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[SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
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 		[SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
So I've been thinking about the important locations in Marble Hornets ever since Entry #49 came out. I thought about the tunnel and stuff and came up with an insane theory regarding their significance. However, it does make sense.

-=-THE BASEMENT OF DOOM-=-

As we all know, the Basement of Doom's first appearance was in Entry #22. But is it actually a basement? Is it even part of our dimension? Most likely not. As stated in an OOG interview (sorry, I can't remember which one), the Operator loves fire. Water snuffs out fire, so it's safe to assume that the Operator hates water. The "Basement of Doom" is most likely not a pump house like most people think.

Someone mentioned that that the Basement of Doom looks like one of those buildings where dead bodies are tossed into machines and burned. To me this makes the most sense. The Operator probably set up the Basement of Doom as it's home turf. Thus, it treats the Basement of Doom in the same way a human treats a house - they usually go home to have dinner and things like that. The Operator probably transports it's victims to the Basement of Doom so they can be "eaten" or however the Operator disposes of it's prey.

The Operator doesn't seem to know the difference between a sleeping person and a dead person, hence why we sometimes see characters get transported out of their beds while they're sleeping. If the victim is actually alive, they have a chance to wake up and navigate the Basement of Doom for a bit before the Operator realizes its mistake and transports the human back to his or her dimension. However, if the human purposefully pokes around too much, the Operator will get angry and attack on its own accord.

Time seems to pass faster in the Basement of Doom. See the list of occurrences below.

The Basement of Doom could have been implied as early as Entry #14. Here's a list of all possible occurrences of the Basement of Doom:

Entry #14: Since the Operator is still mostly sticking to the shadows, it sneaks into Alex's room rather than teleporting directly in. Once off screen, it transported the sleeping Alex into the Basement of Doom. At that point Alex woke up and probably nosed around a little too much - he probably did something to greatly piss off the Operator. This is far-fetched, but maybe Alex was sleeping with a gun due to all of his Operator shenanigans. Once inside, he could have taken a shot at the Operator, hence the bullet casing. The Operator gave him a bloody head as a warning before it transported Alex back, without his gun of course.

Entry #18: An unconscious Jay was transported by Tim since the Operator hadn't Returned yet (cwutididthar). Judging by the similar occurance from the Tweetpocalypse, Jay could have been asleep for as long as a week. He must have woken up by the red tower, but he didn't know this at the time. See Tweetpocalypse and the section about the red tower for more information.

Entry #19 and Return: Tim did transport Jay, but it wasn't to the Basement of Doom. It was to that random house in Return, probably Brian's house. It's unclear what Tim(?) did to get the Operator to come back after three years, but Jay was still asleep/unconscious, probably to attract the Operator.

Entry #22: By this point, Alex probably knows what's going on and purposefully goes to sleep with Seth (BWAHAHA). The Operator transports them both to the Basement of Doom. Realizing that one of the guys was the one who screwed around earlier, the Operator seems to attack and kill Seth before transporting Alex back. This must be a last warning to not screw around in the Operator's turf.

Entry #23: If I recall correctly, Jay fell unconscious during this entry and woke up in the BONE closet. He must have fallen unconscious again just before getting transported to the Basement of Doom. Jay pokes around the Basement of Doom before the Operator finds the living human and transports him back.

Entries #26 and #33: It's still sort of up in the air about who is responsible for the disappearances of Amy and Jessica and where they are now. They were probably both transported to the Basement of Doom.

Tweetpocalypse: By looking at the dates of the tweets, you'll see that Jay was apparently asleep for six days. Once again, he wakes up in his car near the red tower. When Jay fell asleep, the Operator must have transported Jay to the Basement of Doom, perhaps to examine his mind and see how much he knew. Once finished, the Operator transported Jay to the side of the road in his car. In reality, Jay was probably asleep for about twelve hours. Tim most likely did the same thing in Entry #18 - the Basement of Doom must be able to amplify someone's Slendypowers. The character responsible for Jay's transportation here might actually have been Tim instead of the Operator, which would make more sense if you factor in the severe headache that Jay got. No one ever transported Jay to try to steal the tapes, hence why they're still there when Jay gets back to wherever he's going through the Season 2 tapes.

Entry #44: Alex resumes his Operator drawings, goes to sleep, and waits for the Operator to transport him. Since their alliance seems to have begun at the end of Entry #43, the Operator probably figured it would be easier to "talk" with Alex in the Basement of Doom. Since time goes faster in the Basement of Doom, they must have been "talking" until the camera's battery ran out, as Jay mentions.

Entry #49: People are still unsure whether Alex killed Bruce out of rage or just as a sacrifice to the Operator. I think the latter is more likely. Regardless, the Operator transported the dead Bruce to the Basement of Doom and disposed of him.

-=-THE RED TOWER-=-

The red tower seems to be a beacon for our dimension. Jay woke up near it twice - once near the end of Entry #18 and once during the Tweetpocalypse.

When someone is transported from the Basement of Doom, they will either end up in their car by the red tower or back in their bed - the person or thing who was doing the transporting has the choice of these two locations to transport the person. This would make a lot of sense because it ups the creepiness factor - the Operator could have actually taken you to the Basement of Doom last week and you don't even remember it! It just transported you right back into your bed! You crazy person, why haven't you started filming yourself?!

The red tower appeared as early as Entry #5. Here's a list of all possible occurrences of the red tower:

Entry #5: During location scouting, Alex decided that the area near the red tower was a good location for filming. This entry is generally agreed to be one of the first entries in the chronological timeline. The Operator's appearance into our dimension may have had something to do with Alex getting so close to the red tower.

Entry #18: After possibly being transported to and from the Basement of Doom by Tim, Jay woke up off the side of the road in his car. He must have woken up by the red tower, but he didn't know this at the time.

Entry #19.5: "SEES ME AT THE TOWER" As indicated by the distortion, the Operator was watching Alex during Entry #5.

Entry #21: Tim left a tape in the red tower.

Tweetpocalypse: After possibly being transported to the Basement of Doom by the Operator or Tim, Jay woke up off the side of the road in his car near the red tower.

-=-THE TUNNEL AND THE ARK-=-

The purpose of the tunnel is quite unclear since it was just introduced in Season 2 and it's still being expanded upon in current entries. For now, I'll speculate the best I can.

I doubt the tunnel is another "house" for the Operator - that's already the purpose of the Basement of Doom. This is a ridiculous theory, but perhaps the key to Slendypowers lies at the end of the tunnel - the ark? If the story from Entry #38 is true, then the Operator must be one of the criminal's corpses which somehow came in contact with the ark. From then on, the selfish Operator guards the tunnel from any passerbys to keep the ark for itself, hence why the Operator is seen in Rosswood so often.

The ark would explain why Jay doesn't distort cameras, even after all of the contact he's had with the Operator. It's safe to assume that the ark would give you all of the following powers:

-Mindwiping
-Malfunctioning of electrical devices
-Transportation
-Teleportation
-Time travel

The reason totheark used to be obsessed with the ark is because they wanted the powers of the ark. However, Tim and Hoody must have eventually become satisfied with their arkyness and stopped being obsessed with the ark (around Entry #18 which was Masky's debut on camera with distortion and all), but continued to make cryptic videos. Right now, they want Jay to do something - most likely get rid of the Operator and Alex so Tim and Hoody can have the ark to themselves.

Jessica mostly likely came in contact with the ark towards the end of the seven month blank, which would explain the distortion. This probably angered the Operator and it mindwiped Jay and Jessica, wanting them to forget that the ark ever existed. However, Tim still wanted them to get rid of the Operator and left the tapes in a safe, forcing them to ally in order to open the safe. After Jessica was apparently transported to the Basement of Doom by the Operator, Tim teleported in and made Jay high-tail it out of the hotel. The Operator had probably realized that Jay and Jessica were going to be back on the scent of the ark again after the tapes were retrieved.

Alex is working for the Operator in exchange for small doses of ark. At the end of Entry #43 Alex approaches the Operator, knowing about the ark. They sealed the deal in the Basement of Doom after Alex was transported at the end of Entry #44. Once he has enough Slendypowers, Alex will be able to overthrow the Operator and get Amy back.

Well, this actually makes a lot more sense than I thought it would!

The ark has been implied as early as the creation of totheark's channel. Here's a list of all possible occurrences of the ark (the actual ark itself, not the Slendypowers):

Early Totheark Videos: The Masked Alliance wanted to find the ark. Since Jay was watching Alex's Operator-related tapes, they wanted to him to show them where the ark is.

Entry #29: The exact time of this video is still unknown, although it seems to be after Entry #49. Jay could have been trying to approach the ark or was just investigating the tunnel.

Entry #38: Alex could be finally willing to show Jay the ark. Or maybe he just wants to stone Jay.

Entry #43: At the end of this entry, Alex decides to work for the Operator in exchange for some ark in order to save Amy.

Entry #44: The Operator transports Alex to the Basement of Doom to "talk" about their deal.

Entries #45 and #46: The Operator protects his poorly-paid minion.

Entry #47: The first signs of Slendypowers show up in Alex.

Entry #48: Alex waits at the end of the tunnel, perhaps waiting for the Operator to grant him access to the ark.

Entry #49: The lust for ark drives Alex to the point of killing anyone who gets in his way. At the end of the entry, Alex calls Jay, saying he "found something." Alex could be finally willing to show Jay the ark. Or maybe he just wants to stone Jay.


I'll be editing this post to update things as new entries come out.

Also, your thoughts?
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 		Re: [SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
SecretPerson wrote:

-=-THE BASEMENT OF DOOM-=-

As we all know, the Basement of Doom's first appearance was in Entry #22. But is it actually a basement? Is it even part of our dimension? Most likely not. As stated in an OOG interview (sorry, I can't remember which one), the Operator loves fire. Water snuffs out fire, so it's safe to assume that the Operator hates water. The "Basement of Doom" is most likely not a pump house like most people think.

Someone mentioned that that the Basement of Doom looks like one of those buildings where dead bodies are tossed into machines and burned. To me this makes the most sense. The Operator probably set up the Basement of Doom as it's home turf. Thus, it treats the Basement of Doom in the same way a human treats a house - they usually go home to have dinner and things like that. The Operator probably transports it's victims to the Basement of Doom so they can be "eaten" or however the Operator disposes of it's prey.


Not to be rude, but are you suggesting that because the Operator likes fire, he must be living in a basement, burning half of his victims for warmth and eating the other half?

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 		Woah, this puts my newly created thread to shame! I'll read this later when I have the time, but I really appreciate you putting so much thought into this. I think that the three locations that you've mentioned are VERY relevant and will be especially prominent in given time.
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 		Re: [SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
chickenburger wrote:
SecretPerson wrote:

-=-THE BASEMENT OF DOOM-=-

As we all know, the Basement of Doom's first appearance was in Entry #22. But is it actually a basement? Is it even part of our dimension? Most likely not. As stated in an OOG interview (sorry, I can't remember which one), the Operator loves fire. Water snuffs out fire, so it's safe to assume that the Operator hates water. The "Basement of Doom" is most likely not a pump house like most people think.

Someone mentioned that that the Basement of Doom looks like one of those buildings where dead bodies are tossed into machines and burned. To me this makes the most sense. The Operator probably set up the Basement of Doom as it's home turf. Thus, it treats the Basement of Doom in the same way a human treats a house - they usually go home to have dinner and things like that. The Operator probably transports it's victims to the Basement of Doom so they can be "eaten" or however the Operator disposes of it's prey.


Not to be rude, but are you suggesting that because the Operator likes fire, he must be living in a basement, burning half of his victims for warmth and eating the other half?

We've never seen him burn his victims. The general consensus is that he just eats his victims. And I don't actually think it's a basement, I'm just calling it the "Basement of Doom" because that's what everyone is used to calling it.

Maybe the Operator just likes the Basement of Doom when it comes to transporting his victims there. Heck, we might never know, but the distortion is insane there.
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 		Re: [SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
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SecretPerson wrote:

-=-THE BASEMENT OF DOOM-=-

We've never seen him burn his victims. The general consensus is that he just eats his victims. And I don't actually think it's a basement, I'm just calling it the "Basement of Doom" because that's what everyone is used to calling it.

Maybe the Operator just likes the Basement of Doom when it comes to transporting his victims there. Heck, we might never know, but the distortion is insane there.


No the general consensus is no one knows what he does with them, not that the only thing in the world with no face somehow eats people. And I have been reading unfiction for a while and no one has ever said the "basement of doom".

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Slendermen wrote:
SecretPerson wrote:
chickenburger wrote:

-=-THE BASEMENT OF DOOM-=-

We've never seen him burn his victims. The general consensus is that he just eats his victims. And I don't actually think it's a basement, I'm just calling it the "Basement of Doom" because that's what everyone is used to calling it.

Maybe the Operator just likes the Basement of Doom when it comes to transporting his victims there. Heck, we might never know, but the distortion is insane there.


No the general consensus is no one knows what he does with them

That's what speculation is for - to come up with possible solutions for unanswered questions.

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not that the only thing in the world with no face somehow eats people.

I never said I believed that. I said that's what most people think he does with them. That's why I put "eat" in quotes in the original post and tended to use the word "disposed" instead.

Slendermen wrote:
no one has ever said the "basement of doom".

Wrong. Almost every time I've seen it mentioned, it's referred to as "the dilapidated building," "the Basement of Doom," or just "the basement." The Basement of Doom is the only actual name for it that's not generalizing.
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 		Re: [SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
SecretPerson wrote:
Slendermen wrote:
SecretPerson wrote:
chickenburger wrote:

-=-THE BASEMENT OF DOOM-=-

We've never seen him burn his victims. The general consensus is that he just eats his victims. And I don't actually think it's a basement, I'm just calling it the "Basement of Doom" because that's what everyone is used to calling it.

Maybe the Operator just likes the Basement of Doom when it comes to transporting his victims there. Heck, we might never know, but the distortion is insane there.


No the general consensus is no one knows what he does with them

That's what speculation is for - to come up with possible solutions for unanswered questions.

Slendermen wrote:
not that the only thing in the world with no face somehow eats people.

I never said I believed that. I said that's what most people think he does with them. That's why I put "eat" in quotes in the original post and tended to use the word "disposed" instead.

Slendermen wrote:
no one has ever said the "basement of doom".

Wrong. Almost every time I've seen it mentioned, it's referred to as "the dilapidated building," "the Basement of Doom," or just "the basement." The Basement of Doom is the only actual name for it that's not generalizing.



But one speculation doesn't make it a "general consensus", and yes in fact it was in your long theory multiple times, "disposed" makes sense. Also you got "the basement" part right, I've not heard the other two on any threads, maybe I've missed them on others.

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Slendermen wrote:
and yes in fact it was in your long theory multiple times, "disposed" makes sense.

Okay, I suppose I worded it badly. Confused

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Also you got "the basement" part right, I've not heard the other two on any threads, maybe I've missed them on others.

I've seen it mentioned many times in the past. *shrug*

Slendermen wrote:
But one speculation doesn't make it a "general consensus",

Didn't you see how many people were talking about how Bruce became a Slendy-Snack?! And what's with the random blood in the Basement of Doom? I thought Slenderman ate people in the original myths, anyways. But that doesn't matter, the Operator's eating habits are not what I'm trying to speculate about.

With that aside, let's get back on topic, please.
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 		I just had the funny unrelated thought that The operator stalks his victims waiting for them to die so he can eat them.

"C'mon... C'mon... Yes... the fridge is falling... Aww Come on!"

It would be like a less Micheal Bay version of Final Destination. Very Happy

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Vzombie wrote:
I just had the funny unrelated thought that The operator stalks his victims waiting for them to die so he can eat them.

"C'mon... C'mon... Yes... the fridge is falling... Aww Come on!"

It would be like a less Micheal Bay version of Final Destination. Very Happy

Laughing

Although I think the Operator can kill someone when it really wants to (like Seth in the basement).
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 		Long time lurker AND SO ON

I read it more as a Dionaea House kind of deal, with the Operator being the house - he infects Alex and makes him lure all his friends to their deaths, and when the police eventually close in on him, he just looks like your run of the mill insane serial killer. But his memory of what he does seems to be a bit clouded - he talks about Seth, Sarah etc being 'gone' like he knows they won't be around anymore, but something is stopping him from knowing that he killed them (guilt or mindbuggery).

It might even explain the dead animals that turned up at his house, little practise runs he made as he worked his way up to the real deal. It figures that the Op can't actually kill anyone, or he would have killed J and the others himself. But it seems he can induce unconsciousness ("sllee pno.w"), and control people a bit (presumably not enough to just make them kill themselves though). Or, as has been speculated, he needs someone to 'remove the face' of whatever he's about to eat/burn/possess, which adds a new level of horror to the series if true (at least some of the masked crew could be failed sacrifices). It also seems he needs them brought to a particular place (Alex brought Seth to the basement, tried to bring J to the tunnel, maybe J and Jessica were brought to the hotel for the same reason).

OK that's enough spec for now, back to work!

Edit: Fuck work!

If he gets more powerful after every sacrifice, would that explain his varying levels of influence through the series? He seems to be only good for standing around during the first entries, but he is able to teleport into people's homes and screw with space time after the 'disappearances' of Brian, Seth et al. If we take this as a theory, the next entry could be very interesting if it features a freshly-fed Operator...

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 		I very much like this theory!

As for your ties to the ark and distortion, I've been thinking. I recently rewatched the series and noticed a small connection between Entry #21 and Entry #41.

In Entry #21, when Jay is walking to the red tower, he looks into a moss-covered hole and the camera starts to experience some minor audio distortion.

In Entry #41, when Hoody is walking through Rosswood to Jay's car, he stops at a stream and points the camera at a little cave behind a small waterfall. The camera experiences the same audio distortion as in #21.

Not to mention that both of these places are on the thumbnails for their respective Entries!

Perhaps the ark is located underground, though I imagine the Red Tower's forest and Rosswood's forest are miles apart. Maybe the ark is simply tied to the underground in some form.

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 		Should have said, I like the idea of the red tower being an anchor of sorts that people get deposited at after going on a slender holiday. Maybe the tape was put there by Alex one time he woke up there? Or, the tape was 'spat out' there after the events that were recorded on it.

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Foood wrote:
In Entry #21, when Jay is walking to the red tower, he looks into a moss-covered hole and the camera starts to experience some minor audio distortion.

Really sucks that some asshole bent on "disproving the MH hoax" went to that place and dug that hole inside out. Mad

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 		Hahahaha, that really happened? Wow! How did he even find it?

Edit: In another thread on here someone says that the guy in question didn't actually dig it up, just a bunch of people went and looked at it. But OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It looks like we won't be seeing any more entries in the Basement of Doom, guys...


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