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SoItBegins
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 		I still got nothing. I've got the phrase, tried googling it... nothing.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:52 am
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Bestable
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 		I think we should be able to rate each puzzle, especially the guest one.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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SoItBegins wrote:
I still got nothing. I've got the phrase, tried googling it... nothing.

The one part of the flavortext that I feel could have helped was not intuitive, at all. All I can offer for help is that...
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Initially, you should start with the title.

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Ace
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 		So, basically, we're required to be fluent in another language to solve this puzzle, as well as be familiar with an obscure set of writing genre, and have a graphics program that can manipulate the original image to make writing legible. Even Batman would kick this one in the head and tie it up on a light post without thinking twice. I'll admit I've not been doing this long, but last weeks puzzle was just wrong, and now this week is a guessing game. Only one of three puzzles was a puzzle, the rest were hogwash.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:16 am
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Gramps
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 		This one wasn't too bad, there was some ambiguity in the second phase
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the clue is more idiomatic to the solution than I would expect
& search engine disambiguation could have been better
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(didn't get the proper title for the first painting until I saw the solution)


Having an older (more classical) education probably helps -- both in spotting what to do and determining the final answer
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which I think of as having been imported into English via crime dramas



As far as rating the puzzles, it would seem a good way to get useful feedback.
Some have been very very good and others much less so. Some variation is to be expected, but if there was a way to find not just which ones were best liked but why it could serve as a guide to improving the 'product'.

The greatest problem being that it is difficult to discuss what one thinks worked and didn't work without revealing the mechanics of the solution.


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Gramps
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 		Sorry for the double this got chopped from my 1st post some how...

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Gramps
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 		Sorry for the double this got chopped from my 1st post some how...

My bad with the less than signs apparently Embarassed
Mods feel free to concatinate

@Ace who posted as I wrote:
Hardly fluent, you just need to be familiar with a foreign phrase that's pretty commonly known in English even outside of
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law.

No graphic program necessary just a 1024x768 screen (haven't tried this at 800x600) but the font looks like it should be OK.
You're right that last week's ("GeoCaching")should have been caught by the QA department, but have a gander at the archives -- most of them are pretty good. ("Difference", "Birds, Bees, and Strange Amalgams" & "An Attempt to document My Brain III" excepted, though much of the problem with these was ambiguity rather than actual errors.)

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caf
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 		I groaned when I saw non-English, too. But it's "non-English" in the sense that Rondezvous is non-English - it's used all the time by normal English speakers. Think cop shows or old detective movies. Pretty sure it's used on Law and Order or Castle although

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usually when it's used today people just use the acronym of the phrase.


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SoItBegins
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 		Hmm. The only piece that seems semi-appropriate is "habeas corpus", and that's not it. Hmm.

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scooter22
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 		Thanks for the genre hints. Guessed and got it knowing it was a
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two-word phrase
. But geez... I could print the solution given and it still wouldn't help most of us (solving the riddle). The "title" hint is completely random. In fact, the solution just points out the "random" hint without linking that the random hint is also a commonly used *shortcut* for this "famous non-English phrase".

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MelissaJames
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scooter22 wrote:
Thanks for the genre hints. Guessed and got it knowing it was a
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two-word phrase
. But geez... I could print the solution given and it still wouldn't help most of us (solving the riddle). The "title" hint is completely random. In fact, the solution just points out the "random" hint without linking that the random hint is also a commonly used *shortcut* for this "famous non-English phrase".


So it is the phrase actual Latin or religious Latin? Those are two very different languages at this point. And any hints as to what it is. I only took a year of Latin, and it's not anything I'm putting in. I'm wondering if it was misspelled at some point, or my text books have a different/more obscure spelling or phrasing.

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The Baffled King
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 		It's not necessary to be "fluent" in any other language; you don't really have to know the other language at all.

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The phrase is classical Latin, but don't get all involved in that. As someone else said, it's a Latin phrase that has become a part of English -- like 'habeas corpus', that was a good example.


I actually thought this was an excellent puzzle. I think it's awfully petty to complain about the technology necessary to solve, when the technology was: being able to open a pdf! Yeesh.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:48 am
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homerow
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The Baffled King wrote:
I think it's awfully petty to complain about the technology necessary to solve, when the technology was: being able to open a pdf! Yeesh.


Agreed. It wasn't even necessary to open the PDF.

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Google's query spelling corrector works in Image Search, too.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:44 am
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Jynxer
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 		This had me going until I
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looked closely at the titles of the artwork on TMT, and compared those with the actual spellings. That gave me the clue that everyone is already talking about; which I kept interpreting as 'by the book' (which is wrong!) Think of that clue from the thieves point of view, the way they work. Then consider it from a detectives point of view


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Noanymous
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 		I agree that the first part of the puzzle was super-trivial. I don't get why people googled the paintings while everything was available in the file linked in the puzzle description.

As for the "guessing game" - i'm still "thinking". And being foreigner, i'm not sure i know this
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"latin crime stories related phrase that is widely used in English"
as some said above. Evil or Very Mad

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