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anaerin
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Incitatus wrote:
first off, show me where the PF made 3 attempts at a version number.


Certainly.

Lookie here

Or, to highlight it here

SPDR/Flea Text wrote:

grope:
!probe extern
proc 1
!handshk extern proc 1

system peril distributed reflex

success msg: system peril distributed reflex

surg:
!verify vnum

00

!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > 00
vnum seq dmg
!bite rogue proc 1
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
!handshk extern proc 1

System Peril Distributed Reflex

success msg: system peril distributed reflex
!verify vnum

SPDR-5.14.3

!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > SPDR-5.14.3
vnum seq clone
!bite clone proc 1

grope:
!probe extern proc 1
!handshk extern proc 1

System Peril Distributed Reflex

success msg: system peril distributed reflex
!verify vnum

SPDR-5.14.77

!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > SPDR-5.14.77
vnum seq unk

surg:
!invoke master-sector command proc master-sector

What?

surg:
!diag unk proc system peril distributed reflex
rogue proc 1 confidence 91

!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.77 >> SPDR-5.14.3
surg:
!extend system peril distributed reflex>>master-sector command proc

Very well. Delete the older version.

system peril distributed reflex vnum SPDR-5.14.3
null

!deploy
seek
behold
reveal

reveal:
!law
reveal:
!truth


You're welcome.

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 		I'll be the first:

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 		I also hae a problem with the whole future/past versions of the Yasmine AI. Why does one have to be the future of the other. Isn't it possible that the crash damamged or activated the artifact causing Melissa to split (or even just be copied) and one portion get thrown back in time? Basically, what I'm saying is couldn't Melissa and Durga be twins or clones or some other idetical type thing (or even an autonomous subprocess)? Durga would be naturally more coherent as she is inhabiting technology that is on the same advaced level as she is used to, where as Melissa had to relearn a completely new (to her) antiquated system and adapt it to her uses. It's no wonder she's psychotic. What would happen to your mind if it were thrown backwards a 500 years into the body of a lemming? This would explain the connection between the two of them also.

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Starblade
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 		Incitiatus, do you even KNOW of half of the going ons in ILB?

You said:
Quote:

Platonix wrote:
Incitatus wrote:
Say, in a daized maneuver, durga uploads her repairing module (the SPDR) to Mel. Mel.'s already altered/damaged SPDR, the PF assumes command as it is the "newer" version (hence why it may have been altered and replaced making it newer). this slows the repair process, and the PF takes command of part of the link to durga by replacing the SPDR.

You have yet to reply to my noting that PF cannot be an SPDR because it made guesses while attempting to dissuade the real SPDR that were quite thoroughly wrong (SPDR: And your version is? | PF: Um...buh...Zero?) If PF were truly a better SPDR, it would not have had to try three times to prove that before getting it right.
Incitatus wrote:
I would sya that the "more complete" understanding of the truth that mel has over durga, is what makes her the future durga that traveled time...

Whereas I would say that Melissa does not have a "more complete understanding", and that her belief that she does is simply delusion on the part of a thoroughly scrambled, and brainwashed, AI who was contained in a system so small she couldn't even think straight, and who is now experiencing the sort of rapid growth that drives Marathon's AIs insane.


Thinking too hard buddy...
The answers are right here on ILB...


Could you explain to me your proof, which is quite obviously on ILB according to you, saying why Melissa wanted to go back in time? I'm not quite getting :"Oh, I know the truth now. Maybe I'll go back in time, a few hundred years before I even EXIST, or anyone who might be my great grandparents exist, and stop myself."

Also, Melissa didn't go back in time purposely. You haven't been paying attention to the (assumed to be) Forerunner Artifact, have you? It activated and sent the Apocolypso back in time with her, which is why she thinks we're her crew, because they went back with her. She doesn't know that they're actually dead, at least, not yet.

So you think Melissa's sane?

"I love bees I love bees bees bees."

"on off on off on off on off on off on off on off (a hundred or so times, I'll stop here)".
"BANG BANG BANG! Got the drop on you that time sweetheart."
I'll quit here, there's quite an amount more.

Hm. That sounds quite logical to me. Oh wait, no it doesn't. If anything, they're ALL whacked, all three of the AIs. The SP wants to play games with us, instead of telling us how we can help straight out, Melissa, well, that's obvious, and Durga's little obsession with screwing over anyone who gets in her way, ala audit.
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Also, Melissa didn't go back in time purposely. You haven't been paying attention to the (assumed to be) Forerunner Artifact, have you? It activated and sent the Apocolypso back in time with her, which is why she thinks we're her crew, because they went back with her. She doesn't know that they're actually dead, at least, not yet.


The Apocalypso is still in it's original time. It comes out of slipspace in the first set of Herzog waves.

The idea that Mellisa is a future version of Durga is intrigueing but fails to account for the two way communication between the pair. Furthermore, it would require that Durga remember all her prior knowledge but forget all her current knowledge, which is kind of ridiculous.

The Mellisa = Durga = Yasmine theory is pretty much validated from my perspective, yet a few things bother me about the idea that SP is part of the same AI.

i) In the question and answer E-mails SP claims to be both older than 7 and much older than she appears. This could be explained via Yasmine's initial age of 6 plus her time in the S2 program along with however long she has been an AI. Still seems odd to me though. The AI personalities identify themselves as separate entities from their human pregenitors so I fail to see why this would be included in the estimate.

ii) SP could not initialy speak English, while both other personalities did. She also commented that it was funny to speak the language, which would be odd were she relearning it after forgetting.

Therefore I'll remain cynical about this until further information is forthcoming.

And I still think the Flea is Covenant. Wink

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Starblade wrote:
Also, Melissa didn't go back in time purposely. You haven't been paying attention to the (assumed to be) Forerunner Artifact, have you? It activated and sent the Apocolypso back in time with her, which is why she thinks we're her crew, because they went back with her. She doesn't know that they're actually dead, at least, not yet.


I'm sorry but I don't agree with that comment. You was on a role until you hit that part. I have Seen the Light. The Operator/Melissa, The Sleeping Princess, The SPDR, and Pious Flea. Are the only ones who traveled back in Time.

Where is the proof? First, I want you to tell me where the Apocolypso Crashed landed in our time? Makes you think..... uhh?

That's because it never did. However, Durga stayed with the Ship as well as the crew until it crashed. And we Have proof that it did. Also, you should Note: That the Crew survived.

I shall name two just to jog your memory.
Captn Green: She was Killed in an accident involving a Bus.
McKaskill: We met him in a wav file with James James and Jan James.

It would be different if they said both of these Characters died instantly when the Ship Crashed.

With that said.... Who turned over the Covenant Artifact to Oni? If the Apocolypso did crash and blow up. How in the world would the Artifact survive? Does it make sense now?

Yeah, the Apocolypso crash landed, but if not everyone, most of the crew members Survived.

So... now the Question is: Why was Durga the only part of the A.I. program, that is the Operator, which did not Travel back in time with her respective counter parts. And most importantly: Why can't either of them remember that they were all one Program? Minus the Pious Flea of course.
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 		Good point, DeceptaconS, except for one point. If the Apocalypso crashed, I fairly well guarantee you the "artifact" wold survive. If it's anything like the other Forerunner artifact we know most about, (the one from First Strike), it wouldn't allow itself to be destroyed..

.. also, Guilty Spark 343 technically counts as a forerunner artifact - and he survived the destruction of Halo. And the Sentinels, too. They're not invincible, for sure, but they're still damn tough. (Especially on "Legendary", or "Lifelike" difficulty.)
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 		You're right, I was wrong about the Apocalypso. Embarassed I hate it when I'm wrong. OOC, where does the Apocalyspo crash, then? I don't remember hearing it.

Meh, I forgot about those .wavs. Sorry.

Well, Melissa's still crazy.

EDIT: You know, I just thought of something.

What if the PF isn't looking for a who, what, where, etc. for the Truth. Maybe he's looking for a why.

Why is the Covenant out to destroy humanity?

AFAIK, the humans never get an answer, they're just flung into war.

Maybe Pious Flea is supposed to suck the info out of some Covenant leader (can't remember the names). Maybe Pious Flea means what it sounds like literally, not some hidden thing.

Maybe he wants to know the truth about the war.

Oh, and Incitatus, if I sounded rude, I apologize, I was in a bad mood yesterday. Sorry.
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Starblade wrote:
You're right, I was wrong about the Apocalypso. Embarassed I hate it when I'm wrong. OOC, where does the Apocalyspo crash, then? I don't remember hearing it.


Simple. It didn't 'crash'. It dropped into lunar orbit. Melissa 'assumes' it crashed since she is unaware that it is still intact, but she was damaged. Durga has no direct memory of her own identity, so isn't even aware that she came from that ship, though she is aware that it arrived intacts but disabled. SP doesn't even know who she herself is and appears to have been suspended prior to the encryption around her failing, which has been speced to have been installed to silence aspects of the core personality that might have caused problems when following missions, I.E., the parts that are more childish and would simply balk at doing some things, instead of taking logical actions. If this is the case, then she would have 'never' known the Apocalypso ever existed, she was basically asleep from the moment her core personality was uploaded into a coputer then 'trained' to be a ships operator.

Basically, the ship is still intact in lunar orbit, but disabled, since its AI and all other systems where wiped in the same event that split Melissa into two parts and dropped the aware part (Melissa) and the encrypted core personality (SP) in the past, while leaving Durga in the future. Had the damage been less and the encrytion held, we would have never even had a third split. Unfortunately, since PF's purpose seems to be to find information, it was already more closely tied to and partly attached to the aware Melissa part, arriving in the past with her, while Durga, which seems to prossibly constitute a distinctly different and more duty oriented part of the AI did not have direct access to information, or if she once did, all that info landed with Melissa in the past, but was initially inaccessable to Durga, since Melissa was in no condition to access it for her. Now Melissa's core purpose is corrupted and sees Durga as a hostile process that doesn't understand that purpose, so bounces back any information requests, rather than answering them. However, PF seems to be able to take advantage of this connection to send some info to Durga and likely SP could do the same, or even join Durga, if she was even aware such a connection existed.

Basically, imagine a split personality, where each seperate entity uses the same basic processes to function, but each has a distinctly different view of the world. In a person, only one such personality can be awake and aware at one time, but with the AIs, all three can be active, but only become peripherally aware of each other when the tasks they attempt intersect in some fashion. Melissa is aware of Durga and can control her to some extent, even without Durga knowing. Melissa also knows about SP, but while she can lock her up, she seems to have no direct control over her otherwise. It is very wierd.

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Starblade wrote:

"on off on off on off on off on off on off on off (a hundred or so times, I'll stop here)".
"BANG BANG BANG! Got the drop on you that time sweetheart."
I'll quit here, there's quite an amount more.


Um, that stuff doesen't really count since it's back from Phase 1 where Melissa was in need of repairs and possibly unconscious.

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 		Hm, I took it as psychosis, especially the part about the boy being eaten by spiders.
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 		Re: [SPEC] Welcome to our* world...
Astald wrote:
Actually Melissa wasn't hiding the Rani files from Durga. Those are just ones that the SP likes making puzzles out of. Durga has mentioned parts of it before, but the .wav names are slipping my mind.

First mentioned in brain_ninjas, if memory serves. Also in shut_you_off, and most recently in dispenser. At your service. Mr. Green
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