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Jsor
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 		So a while back I [REDACTED] a comment so I could get an honest answer from the boys (in case they read it and IG Evan came to the wrong conclusion). The idea was Everyman HYBRID has some disturbing things about the name, for one, HYBRID has always, always, always been in all-caps, like HABIT. Second is that HYBRID sounds an awful lot like, well, a hybrid, between HABIT and person. Add Everyman HYBRID to that and you get "everybody gets inHABITed." It was a bit of a crackpot theory, but I didn't know if I could get any leads with it from fishing (depending on who the name came from, it may tell us something about HABIT). Here's what Vinny said:

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The name EverymanHYBRID came from Jeff originally. Evan and I put together most of the work-out tips. I did logo and Evan put together all the recipes (most of which we never got to show). /end hybrid trivia

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 		Jsor, I've been pretty suspicious of the name since we heard about Nick's conception. The Candleverse/Iteration thing only strengthens those suspicions. Personally I think the name wasn't as random as they think, and I think Corenthal knows/knew something key about the origins of the crew. I hadn't made the all caps connection to HABIT, though (d'oh!).

One idea I've been playing with for awhile is that the guys are like demigods, hybrids between humanity and the superhuman. Slenderman, maybe HABIT, and maybe Dr. C (see below) would be 'god' figures in this theory. I don't think the guys are literally connected to any specific god figure--for example, I don't think Vince is Slendy's demigod kid. Rather, they have elements of both the superhuman nature those god figures share and human nature.

I don't know a lot about Greek mythology, but the following comes from Wikipedia's entry for Demigod:
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Thus the heroes have liminal qualities that enable them to have great strength, to cross the threshold between the worlds of the living and the dead yet return safely, and to mediate long after their death between human and divine [...] These hybrids were stronger, braver, and quicker than other mortals, accomplishing super-human feats only possible because of their divine parent. They would go out of their way to prove their valor, often engaging monsters or beasts far too powerful for any normal human to defeat...

Parts of that remind me of the Candleverse guys, and other parts sound more like HABIT's various shells, like the one in the last CYSTW entry. Maybe HABIT is the demigod figure, trying to make his own demi-demigods through possession and, in at least one case (Nick's) through physical creation. Still trying to work out how another pet theory of mine fits in: that Evan was also a rape experiment.

Interesting side note: The same wiki entry specifically mentions the Minotaur . Considering the abundance of House of Leaves references, I wouldn't be too shocked if the OOG crew incorporated some ideas from Greek mythology into the EMH mythos.

As for Dr. C, I'm still leaning toward the idea that he's more than just a regular ol' human. I've come up with 3 possibilities: (1) He's a hybrid in the Candleverse cycle like the EMH guys and Steph. He's got a Candleverse self and he reincarnates into humanity like they do. (2) He's always been something 'other', another god figure, but came into the world as a human for the MT4 cycle. Kind of a Jesus thing going on. If he really did commit suicide, he's back in his god form in the Candleverse and can come in and out if he chooses, like Slenderman. (3) He was once human, but through exposure to Slenderman, HABIT, and the guys, became something more. Either a demigod or a god figure.

Anyway. Just throwing ideas out.
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tijde wrote:
A lot of stuff


I don't know why, but the thought of EMH having Greek roots just doesn't appeal to me. The idea just seems off. Not saying it doesn't make sense, just that I can't see it.

I don't think the EMH kids are demigods, but maybe they have properties similar to Slenderman. Slendy can be in many places at once, break natural laws, bend the space/time continuum, etc. Maybe the candleverse iterations have some of those powers (most notably the ability to place themselves in more than one place at once [the candleverse and the EMH universe]), and are playing a game. Each iteration of the crew could have a goal: kill/stop Slenderman, and the candleverse guys have to "play" with that goal in mind.

Granted, this would make Jeff, Evan, Vince & Co. little more than pawns, but that what they've been anyway. This just adds another layer to the screwiness.

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tijde wrote:
Jsor, I've been pretty suspicious of the name since we heard about Nick's conception. The Candleverse/Iteration thing only strengthens those suspicions. Personally I think the name wasn't as random as they think, and I think Corenthal knows/knew something key about the origins of the crew. I hadn't made the all caps connection to HABIT, though (d'oh!).

One idea I've been playing with for awhile is that the guys are like demigods, hybrids between humanity and the superhuman. Slenderman, maybe HABIT, and maybe Dr. C (see below) would be 'god' figures in this theory. I don't think the guys are literally connected to any specific god figure--for example, I don't think Vince is Slendy's demigod kid. Rather, they have elements of both the superhuman nature those god figures share and human nature.

I don't know a lot about Greek mythology, but the following comes from Wikipedia's entry for Demigod:
Quote:
Thus the heroes have liminal qualities that enable them to have great strength, to cross the threshold between the worlds of the living and the dead yet return safely, and to mediate long after their death between human and divine [...] These hybrids were stronger, braver, and quicker than other mortals, accomplishing super-human feats only possible because of their divine parent. They would go out of their way to prove their valor, often engaging monsters or beasts far too powerful for any normal human to defeat...

Parts of that remind me of the Candleverse guys, and other parts sound more like HABIT's various shells, like the one in the last CYSTW entry. Maybe HABIT is the demigod figure, trying to make his own demi-demigods through possession and, in at least one case (Nick's) through physical creation. Still trying to work out how another pet theory of mine fits in: that Evan was also a rape experiment.

Interesting side note: The same wiki entry specifically mentions the Minotaur . Considering the abundance of House of Leaves references, I wouldn't be too shocked if the OOG crew incorporated some ideas from Greek mythology into the EMH mythos.

As for Dr. C, I'm still leaning toward the idea that he's more than just a regular ol' human. I've come up with 3 possibilities: (1) He's a hybrid in the Candleverse cycle like the EMH guys and Steph. He's got a Candleverse self and he reincarnates into humanity like they do. (2) He's always been something 'other', another god figure, but came into the world as a human for the MT4 cycle. Kind of a Jesus thing going on. If he really did commit suicide, he's back in his god form in the Candleverse and can come in and out if he chooses, like Slenderman. (3) He was once human, but through exposure to Slenderman, HABIT, and the guys, became something more. Either a demigod or a god figure.

Anyway. Just throwing ideas out.


I agree with MesserTod, I don't think that they'll be dipping into Greek mythology.

That doesn't preclude other kinds of mythology, however.

Damn, but I have got to buy a copy of House of Leaves, and maybe Pale Fire. If we can find any answers, I think it'll be in those books.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Minotaur or something similar to it made an appearance.
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 		Here are both videos played next to each other.

http://youtubedoubler.com/1MJg (Meeting at the train station)
Time codes:
EMH vid: 177
TT vid: 339

http://youtubedoubler.com/1MuR (Talking at the table)
Time codes:
EMH vid: 244
TT vid: 719

The video tears sync up exactly with both videos at the train station, awesome and well played. Sorry about the slight echo.
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Sebastrios wrote:
Here are both videos played next to each other.

http://youtubedoubler.com/1MJg (Meeting at the train station)
Time codes:
EMH vid: 177
TT vid: 339

http://youtubedoubler.com/1MuR (Talking at the table)
Time codes:
EMH vid: 244
TT vid: 719

The video tears sync up exactly with both videos at the train station, awesome and well played. Sorry about the slight echo.


Awesome! Thank you!

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 		Perhaps I phrased that part poorly. I don't particularly mean they'll be adopting Greek mythology, per se, any more than HoL did. I just meant maybe they're using some of the general concepts, like the hybrid idea we're discussing, within their own mythology. More along the lines of an influence. I've seen similar theories put forth about video games.       

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the comments and you understand, but disagree. Smile
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tijde wrote:
Perhaps I phrased that part poorly. I don't particularly mean they'll be adopting Greek mythology, per se, any more than HoL did. I just meant maybe they're using some of the general concepts, like the hybrid idea we're discussing, within their own mythology. More along the lines of an influence. I've seen similar theories put forth about video games.       

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the comments and you understand, but disagree. Smile


Eh, I don't know anymore. Greek mythology is pretty deeply entrenched in our culture, but they weren't the first to put forward the idea of hybrid humans. The idea of something that is more than human, but less than god is prevalent in many pre-Greek mythologies/religions.

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Luipaard wrote:
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Minotaur or something similar to it made an appearance.


I don't think I understand exactly what you're talking about here. I think you might be referring to House of Leaves, but I haven't gotten around to reading it (gotta finish Lovecraft and The Inferno first, anyway).

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 		Has anyone read House of Leaves, in all fullness? Every page there is?
I know some people are in the process of reading it, but aren't actually done.
I was originally going to read it, but then I saw it at the store and realized it was three inches thick and had the tiniest print you've ever seen. Which is large, even for me. But I probably could read it in a week or two if I really wanted, so if no one is reading it or has gotten around to it, I'll pick it up.

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 		I have a copy and read it about 6 months ago. I'm not sure I'm capable of reading only parts of a novel, so yes, I read every word, plus whatever I could find about it online. Haven't yet gotten the accompanying Poe album, nor have I read any other Danielewski or Pale Fire. I plan to reread HoL this month, once I finish October's selections for my various book clubs. I'll probably get the Poe album and listen while I read as well, if I can download it via iTunes or wherever.

That said, there's a lot to that book. It would be ideal to have at least several perspectives on it. In my experience, it doesn't lend itself to easy explanations; like an ARG, you kind of need to experience it yourself. It takes more work to read than your typical novel. The story scared me like few others have, so I got immersed quickly and didn't notice the extra effort after a few chapters. Not everyone will feel that way, of course, but I highly recommend at least giving it a shot. If money's an issue, many libraries should have it. Mine has several copies, and I'm in a little podunk ag community.
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 		I know Jeff is a big Nabokov (guy who wrote Pale Fire) fan...I started reading Lolita recently but I haven't noticed any parallels yet.

No way am I going to read Ayn Rand, though. I just...I just would rather not.

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sje46 wrote:
I know Jeff is a big Nabokov (guy who wrote Pale Fire) fan...I started reading Lolita recently but I haven't noticed any parallels yet.

No way am I going to read Ayn Rand, though. I just...I just would rather not.


As someone who has read Rand, I can assure you that her themes have not popped up in any significant way in the series, and that I doubt she'll be that useful. And that unless you are just desperate to read up on capitalist economic theory, she's not really worth it. Ayn Rand was many things, but a good novelist was not one of them.
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 		Yeah, I have yet to see much Rand in here.
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 		I guess I'll pick up HoL either this weekend or the next. I'm not sure how long it will take me to finish, but I doubt more than a month. (So long as it doesn't start causing me nightmares every time I sleep.) I'll post here when I finish and then we can collaborate on what resembles HoL from EH.

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 		I read House of Leaves a few years back and really enjoyed it. As tijde said, there is a lot to it and it's an experience in and of itself. I wish I had read it more recently so it would be fresher in my mind. Maybe I'll make a point to reread it with EMH in mind. Anyway, I hope you enjoy it, ObscureReference!

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