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[VIDEO] Entry #49
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Camero
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tijde wrote:
sweetgums wrote:
Okay, so I asked a doctor friend of mine about blood coagulation. While she's no criminology expert, she told me that in the case of a "pool" of blood, it'll likely stay fresh for a few hours and then dry up. In other words, assuming that entry #29 occured one day after #49, it's impossible that the fresh blood in the tunnel is Bruce's, unless of course:

1. At some point between those two days it rained, and the blood got mixed with water, keeping it 'fresh'/liquid enough by the time Jay gets to the tunnel.
2. Troy and Joseph didn't get their facts right before filming.


Did you/she take high humidity into account? They *are* in the steamy south in a warm season. And it was raining at least some of the time. 

On another note, am I the only one who thinks calling Jay and Alex "best friends" isn't entirely accurate? I know they're friends, but Alex turned to Seth and possibly Brian over Jay in Season 1. And Jay didn't seem all that bothered about Alex disappearing until he remembered the tapes and got sucked into the mess. I get the feeling they're more like guys who used to hang out. Now they're working together because either (a) they each have no one else to turn to, (b) they don't *want* to pull anyone else in, or (c) Jay thinks Alex has answers/needs help, but really Alex is just trying to get rid of Jay or sacrifice him for Amy.

This might sound nitpicky but I'm not being anal for the hell of it; the distinction could be important. If they weren't ever closer than buddies, it raises the likelihood that Alex has had ulterior motives or nefarious plans for Jay since Amy vanished. Whether they were BFFs or not also changes the tone for *this* video, if you buy the theory that Alex thought he was attacking Jay.            


Well according to the introduction video, Alex is a "college friend" of Jay's, but after the filming of Marble Hornets they haven't had any contact in over three years. Additionally, at the start of the series Jay (having lost his memory) thinks he was never in the marble hornets movie. Given that they are both film students, one might expect Jay to be a little hurt by this, but he doesn't seem to indicate that he is/was. This suggests that they probably were not "best" friends.

Even so, it's still entirely plausible that Alex was trying to in some way protect Jay through his actions, as some have suggested. They were obviously friends to a degree, and they have both been through a lot together recently with their Operator hunting.

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Owlish wrote:
King_Taco wrote:
stringbeanman wrote:
hate to say it.. but i dont like how The Operators arms looked.
paper towel roll style.

but thats just me being annoying. loving all the ideas on here. it was a good entry, and is moving the story along well.


yea that kinda bugged me too, like he didnt have any hands and his arms seemed longer than normal


I've kind of noticed that the length of his arms seems to change from entry to entry. Not sure if this is deliberate (he's supposed to be kind of stretchy, right?) but it can be distracting. I'm thinking it might be a technical issue?


maybe, but in entry #14 you can clearly see that he has hands of some sort although thy do look like they have socks over them lol

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Quick word on the blood from an EMT now finishing up medical school...

No there is no way for it to be accurate. So blood "dries" really quickly, which is to say, it gets crusty and what not faster than you might expect. The larger the volume of blood the longer it tends to stay "wet." Blood doesn't really coagulate on itself well without specific factors helping it, so must of the drying is on the ground it touches, which it does contact. So small volumes have a high surface area:clotting factor ratio. Big volumes have a lot of clotting material that needs to contact the ground to clot and become the traditional "dried" look.

How many people actually have been around pools of blood enough to know what volume is more appropriate for what appearance? I don't think so many. I personally believe that the blood isn't Bruce's anyways, but even so, I think it could be Bruce's and still be reasonable if that's what we find out. It's an easy OOG error to make.

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tijde
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shoeler wrote:
sorry. read through half of the thread. hope this hasn't been covered.

i've a very big feeling that tothestrangled had actually been following alex. it doesn't seem to be a short walk to the tunnel from the parking lot. there's a 15 minute gap between jay running away and bruce arriving. assuming jay and bruce walk at similar speeds, bruce had 7-8 minutes to get to alex.

since it's not a short walk, i feel like he had to make a bee line straight for alex. the coincidence of him just happening to walk deep into a forest exactly where alex is is very slim.

whether this makes bruce one of the hooded dudes, i don't know. or what his motivation would be if he's following alex why he'd reveal himself. i'm just saying that he could have wanted to follow alex, but saw jay go after him, and decided to wait. once he saw jay leave, he knew he was clear and went to alex.


I think Bruce is just an innocent bystander. My guess is that he may have seen Ninjay following Alex and thought it was suspicious. Being smart, he didnt follow in case Ninjay was a killer, so he waited until Jay came back, then went in to make sure that Alex was ok. Then got wtfpwned by Alex.

Poor Bruce...

He just wanted to help!


Jay's car wasn't parked where Alex's was. It may have been (and almost certainly was) considerably closer than Alex's. I figured Bruce got concerned when he saw a wild, panicked Jay booking it out of the woods and making his getaway. Especially since Jay had a camera. Maybe he thought Jay saw some shit go down and caught it on film, or that Jay stole the camera from another hiker. Whatever it was, Bruce was relatively close to Alex and got to him quickly, looking to offer help.
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Camero wrote:
Owlish wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I'm not buying the "Operator sees faces only" theory. Don't get me wrong: I LIKE that theory.. but something about it just feels.. like.. it isn't right. Confused

I think I'm going to go with the dumbed down, simplistic theory that Slendy is an evil guy, and he's using Alex to do his dirty work. Namely bat-shit crazy, rock bashing murders. Might be kind of lame, but I don't think the plot is going to amount to much more than this. (But I hope it does)


I really hope it does. I enjoy nerding out on the philosophical implications of Slenderman and Marble Hornets way too much be satisfied with "The Operator is bad because he just is" theory. But there's a good chance you're right.


I'm thinking that the nature of the Operator will probably never really be explained at any point in the series. One of those things that's much better if you leave it to the audience's imagination.


I think you're right. In this series, a definitive "answer" to anything would sort of ruin the magic. And anyway, if everything was answered, what would we all talk about?

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Well first of all, this entry really wasn't that scary... it was just disturbing. i mean i was expecting someone to die eventually, i just didn't think that it would be alex commiting the murder though i should have seen it coming since entry 45. but i really didn't expect it to be mostly shown on camera. never before in marble hornets have we seen this type of action.


ok but i really wonder why alex had to kill whiteshirt. i mean he probably was some random stranger that just happened to walk by wanting to help out, but what if alex had seen him before he went into the forest and told him not to follow? i wonder if he was of any importance before this murder?

also, i just realized that whiteshirt must have gone wandering through the park when he saw jay booking it to his car out of the forest. he probably was expecting something to be up.

also, if you look at entry 29 and then this entry, what we originally thought was slendy in entry 29 i'm really starting to think is alex. i mean if you look at the way alex is standing stradling whiteshirt's body, it looks just like the figure in entry 29.

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JustJim
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I know I just posted a topic about this on the Slender Man Mythos board, but I really wish they'd make The Operator move more. Even if it's just a little bit, it really ups the scare factor for me when He moves. When He doesn't, He practically looks like a cardboard cutout. I realize it must not be easy to do, but even something like the head tilt or peering down over the body would have made His appearance here a lot scarier.

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Tornd
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Something I think should be noted. I think the general consensus is that Alex is meeting Jay at Rosswood to do what he did to Bruce and, if you re-watch #38, it supports that.

When Jay puts the camera down at the end, watch Alex. He's already pretty close to Jay, but he starts moving closer and he doesn't stop walking when the tape goes off. This seems a lot more menacing knowing what he did earlier, doesn't it?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Someone's about to (try to) get their murder on.


EDIT: Also something I noticed: Alex doesn't have his chest-cam or camera bag in #38. Hmm...perhaps he didn't want to have footage of what he was about to do and he didn't want to make Jay suspicious by telling him he couldn't bring his camera?

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Camero wrote:
Owlish wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I'm not buying the "Operator sees faces only" theory. Don't get me wrong: I LIKE that theory.. but something about it just feels.. like.. it isn't right. Confused

I think I'm going to go with the dumbed down, simplistic theory that Slendy is an evil guy, and he's using Alex to do his dirty work. Namely bat-shit crazy, rock bashing murders. Might be kind of lame, but I don't think the plot is going to amount to much more than this. (But I hope it does)


I really hope it does. I enjoy nerding out on the philosophical implications of Slenderman and Marble Hornets way too much be satisfied with "The Operator is bad because he just is" theory. But there's a good chance you're right.


I'm thinking that the nature of the Operator will probably never really be explained at any point in the series. One of those things that's much better if you leave it to the audience's imagination.


I disagree. Certainly a straightforward, comprehensive answer would be disappointing, but so would leaving everything unanswered.

Think how unsatisfied you'd be if the end was "Well, Alex is dead, the maskys have scattered, and we managed to escape the Operator. Now Jessica and I have to go try to live normal lives. Too bad we never found out why any of this happened."

I think a satisfying ending doesn't necessarily have to give solid answers as to the Operator's entire backstory, but should at least justify its motives and WHY it's doing what it is.
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Jalathas wrote:
Camero wrote:
Owlish wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I'm not buying the "Operator sees faces only" theory. Don't get me wrong: I LIKE that theory.. but something about it just feels.. like.. it isn't right. Confused

I think I'm going to go with the dumbed down, simplistic theory that Slendy is an evil guy, and he's using Alex to do his dirty work. Namely bat-shit crazy, rock bashing murders. Might be kind of lame, but I don't think the plot is going to amount to much more than this. (But I hope it does)


I really hope it does. I enjoy nerding out on the philosophical implications of Slenderman and Marble Hornets way too much be satisfied with "The Operator is bad because he just is" theory. But there's a good chance you're right.


I'm thinking that the nature of the Operator will probably never really be explained at any point in the series. One of those things that's much better if you leave it to the audience's imagination.


I disagree. Certainly a straightforward, comprehensive answer would be disappointing, but so would leaving everything unanswered.

Think how unsatisfied you'd be if the end was "Well, Alex is dead, the maskys have scattered, and we managed to escape the Operator. Now Jessica and I have to go try to live normal lives. Too bad we never found out why any of this happened."

I think a satisfying ending doesn't necessarily have to give solid answers as to the Operator's entire backstory, but should at least justify its motives and WHY it's doing what it is.


That's actually more what I was talking about. Sorry for any miscommunication. No, simply walking away from the story would be a cop-out, but so would wrapping everything up in a nice little package. I think the challenge is to strike a balance where discussion and speculation can be made, but people aren't left totally in the dark. So far I think the MH guys are doing a fine job of it.

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sweetgums wrote:
In other words, assuming that entry #29 occured one day after #49, it's impossible that the fresh blood in the tunnel is Bruce's, unless of course:

1. At some point between those two days it rained, and the blood got mixed with water, keeping it 'fresh'/liquid enough by the time Jay gets to the tunnel.
2. Troy and Joseph didn't get their facts right before filming.

Sleight's post explains it pretty well.

Owlish wrote:
I enjoy nerding out on the philosophical implications of Slenderman and Marble Hornets way too much be satisfied with "The Operator is bad because he just is" theory. But there's a good chance you're right.

Many of us here think that the Operator's "motives" are more of the Blue and Orange Morality variety.

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Cutboy wrote:
also, if you look at entry 29 and then this entry, what we originally thought was slendy in entry 29 i'm really starting to think is alex. i mean if you look at the way alex is standing stradling whiteshirt's body, it looks just like the figure in entry 29.

I'm getting the impression that Alex's stance in that shot and the fact that he is, after all, a rather slender person himself, are being consciously used, in a symbolic way, to show that he's tied to the Operator somehow.

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tijde wrote:
Latent wrote:
shoeler wrote:
sorry. read through half of the thread. hope this hasn't been covered.

i've a very big feeling that tothestrangled had actually been following alex. it doesn't seem to be a short walk to the tunnel from the parking lot. there's a 15 minute gap between jay running away and bruce arriving. assuming jay and bruce walk at similar speeds, bruce had 7-8 minutes to get to alex.

since it's not a short walk, i feel like he had to make a bee line straight for alex. the coincidence of him just happening to walk deep into a forest exactly where alex is is very slim.

whether this makes bruce one of the hooded dudes, i don't know. or what his motivation would be if he's following alex why he'd reveal himself. i'm just saying that he could have wanted to follow alex, but saw jay go after him, and decided to wait. once he saw jay leave, he knew he was clear and went to alex.


I think Bruce is just an innocent bystander. My guess is that he may have seen Ninjay following Alex and thought it was suspicious. Being smart, he didnt follow in case Ninjay was a killer, so he waited until Jay came back, then went in to make sure that Alex was ok. Then got wtfpwned by Alex.

Poor Bruce...

He just wanted to help!


Jay's car wasn't parked where Alex's was. It may have been (and almost certainly was) considerably closer than Alex's. I figured Bruce got concerned when he saw a wild, panicked Jay booking it out of the woods and making his getaway. Especially since Jay had a camera. Maybe he thought Jay saw some shit go down and caught it on film, or that Jay stole the camera from another hiker. Whatever it was, Bruce was relatively close to Alex and got to him quickly, looking to offer help.


doesn't matter where they were parked (though i think jay's parked further away, since he's in a legitimate parking lot and alex parked as close as he can to the forest area), bruce had to know exactly where to go. in entry 48 it takes jay 3 onscreen minutes to get from alex's car to the tunnel, though jay obviously makes a lot of edits for time. i'm saying it's a big park and bruce would have to know exactly where to go to find alex. even if he were just a curious bystander, wondering why one guy's following another, how did he know where to find alex?

i'm not discounting coincidence, which i think there's a better chance, but i don't know if we should set in stone the notion that bruce is an innocent bystander.

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I don't know if this has been said yet (and the thread's too long for me to have read through it all yet) but I think the next entry will end up tying #38 and #29 together.

If you notice in #29 it's dark outside and the cameraman (presumably Jay) is running through the forest. He eventually ends up in the tunnel where Alex murdered poor Bruce. At the beginning of #38 Jay mentions to Alex that it's getting dark, and could easily be just before the events of #29.

My theory is that Alex calls Jay there to kill him, but Jay finds a way to escape. On his way he either gets lost or deliberately goes to the tunnel to find out what Alex was doing. My guess is that Jay and Alex get into an argument and Jay brings up the tunnel and starts asking questions. Alex immediately gets angry and tries to kill Jay. Jay escapes and goes to the tunnel to see what Alex was doing (and why he got so angry) where he finds blood and TO.

Queue the events leading to the hotel encounter, and the end of out 7 month gap.

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I've haphazardly read through around 75% of this thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but does anybody else think that the way Alex stands after killing this poor fella is very reminiscent of the way The Operator stands during the revelation of Entry #29? This makes me lean even more to the theory of him being a "vessel" of TO. Of course, that might just be how he stands and be a total coincidence but it's something I noticed and thought I'd see what everybody reckons...


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