the only speculation I could contribute for once on the forums. ::gives you a cookie begrudgingly::

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At the very least, I think we can all agree that the filmmakers have, once again, kicked our asses. How can we be so perfectly split over this "is that the operator?" thing? They either have us seeing shadows or disbelieving what they're intentionally telling us. Either way, AWESOME.

For the record, I'm, for now, in the "It's the OP" camp. However, I didn't notice it myself the one and only time I watched the entry. I'll rewatch, I'll listen for the distortion, and I'll make my decision then. I probably won't share it though, because, as one of you put it, it makes no difference. Troseph have already gotten the reaction they want from the fans, it doesn't MATTER who's right.

Besides, HE'S WEARING BRACELETS AGAIN!

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Thought regarding the guy in the white shirt:

If he's just an innocent bystander, it would explain why Jay heads straight off. Somebody asked earlier why Jay didn't take a look into Alex's car or at least stick around to see him return. If there was a randome member of the public nearby, Jay wouldn't want to get seen trying to break into someone's car, or witness him skulking in the bushes. Jay's a bit daft but he's sensible enough to know not to get arrested. If we metagame a bit, Mr Whiteshirt might just be there to explain why Jay scooted as soon as he got out of the woods.


In other news, I'm undecided about whether that figure is Slendy or not. I saw it first viewing, wasn't sure... and none of the screencaps have convinced me otherwise. One point I'm not sure has been brought up - The Operator never seems to make any noise moving. OK, so maybe it's obscured by the camera's distortion, but he always gives the impression of moving by drifting quietly. I can't see the Operator as one to cause rustling and breaking twigs behind our cameraman - just doesn't seem like him. So if anyone caused the noise that made Jay turn around, its more likely to be a human character. I wonder - might it have been Alex? Certainly we know Alex must be quite familiar with these woods by now, and we suspect he's aware Jay follows him. He could quite feasibly have doubled back and ended up behind Jay...?

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Susil wrote:
Thought regarding the guy in the white shirt:

If he's just an innocent bystander, it would explain why Jay heads straight off. Somebody asked earlier why Jay didn't take a look into Alex's car or at least stick around to see him return. If there was a randome member of the public nearby, Jay wouldn't want to get seen trying to break into someone's car, or witness him skulking in the bushes. Jay's a bit daft but he's sensible enough to know not to get arrested. If we metagame a bit, Mr Whiteshirt might just be there to explain why Jay scooted as soon as he got out of the woods.

Makes me wonder if Whiteshirt guy ever considered reporting some suspicious activity...

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Well, let's say that the guy who filmed noentry was Alex. At the time J lost a track of Alex, Alex was already running with a hand held camera in his hand. He took it out. And, he makes his way to this tunnel. I don't know, but it seems that he is surprised by the blood there. He walks in, and finds a rock (I always thought it was a rock/block of concrete Alex used to break Tim leg) and white t-shirt covered in blood. As he turns around, he sees OP and his camera tied to him goes off. Well, from here, I would say that OP and Alex haves a little chit chat or something (any ideas?) and after that, OP leaves, and Alex just stays in there for a little. I'd say, he waits for J to catch up with him. After Alex sees that Jay is here, he crouches, puts his camera in his satchel and looks at J. J freaks out and runs to his car and leaves. If we take it this way, white t-shirt does not die, and he is just a minor person.

What do you think about this, when it's putted that way?

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i'm gonna be the only guy who thinks that 29 and 48 took place on different days

while i do think the guy in the white tee is there for a reason (they could have waited five minutes to film that little portion until the guy left) - i don't think the same shirt he's wearing is the one we see in 29 (unless all that guy wears is white shirts - basing this off of my thought that 29 and 48 are on diff days). what we saw in 29 could have been a rag for all we know. i do think, however, that he could be a TTA/MH cast member and they're cluing us in similar to how they had hoody sitting by the tree in entry 42 - jay even pans across to him just before entering his car


as far as the twig snapping goes, there's no way that was slendy making that noise. slendy appears to jay's right, while the twig noise is clearly made behind him much closer than slendy is. i think if anything it's TTA following jay, and when TTA saw slendy he ran

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pravado wrote:
i'm gonna be the only guy who thinks that 29 and 48 took place on different days


No you're not. I don't think Jay would have went back to that place on the same day, especially not after getting caught peeping (seriously, how hard is it to stand BEHIND someone and not be seen?) Plus, in 29 he seems really desperate to me; almost like he doesn't want to be there but he has no other option. I don't think he is quite to that point yet in 48.

Someone mentioned earlier that Alex may in fact be TO himself, due to the screen tearing and vocal distortions that happen when he is on screen or upset (my apologies to the original poster, I cannot find the page you mentioned this on). My thinking is, what if AMY is TO?

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Think about it. TO shows up and scares away Amy and Alex. Amy disappears, so Alex tracks down Jay to help him find her. Somewhere along the way he starts to suspect that Amy is, in fact, the new TO (whether through possession or transformation or whatever). He confronts TO to confirm this (after lying to Jay and dropping him off at the hotel) and willingly subjects himself to Slendy sickness in order to try and save her; to find a cure. He "serves" Slendy, but in reality is trying to rid his girlfriend of the entity (all the while dealing with Jay constantly fucking things up). The TTA coalition either is unaware of this or are trying to stop Alex from curing Amy for some unknown reason (maybe so they can learn how to become Operators themselves). In fact, the Ark may simply be the vessel which TO inhabits in order to exist. That could also explain why in the first season TTA was all about "you will lead me/us to the Ark" and now they never mention it. Maybe Alex was supposed to be the original ark/vessel, Amy got caught up in the craziness, and now she has uniwttingly taken Alex's place.


With all that said, I still believe that there is only one Operator. This is only a possible theory that I thought sounded intriguing. Still, who knows? In a series about a giant slender faceless creature who lives in the woods and stalks a group of twenty-somethings I guess anything can happen. Very Happy

EDIT: Expanded on the theory above.

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TheBigFinish wrote:
pravado wrote:
i'm gonna be the only guy who thinks that 29 and 48 took place on different days


No you're not. I don't think Jay would have went back to that place on the same day, especially not after getting caught peeping (seriously, how hard is it to stand BEHIND someone and not be seen?) Plus, in 29 he seems really desperate to me; almost like he doesn't want to be there but he has no other option. I don't think he is quite to that point yet in 48.

Someone mentioned earlier that Alex may in fact be TO himself, due to the screen tearing and vocal distortions that happen when he is on screen or upset (my apologies to the original poster, I cannot find the page you mentioned this on). My thinking is, what if AMY is TO?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Think about it. TO shows up and scares away Amy and Alex. Amy disappears, so Alex tracks down Jay to help him find her. Somewhere along the way he starts to suspect that Amy is, in fact, the new TO (whether through possession or transformation or whatever). He confronts TO to confirm this (after lying to Jay and dropping him off at the hotel) and willingly subjects himself to Slendy sickness in order to try and save her; to find a cure. He "serves" Slendy, but in reality is trying to rid his girlfriend of the entity (all the while dealing with Jay constantly fucking things up). The TTA coalition either is unaware of this or are trying to stop Alex from curing Amy for some unknown reason (maybe so they can learn how to become Operators themselves).


With all that said, I still believe that there is only one Operator. This is only a possible theory that I thought sounded intriguing. Still, who knows? In a series about a giant slender faceless creature who lives in the woods and stalks a group of twenty-somethings I guess anything can happen. Very Happy


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Thank you for making one of the only sensible things that could involve why there was a snap behind jay and Slendy to the right, cause after all the years of stalking the Slendy's done he woundd't make a noise unless he wanted to be seen and he clearly didn't this entry cause Jay walked right passed him!
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