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Atropanocturna
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 		In my LONG conversation with Bill yesterday he asked what the "message: was in the packet. I just told him it was a name of a contact @ V.N. and that they probably wanted to remain a secret for now. Now that we are finally past all the questions and whatnot it seems that he actually wants to get to the bottom of the dataserver3 email. This is what he sent me:

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Listen.

My daughter was seventeen when she went missing. I need some closure. I can't go on like this. Please, help me...This can't be a coincidence. You're telling me that someone hid their name inside of a package the company sent you? You have to tell me more. This is my daughter...Please.

Something has to be going on here. You help me, and I'll do my best to help you. I think our goals are one in the same.


Somehow I cant think that this guy is asking for any other reason than to try to find his daughter, but well, we're still at the beginning here and you never know. Thoughts?
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 		I think it would best if we refrain from discussing Cory any further with anyone. If he is our insider, we need to do whatever we can to keep him there. He's obviously afraid for his life, and has a good reason, I would assume. Yeah, it may sound a bit cliche'd, big company using hitmen to silence anyone speaking out against them. Regardless, we ought to be careful where Cory is concerned.

For now, since you have the report built with Bill Atro, I say you act as the go between with Bill and Cory. OR, to reduce exposure of Cory, someone else act as communicator with Cory. We don't know how deep this rabbit hole gets, and FB isn't exactly the best at keeping secrets from slipping out, if you know what I mean. Perhaps we can figure out a way to talk with him more securely, IE the irc channel we have up, or something similar. Maybe then introduce Bill and Cory to one another, and go from there.

/end ramble

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 		We'd have to secure the IRC channel in some way.
Also, there's another link between Cory and Bill. The Suits at Veil were thought to be CIA (or FBI, but that's beside the point) and the article mentions the CIA. I can't really read the rest of the paragraph, so that might be from another article, or even OOG. It may be nothing, but there's always a chance.

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 		That's odd. I have never known the CIA to respond to a kidnapping case. The FBI, yeah, but the article and Bill did mention the CIA. That could be huge.... why would they be handling it? Not to mention if it was the same org in Veil's offices that day.

We're missing something here. Whether we've overlooked it, or it's been withheld, I don't know.

I still think there is more about those newspapers...

As far as securing the IRC, we can password it, yeah? It would just be a matter of passing that info on to Cory. He may feel more apt to divulge info if it were password protected.

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 		if you're going to pull IRC IG make a new soley IG channel.
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 		@Shy yeah, that sounds like a plan. Anyone else interested in participating if an IG room is made?

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 		I'm fine with that

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 		So did we want to make that IG IRC channel? I can do that, if people are in agreement of it, and feel like it's the best course of action.

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 		Spoke with Cory.
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[You] How would you feel about a secure chatroom?

[Cory Wester] Ross, I'm fine with anything that is secure. Anything with people that can be trusted.

The only thing about it is, I get the feeling that if Veil wants to get into something, they will. With the CIA or whoever was there last week, I don't know if anything will keep me safe. They're definitely slow playing this now. Theyre waiting for me to crack, I know it. Theyre keeping me close.
[Cory Wester] Ross, did you get my message?

[You] Just got it, I was away from my computer for most of the day.

Even with Veil's possible cracking capabilities, IRC or something would still be safer than FB, if only because of the added requirements to know the server and channel

[Cory Wester] Okay, safer is better. Do whatever you need to do.


So, I'd say go for the IG channel.

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 		Alright, I'll get to work on that. Tinkering with the Eve.bmp first, while emailing Cory, Bill, and poking the dataserver3SPLATveilnanoscience.com email. Also wondering if bringing Theresa back into this (about the image) is a smart move or not.

EDIT: Alright, here's what I've come up with in the past hour or two.

Cory and I wrote:


Cory wrote:
Thanks for getting in touch with me. I heard about the picture. I've never heard of data server 3. I don't know the girl either. But, after talking with some people (Josh Egged) I'm thinking that we must be overlooking something. I kept thinking about it this weekend and it just doesn't make sense. Someone else in the company, maybe someone in IT, who would have access to this "data server" did it?

The point is, I think they're probably doing the same thing I am. Except, they're probably better at hiding something there (considering they're good at computers because they're in IT?) I can only guess. I put mine in the documents because, well, I'm in HR and I use Word all day.

They have to have left SOMETHING. You found me, now try to find whoever sent this. There's gotta be something in there.

Oh, also. Talking to Josh, he asked me if I thought there was something in the legal pad or the other articles. You never know, but to me, the thing I keep thinking is that we don't even know if whoever sent that actually took that picture. What if it was already on a Veil SERVER? Data Server? I don't know.

Anyway, as I told him, my #1 priority right now is to keep myself and Leslie safe, but I'll do anything to help. Tomorrow should be pretty telling. Josh Argeris has me convinced that Veil knows something, otherwise I would be fired if they thought it was a prank. I'd like to be more positive than that but he has a point.

I'll be around tonight if you need to talk.

Cory


Myself wrote:

Cory,

Listen, I hate to pry like this - but since this is a bit more private now than Facebook or your work email, I have to ask: why'd you do it? Why throw your name in there so cryptically? Granted, it was clever, but I still don't quite understand why you wanted to get your name out there, especially if you didn't want to get in trouble. What is Veil doing that has you so angst-ridden and nerve-wracked?

I'm going to look over the picture some more, and the email source, see if I can't figure anything out. I'm a bit drained from the day, but it'll give me something to focus on. If you have anything for me to go by, or any inkling as to who might have sent this out, let me know - likewise, if I come across anything of particular interest, I'll let you know.

So far, all I know is about Bill Randall's search for his daughter, Eve. I'm not sure why someone at Veil would interested in this guy's daughter, or the investigation - it makes no sense to me whatever, the affiliation. Going to keep digging, I guess.

Keep in touch, man.


Cory wrote:
Why hide my name? Because what I found out...the possibility of what could be happening...it was too horrible to let it continue or happen again. I did it because I'm not the type of person to see an old man fall in the street and hope that someone else passes by that will help.

Is that good enough for you? Yea, I know, you don't need to remind me that I put myself in danger, my family in danger, I know that already. I think about it EVERY. FUCKING. SECOND.

My first objective is to keep my family safe. I knew I was going to need help if I wanted to achieve that. That's another reason that I gave my name. When it was more people that I thought, I got scared. What if Veil found out? What if they went after all of you? I'm doing my best to trust you, and now YOU have to trust ME.

This isn't easy, not even close. If you want to back out now, just tell me, I'll appreciate all the help you've given me and try to do this on my own.


Myself wrote:

But what did you find out? Or is that what you can't tell me yet? Is that what you're asking me to trust you on? Because trust is what you've got from me, Cory. In fact, I'm trying to do everything I can to do whatever is possible to help - hell, I don't even know what all that entails, to be honest, but I'm trying. No worries, you're safe talking to me. I have my own suspicions about Veil and this joyous little Project Mnemosyne, but I guess that's the side-effect of watching too many movies, right? Though, the intuition might serve me well.

Has anything else happened at work that seems odd, or off kilter? Do any of your friends work in that IT department where you think the email was sent from? And most importantly, is there anyone at all at work that you still trust 100%? Or should I consider all of Veil a threat?


Cory wrote:

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to go off like that. That's not me. This isn't me.

I'm a normal guy, I work 9-5, I photocopy, I take coffee breaks. This isn't me. And I have no idea how to go about this in any way other than myself, and me in this situation feels scared and alone.

I do trust you. I really do.

Friday was absolutely TOO normal. No mention of the suits from our office manager, Miller never came in to ream us out about anything. It was so odd, how normal it was.

We'll see how tomorrow goes.

Unfortunately, I don't have any contacts in the IT department. I'll see if anyone else does. I should add that, while at this point I agree, Josh Egged actually came up with the idea of the IT department. I think it's our best guess, but I really have no idea.

As far as people go, the only people I absolutely don't trust are Veil, Bradenburg, and Miller. Those three run everything. Veil is sort of a hermit, I don't see him at all really. He's had a rough history, I know that much. I feel bad for the guy. Doesn't mean I trust him though. Bradenburg puts on a sweet show, but again, if she's in charge, I don't trust her.

Miller, he's by far the worst of them. He's not a good guy. From what I hear, he used to be a pretty normal guy, but he just seems like the type to do anything to get what he wants. He'd stab you in the back the first chance he got, I would think.

I'll let you know how tomorrow goes.


Myself wrote:

Don't worry about it, man - people get defensive under pressure. It's a natural response. I took no offense.

As far as the IT department, yea, I'm mostly in agreement with that - depending on the level of complexity to this picture, anyways. Right now I'm just picking apart any aesthetic irregularities I find, see if they hint me towards something. I'm wondering if there's more to the file itself, though - if this was the work of an IT guy, there could be plenty hidden within that file. It'll take me some time.

I figure I'll ask you while I have you here - as far as Bill Randall and Eve Randall are concerned, are you aware of any affiliation Veil has with the family? I asked Bill, but he knew of no dealings his daughter had with the company.

And lastly, I wanted to get your opinion on this: I've been toying with the idea of asking Theresa about the Randalls. Now, I haven't contacted her in some time - not since things started getting weird for you over at Veil. I didn't want to jeopardize your anonymity, so I just stopped contacting her altogether. At the same token, if there's someone, like you, scared, and trying to get a message out, I wouldn't want to throw them under the proverbial bus.


Cory wrote:
Okay. I think it's certainly possible, what you said about the file. I'm not really too well versed in things outside of MS Office and E-Mail, I wouldn't know anything about how to find something in the article.

I've never heard of the Randall's before, but, to touch on your next idea, I think asking Theresa is probably a really good idea. I don't know her too well, but since she's already aware of me, I'm not too concerned about her really.

She would know more about company dealings than I would, for sure.


Alright, so that's a little much - I also apologize if I repeated questions to Cory that others have already discovered. I've had a hellish weekend, and haven't been able to keep up quite as well as I'd hoped. But I'm catching up and doing some work to make up for it.

Now, for Bill.

Bill and I wrote:


Myself wrote:
Dear Mr. Randall,

My name is Damian Rivers, and before I say anything else, please know that I sympathize with your situation regarding your daughter - I cannot imagine how it must feel to be separated from your own child. I am truly sorry. I know you must be receiving a good number of these emails now that a picture of the newspaper article has been distributed to a collection of seemingly random individuals, and I apologize for being just another one in the bunch, but, sir, I have a feeling that this seemingly random series of events are hardly random at all. I do not mean to sound ominous by saying it that way, but it's true - the people that received that email and picture, as you very well may know, are all linked to Veil Nanoscience Inc., and are all recruited participants in Veil's new project.

Now, when I received this email, and I researched your blog, and read your story, a tiny question started to gnaw at me from within: why would Veil have any affiliation with your daughter's absence? And I wondered if she had any dealings with them during school, or if you had any past connections to the company or its current employees. And just out curiosity, she didn't attend, or look into attending the Presidio Institute of Technology by any chance, did she?

I've dedicated some time tonight to trying and figuring out anything I can about the image we received - I, like the others, only wish to offer you aid in finding your daughter, sir.

I will keep her and your cause in my prayers.

Sincerely,

Damian Rivers


Bill wrote:

I appreciate the sympathy and I thank you very, very much for being so cordial. It's been extremely hard on me and my whole family.

Eve was so young, so innocent. She wasn't the type to be involved with anything that would put her in danger. She was innocent but she was also extremely smart.

She wanted to help people.

She was not interested in the Presidio Institute as far as I know, and I was pretty heavily involved in her college search. She was very strongly interested in special education.

Since you are associated with the others who have been emailing me, please give them my apologies. I feel like I may have come off cold and unwelcome. Anyone who has dealt with loss knows that everyone handles it differently.

I have contacted the company, I'm sure that I won't get a response until tomorrow. If they know anything, it seems like they are trying to help (in some way, at least). I also took a more strategic route. By signing up for the project they are running, my hope is that I can get closer to the company and, if needed, infiltrate it from the inside for lack of a better term.

I appreciate all of your help.


Myself wrote:
Bill,

I'm sure I can speak for the others when I say that, you've no need to apologize. As you said, anyone who has dealt with loss knows how difficult that can be.

Is there anything else that you could tell me about Eve that might help me in my research? I've been toiling over this photo we received for an hour or two now, trying to pick apart anything that might be even the least bit helpful. Did Eve have any close friends that possibly worked for Veil Nanoscience? Or had aspirations to work in a nano/neurotechnological field? That might explain why someone is trying to rekindle the search for her.

Please take care involving yourself with Veil - while I've yet to see anything malicious about their intent or their work, you won't be of much help to Eve if you're out of commission for 6-months during the testing phase. And while I admire your persistence as her father, I feel as though she'd be better served if you kept a safe distance from Veil Nanoscience Inc., and let those of us who wish to help you find out what we can from Veil through our dealings with them as recruits. I apologize if I stepped over the line by what I said.

Sincerely,

Damian


I might have overstepped my boundaries by advising him, but I felt it was the right thing to say at the time. Still no reply.

Now, finally, I've been messing around with the picture a little bit, trying to spot any irregularities or weird occurrences. I noted some, and while some might be irrelevant, they might point towards something relevant that I missed, and you see. I'll upload both pictures - the original, and the one with my doodles on it - just as reference.

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 		Dropped off the face of the planet for birthday stuff for the past two days, but I have a tiny bit of stuff to share.

Received a similar message from Bill saying that we have renewed his hope in the search for Eve, that he will be using the blog again, and hinting that signing up for the V.N. project is a good way to "infiltrate" them. There is nothing too interesting other than that in the emails so no point in copy/pasting. (Though I definitely can if you want me to!).

Nothing of interest probably, but Steve Marsh (works with Cory) posted on one of my FB status' : " I LOVE dancing!!!"

So clearly the next move is to get everyone signed up for Project Mnemosyne. I do agree that we should "introduce" Bill to Cory. Then neither will think we are hiding any bits of the story from them. Bill did say this in a message earlier and I think it's pretty telling...

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My daughter was seventeen when she went missing. I need some closure. I can't go on like this. Please, help me...This can't be a coincidence. You're telling me that someone hid their name inside of a package the company sent you? You have to tell me more. This is my daughter...Please.

Something has to be going on here. You help me, and I'll do my best to help you. I think our goals are one in the same.



EDIT for Korthinian:

Thermal Boners figured out what was on the yellow note pad. It was in a block of text a page or so ago. But I thought it would be good to update your enhanced version of eve.bmp.
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The column header is not Historical but Historia, everything written on the page is in spanish. They are the last three presidents of Mexico, the dates next to them indicate their inauguration, 1988-Carlos Salinas, 1994- Zedillo (Ernesto Zedillo) and 2000-Vicente Fox.



EDIT: Spoiler for possible OOG status

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Digging around the Pesidio site and found a weird file in the image directory. Not sure if it's IG or not, but it makes me wonder about the baseball stadium picture in eve.bmp.

http://www.presidioinstitute.net/images/directory.gif

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 		Sorry guys, busy weekend full of pressing and urgent activities (Booze, sleep, booze, college football, wedding, booze, sleep, booze, Browns football, booze). Haven't gotten around to checking this out. I'll catch up right now, and maybe post something else (if I have something else) but I did wanna get at Korinthian with some comments on my photo analysis that I left out the first time, in addition to what Atropanocturna was so kind to bump up for me.

The article in question which you are questioning whether or not is shooped, is not shooped.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/08/business/08auto.html?scp=1&sq=&st=nyt

As far as I can tell (I can't read the date or find anything in the WSJ archives to confirm it) but I think all of these papers are from the week of June 5th-11th, 2005. If you look to the left of the shooped date on the main paper, you can see 'Copyright 2005' and then obv. the article from the archive. Could that mean something IG? Possibly. It could also mean OOG the PM has a bunch of old newspapers in his garage and found a bag and pulled out a stack and it was from then.

The stadium picture and caption are 100% shooped. I think it's just to make the paper look more authentic, but if it's something, it could be maybe like Veil is funneling off money through the construction of the park or something, who knows. I think it's for show.

I'm still livid I can't figure out what it says under the names of the presidents. I thought maybe Miguel de la Madrid, the preceeding president of Mexico, but I'm almost positive that's not what it says.

EDIT for Atropanocturna

Atropanocturna wrote:
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Digging around the Pesidio site and found a weird file in the image directory. Not sure if it's IG or not, but it makes me wonder about the baseball stadium picture in eve.bmp.

http://www.presidioinstitute.net/images/directory.gif


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
OOTP Baseball is Out of the Park Baseball is a baseball simulation game for the computer. They don't have MLB licensing so they have a lot of stock baseball images, i.e. fake logos for teams, our example of stadium construction, etc. I don't have the game, but I have played a similar one, and I would say with 99% certainty that the image on the newspaper is from that game. As for why the entire game is in the directory, well I can't tell you that. Possibly PM computing error.


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 		Okay folks, we have progress!

I'm not going to post the IRC chat now because a lot of it has to be cut out and I'm bloody tired. But basically with a little nudge from Cory I figured out that the photo that was sent from Data Server 3:

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Needed to be destegged. After some help from liveinskin, I got my program to work and voila! There was another picture hidden in that one. (see attachment)

Cory says he's never heard of Ward Five or any of those people. But wanted me to tell as many people as I could and to let Bill know that his daughter does have something to do with Veil. I've never talked to Bill so if someone could do that who has, that would be great.

I'd start looking up these names and what does Ward Five mean to the test subjects but like I said, way too tired.


Good luck!
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Brittł wrote:
Okay folks, we have progress!

I'm not going to post the IRC chat now because a lot of it has to be cut out and I'm bloody tired. But basically with a little nudge from Cory I figured out that the photo that was sent from Data Server 3:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Needed to be destegged. After some help from liveinskin, I got my program to work and voila! There was another picture hidden in that one. (see attachment)

Cory says he's never heard of Ward Five or any of those people. But wanted me to tell as many people as I could and to let Bill know that his daughter does have something to do with Veil. I've never talked to Bill so if someone could do that who has, that would be great.

I'd start looking up these names and what does Ward Five mean to the test subjects but like I said, way too tired.


Good luck!


HOLY SHIT FUCK BALLS.

Bravo. Tonight's gonna be fun.

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