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[Trailhead] Veil Nanoscience Inc.
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nichiera
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Atropanocturna wrote:
Got this from Bill:


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Is your contact at Veil someone named "Cory Wester?"




Are we going forward with telling him? I think we should.


EDIT:
I went ahead and confirmed it for him and asked how he figured it out.


Im assuming he knows from the new email that dataserver3 sent with Cory's employee file.

I noticed on findeverandall.blogspot.com that Bill recieved his packet in the mail today and he said that it was missing a couple pages. Might mean something. He uploaded a few screen shots of the pages he got, someone who has a packet might want to compare them maybe?

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Been away all day at work - I've kept up as much as I can from my phone, but I have a few answers to give.

While I saw Bill's uploads, they weren't overly helpful in comparing what we received, to what he did. He only shows the envelope, and the black folder, and none of its contents. What is interesting is that he has an assumption as to why he received no letter from Dr. Veil himself, as we did in our packets. Questioning him now.

Emailing dataserver3 has been done numerous times, to no avail. There is never a response given.

Emailing R. Reines and S. Darling leads to Veil's Information Services replying with a terse "No such employees work here." despite the fact that the emails work - they don't bounce back. I'm assuming they're either not for current use, and will be made available at some point during this game, or the PMs made the emails, and then scratched their involvement. Either way, it's a dead end for now.

Bill would indeed have gotten the file from dataserver3, as he is now involved with Veil, and is being made out to be a player, like us.

Doing an inverse of colors on the email from Dr. Reines to Dr. Darling just reveals the blots that Britt (I think it was Britt, apologies if it was someone else) found when the contrast had been bumped up. Whether or not there's something hidden in that memo, contrast boost and inversion doesn't reveal much.

As much as I support destegging, I feel as though the PMs are advanced enough to know not to re-use a puzzle. Not that I discourage any attempts, but I'm thinking there's something else we need to be seeing.

Cory hasn't made any hint to being a subject himself - granted, if he was, I don't think Veil would want him to know, so it's a possibility, but I feel as though if they already suspect him (which they should, considering we (well, I) gave Theresa his name when we first discovered it through the packet) then they would have done something to have him taken out of the picture, or reprogrammed, so to speak.

Assuming that dataserver3 is some kind of knowledgeable beast, it's safe to assume that it knows of Cory's involvement, or knows that he's of some importance to this whole ordeal. Exploiting DS3 isn't working out so well yet. I don't think it's meant to be yet - have a feeling the PMs are using it just as a steady stream of information. I'm assuming the person behind the dataserver3 emails will be ousted at some point, but for right now, it just seems to be feeding us - an anonymous source, so to speak.

The 16.01, 4.10 numbers are definitely something of importance. As more numbers come in, they could be any number of things - conversion into letters for initials, definitely a good guess. Possibly an Arnold Cipher, if it develops further. With all the Frankenstein quotes, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Arnold Cipher of some sorts (though Arnold Ciphers usually contain IP-esque numbers (eg, xxx.xx.xxx)).

Anyone else notice the "Disappears from work from time to time" in his Management Notes in the Employee File? Might have to ask him about that.

As zygotesix mentioned, I'm pretty sure any traceback information is OOG. The PMs can't obviously fake everything to perfection.


All in all, a good bit of information has been received today. None of which has led to much, meaning we're probably missing something in terms of the greater picture. Also, since no one else seems to have mentioned being contacted by Alice, I'll quote what I got while I was at work:

Myself and Alice Silva wrote:


Alice wrote:
Damian,

It's nearly 7PM here, so I'm about to head out of the office, but I couldn't help but wonder...

Did you find anything about the man's missing daughter?


- A


Myself wrote:
Thank you so much for contacting me, Dr. Alice.

Unfortunately, we have not found much of anything yet. But something is causing me some great concern. It turns out she was part of Veil's experimental program 3 years ago - around the same time she went missing. And we've been receiving many an irregular emails from some anonymous figure from Veil, depicting Eve and other girls who'd been part of the program. The problem is, that entire program - and its staff - have since been removed, and no one from Veil will speak of it. I'm afraid I'm stuck as far as information goes.

You wouldn't happen to have any information to help me out would you? I know you're in a bad position to talk about it.


Alice wrote:
Damian,

It's getting late here on the east coast. I don't like driving at night.

I'm interested to know more about what you found out about this experiment three years ago.

- A


Myself wrote:

Yes. Its the same program that I'm being recruited for now. I'm not sure what happened, but that experiment ended with every staff member involved in it losing their job. It involved Veil's Chip-77 implant. Dr. R. Reines and S. Darling were two doctors I know of that worked on the project. I've been trying to get ahold of them, but no one at Veil has even heard of them.

The program is the same as their current one (from what I know): implantation of a memory chip which Veil can program to falsify memories learned. It ran around April 2008. The entire Research Department was let go that same year. There were I think 6 girls on a list I found who were involved. Beyond that, I know little else.


The repeat of information is me sending two emails back to back from my phone while I was working. Hard to get a moment to actually write down my thoughts, so the emails were a bit spread out. I have not received a reply from my latest email - expecting it tomorrow.

And that's all I've got for tonight. I'll check back in tomorrow.

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nichiera
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I agree with Korinthian in that I dont think the images need to be destegged at all. For one the first image we got that did need to be destegged was over 5mb because it contained another image inside it. The last few we have got have all been relatively small in size like 375-500kb so at MOST it could have a hidden text only message but its doubtful the PM would expect us to use another program to desteg these PNG images with. Just my thoughts


As far as the numbers go. I wonder if its possible they have some relation to the Frankenstein quotes we have been getting. Maybe using those numbers relates to words in that quote or in the chapters of Frankenstein, and will lead to a message or name that Dataserver3 is sending us. Both quotes so far have been from Chapter 24. The 2nd quote we got was from earlier in chapter 24 than the first one. Dont know if that has any significance but I am just trying to make some sense of all this.

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nichiera wrote:
As far as the numbers go. I wonder if its possible they have some relation to the Frankenstein quotes we have been getting. Maybe using those numbers relates to words in that quote or in the chapters of Frankenstein, and will lead to a message or name that Dataserver3 is sending us. Both quotes so far have been from Chapter 24. The 2nd quote we got was from earlier in chapter 24 than the first one. Dont know if that has any significance but I am just trying to make some sense of all this.


That's what I was referencing with the Arnold cipher - it relates to a piece of text in which numbers are used to put together sentences. But it doesn't quite fit the normal arnold cipher, the numbers we've gotten - anyone else know of a cipher similar to the one I speak of, but more fitting to the numbers we've gotten?

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I think that the Arnold cipher theory is a good one. Considering that page numbers are publisher-dependent, I would think that the first number may correspond to chapter, and the second to the word.

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16.01 would be "Cursed" and 4.10 would be "the," using Project Gutenberg's copy of Frankenstein. Doesn't make much sense to me, so unless I've missed something, perhaps this is the wrong mode of thinking.


For those who are interested, a free electronic copy of Frankenstein is available at Project Gutenburg here.

I also agree that it's unlikely that we need to desteg another image at this point. It may come up again in the future, but I think the numbers are probably more important now.
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nichiera
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I had sent an email to Theresa last night asking why I had not received my packet since I signed up last week. Here is her response:

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Theresa Markovich to me


A package was indeed sent yesterday. However, I was told that until the previous issues with the printouts are fixed, only informational brochures will be included in the materials.


So that might explain why Bill did not receive any of the printouts like some of you did.

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Arnold cipher indeed does make sense. We have a book, and a pair of numbers. I mention destegging still only because the remaining sets of numbers could be hidden within.

Still no packet as of yet, but at this point, I doubt there would be any useful information in it anyway.

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Cory just added a person to the FB group. Johnny exploits

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Normally that would not be odd, but with as little info on the page, I dunno. Perhaps it is just one of the members here made a FB page to join in the group and not use their real account... I wouldn't count it suspicious.

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MIT though? I dunno. I wouldn't rule the new guy out just yet. Hell, someone ask Cory about it?

Also, someone ask Cory why his employee file says "Goes missing from time to time". I asked last night, but never got a reply, and I feel like he's not going to reply to it today.

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The 16.01, 4.10 numbers are definitely something of importance. As more numbers come in, they could be any number of things - conversion into letters for initials, definitely a good guess. Possibly an Arnold Cipher, if it develops further. With all the Frankenstein quotes, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Arnold Cipher of some sorts (though Arnold Ciphers usually contain IP-esque numbers (eg, xxx.xx.xxx)).


Okay, so if you translate 4.10 to letters it comes out DJ which if you look at the list of test subjects, one of the girls listed is Dorothy Joyce.
With 16.01 you get PA but I haven't seen a person's name with those initials.

Very difficult to apply an Arnold cipher to it, either in Frankenstein (because everyone would need to work off the same printing if you're going by line.word.letter) or in the document itself i.e. 4.10 in Cory's employment ppwk is "granted."

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tlynne2002 wrote:
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The 16.01, 4.10 numbers are definitely something of importance. As more numbers come in, they could be any number of things - conversion into letters for initials, definitely a good guess. Possibly an Arnold Cipher, if it develops further. With all the Frankenstein quotes, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Arnold Cipher of some sorts (though Arnold Ciphers usually contain IP-esque numbers (eg, xxx.xx.xxx)).


Okay, so if you translate 4.10 to letters it comes out DJ which if you look at the list of test subjects, one of the girls listed is Dorothy Joyce.
With 16.01 you get PA but I haven't seen a person's name with those initials.

Very difficult to apply an Arnold cipher to it, either in Frankenstein (because everyone would need to work off the same printing if you're going by line.word.letter) or in the document itself i.e. 4.10 in Cory's employment ppwk is "granted."


But as ironnikki pointed out, it could be based off chapters, which are universal. Granted, it might not be Arnoldian at all, lol.

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Okay, so I tried applying a modified Arnold cypher (1st number is word, second is letter). For 16.01, the letter (depending on whether you count 002 as a word or not) is either B or F (word Been or Fantastic). For 4.10, the letter was S (last letter of Researches). If we say that "been" was the correct word, then the letters spell out BS, dunno if that's right, but it's all I've got.

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Just an idea: we've been given 7 numbers, which equates to a phone number, minus the area code. The area code for San Francisco, according to Google, is 415. A quick search on the phone numbers 415-410-1601 and 415-160-1410 didn't turn up anything interesting. I did find out that the first number is a landline, and it appears to be a private number, so I'm going to assume that this is not the right direction for now. Guess we'll have to keep looking!
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Interesting. We've moved from Frankenstein, to the Bible.

From Ecclesiastes 10:5

Dataserver3 wrote:
There is an evil I have seen under the sun, the sort of error that
arises from a ruler.


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