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Paul_Atreides
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SleepingHellion wrote:

I've also been thinking about this, and the question "how did he get the chest camera, and the banquet of footage that has been filmed with that?" And quite frankly, I don't think any good, puritan answers are coming to that question.


I was thinking the same thing, and a failed theory kinda changed to make this one: Jay meets with Alex in Rosswood (like we see in 38, it is established fact) but after he changes tapes, Alex distorts in front of Jay, and tries to take him out. They struggle, in which Jay gets the chest camera from Alex, leads to Alex being injured.

Alex is very closely bonded with the Operator, and this makes him try to defend Alex like he did with the Maskies.

Jay has fled, and he makes his way with the chest camera to the tunnel in noentry, where he sees the blood fresh from the day before. He looks up and sees the Operator, who has caught up with him, and erases his memory, dumping him in the hotel.

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Paul_Atreides wrote:
SleepingHellion wrote:

I've also been thinking about this, and the question "how did he get the chest camera, and the banquet of footage that has been filmed with that?" And quite frankly, I don't think any good, puritan answers are coming to that question.


I was thinking the same thing, and a failed theory kinda changed to make this one: Jay meets with Alex in Rosswood (like we see in 38, it is established fact) but after he changes tapes, Alex distorts in front of Jay, and tries to take him out. They struggle, in which Jay gets the chest camera from Alex, leads to Alex being injured.

Alex is very closely bonded with the Operator, and this makes him try to defend Alex like he did with the Maskies.

Jay has fled, and he makes his way with the chest camera to the tunnel in noentry, where he sees the blood fresh from the day before. He looks up and sees the Operator, who has caught up with him, and erases his memory, dumping him in the hotel.


Why wouldn't the Operator just kill Jay, though? Why bother randomly tossing him into a hotel?

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awakeasaurusrex
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Maybe there's certain things the Operator can't do directly, and needs human intermediaries for some tasks.

It's worth pointing out that with this Entry it seems that Alex has become the most dangerous entity in MH, at least in the sense that he's the only character in the series (Operator included) who we know has actually killed someone.

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Oscar Langley
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IG, I wonder if the twitpics have been posted yet or not.

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HerpMyDerp
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Ramsesmfg wrote:
Alex:120 pounds. Random Guy: 200 pounds.

Alex throws Random Guy to the ground and choke him.

Seems legit.

Oh c'mon. Alex is a pretty stout looking guy. He's at least 5'10, and he has some muscle on him. I'm sure he's at least 150. And there's no way that that guy was 200! o.o

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On the subject of #29 and Alex, if you watch carefully there's a split second where the picture is a bit less washed out, and you can see his arms reach almost to the floor. I think it's the Operator, but that doesn't mean the resemblance doesn't mean anything. Whether it's OOG symbolism or for some IG reason.

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"OOG sybolism". There's that phrase again.

Why, pray tell, would Troy and Joseph add something to the series that means something, but only when not considered within the boundaries of the story? ESPECIALLY in a story where almost everything you see matters.
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
It's worth pointing out that with this Entry it seems that Alex has become the most dangerous entity in MH, at least in the sense that he's the only character in the series (Operator included) who we know has actually killed someone.


I dunno, that depends on how you qualify danger. Personally, I think being killed by a random act of violence ala Bruce is pretty damn awful. But remaining alive while being stalked across states and years, losing everyone close to you, and eventually having your personality and identity consumed to the point that *you're* the one killing innocent bystanders, all caused by a paranormal entity, is so much worse. Add to that getting stalked and taunted by crazies who may be just like yourself... *Brr*.

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in the 29 screenshot the very skinny arms have little blobs at the end that resemble hands where as in the picture of the operator in 49 he has no hands at all.


Unless they're not just hands, but hands holding... TWO ROCKS. Dun dun dunnn. Razz
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Randoman96 wrote:
"OOG sybolism". There's that phrase again.

Why, pray tell, would Troy and Joseph add something to the series that means something, but only when not considered within the boundaries of the story? ESPECIALLY in a story where almost everything you see matters.
The same reason any author or director ever would.



Also, isn't it implied OOG when you call it symbolism? Otherwise it's more of a coincidence.

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Yes, but in regular movies, you can have symbolism, because it's meant to be a movie. The viewers in the theater aren't anxiously writing down everything that happens, then speculating it on a forum. Almost everything that's happened in MH has been important in one way or another, so symbolism doesn't really have a place.

If the figure in 29 is Alex, they why would the arms reach so far down, out of symbolism of The Operator? That doesn't make sense, within the boundaries of MH. Unless, Alex is turning into an Operator, in which case, whatever.
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I don't think it was OOG symbolism, maybe if they had done it before, but any symbolism that's been done in the past has been in game. It just doesn't seem to be trosephs style to make ironic nods that are OOG.

If nothing else it probably was to show that Alex has become evil, or to make us believe he's become evil, since we've come to associate that stance with the main villain in the story.

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if the figure in 29 is Alex, they why would the arms reach so far down, out of symbolism of The Operator? That doesn't make sense, within the boundaries of MH. Unless, Alex is turning into an Operator, in which case, whatever.


Maybe you can get a better screenshot then me, but it doesn't look like the arms go that much farther down, more like he's holding something. OOG:
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I want to think it's really good use of lighting and maybe his bag in one hand, camera in the other, to make him look more slendy. If so, Troy would be my favorite person ever.
However, I still think it could go either way. I just hope the next entry comes out soon, or a totheark response, or something...

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Randoman96 wrote:
Yes, but in regular movies, you can have symbolism, because it's meant to be a movie. The viewers in the theater aren't anxiously writing down everything that happens, then speculating it on a forum. Almost everything that's happened in MH has been important in one way or another, so symbolism doesn't really have a place.

If the figure in 29 is Alex, they why would the arms reach so far down, out of symbolism of The Operator? That doesn't make sense, within the boundaries of MH. Unless, Alex is turning into an Operator, in which case, whatever.


I both agree and disagree. Symbolism has its place, but why does it have to be OOG? We know for a fact that TTA uses symbolism to communicate at all. If he didn't all his messages would be along the same lines as, "Hey Jay! I know what the hell's going on!" On top of that, if Alex is mimicking Slendy in any way, then he IS symbolising slendy, no matter what. It's not to assume that this symbolism is supposed to make context outside of the game, though. It's the same contextual referencing a good mystery novel or movie uses. You don't go to a movie and say, "boy this is good symbolism, I wonder if it's a message to tell me what the director, writers, and actors believe!" If you notice the symbolism in the movie, any film critic would first connect it contextually to what else is going on in it. The same should apply here.

As far as whether or not NoEntry figure is Alex or Slendy, it doesn't exactly change things too much either way. It's clear that, In Game, TTA wanted to warn Jay about Slendy lurking around in the tunnel. After 49 Jay finds out that both Slendy and Alex are, in some way, working in tandem in that tunnel. TTA might have other messages for us hidden in various things of NoEntry, but I doubt there's a vital piece of information as to whether Alex or Slendy is the figure in the tunnel and if it is important who's standing at the end of the tunnel, we'll still have all this good conversation so that Team Alex and Team Slendy can say, "I told you so!"

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^^ agree. The nature of symbolism is fluid, too. If you prefer not to see symbolism in something, then you don't have to, but I think MH has plenty of material in it, intentionally or not, that can be analyzed in a variety of ways. I can't speak to whether or not Troy & Joseph "put" symbolism into this series, but I don't think it matters. If someone sees symbolism or other literary-type themes, then they do. If someone doesn't, then they don't.

I agree, though, that the presence of speculative forums changes things a little compared to movies or books. I personally like looking at things like this critically, but I understand that some prefer the literal approach.

I'm sorry if I should know this already, but did Troy and Joseph write out the series in its entirety beforehand, or are they making this up as they go?

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Owlish wrote:
I'm sorry if I should know this already, but did Troy and Joseph write out the series in its entirety beforehand, or are they making this up as they go?

They had the ending planned since the beginning, so I would say yes and no. Yes, they knew the main direction the story would take; and no, some specific parts had not been thought of and they decided them along the way (much like the decision to make a third season).

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Incorrect, they had an ending planned out, but scrapped it once they reached a little over 20 entries. They expanded and rewrote it. After all, there wasn't supposed to be a TTA in the first place.
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