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[VIDEO] Entry #50
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The book is either Chekov's Gun or Cow Tools, leaning toward the latter.

The tape is majorly important and will answer some lingering question.

Alex wanting to stay in the woods was one of the creepiest things I've heard and seen from this series. It could not have been creepier unless Alex said it while staring into the distance and without moving.
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Long time lurker (since Entry #40), first time poster. First of all, I liked seeing how both Jay and Alex were getting smarter about their situation, with Jay taking a knife and several extra tapes and Alex putting his keys in his pocket when Jay was behind him. Also, Jay was getting better at stealthy, successfully stealing the tape this time. Hopefully 51 will be soon.

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Since there weren't any stand out items, I really think the object Troy and Joseph were waiting for will be in 51. They probably needed it before releasing 50 so that they could release 51 shortly after.


I feel like the season is wrapping up, but there are still several things that I think need to happen before that:
1. The lead up/continuation of Entry #29
2. Jay and Jessica ending up at the hotel
3. Some present day event that causes the break between season 2 and season 3

OOG:
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We know from Troy's blog there are still several things yet to happen. He said they already have the season 2 finale (http://jtroyw.blogspot.com/2011/08/sorry-about-radio-silence-this-week.html), and there's also the third entry they filmed back in August (http://jtroyw.blogspot.com/2011/08/something-body-does-when-you-shake-it.html) which likely has Jessica in it.


One last thing. When Jay turned around after hearing footsteps, I thought I saw someone in a tan jacket (either Timasky or Hoody) farther back in the trees. I can't get a screencap, but it was 3:49-3:51. Might be just seeing things but whatever.

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A, what does Cow Tools mean, Xicon?

B, I think the book has no significance, it's obviously a real book, and they've mentioned before they don't want to show brand names or anything copyrighted.

C, The book is not what they fucking ordered, god damn, it's been seen before

D, I was really hoping Tim stopped to do something with Jay, and then nothing happened.

E, Tim is totally teleporting, or he's got a Back to the Future hoverboard.

F, I hope we get something new soon. SOON.

G, What was the metal thing on Alex's seat? It looked like an older flash-bulb camera, but I can't get a good look.

H, JESUS CHRIST JAY, TAKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A GOD DAMN TAPE. THERE ARE DRAWINGS, THERE'S PROBABLY SHIT ON HIS COMPUTER, AND THERE ARE OTHER ROOMS TO LOOK THROUGH. WHAT THE FUCK
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Randoman96 wrote:
A, what does Cow Tools mean, Xicon?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CowTools
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G, What was the metal thing on Alex's seat? It looked like an older flash-bulb camera, but I can't get a good look.

It definitely looks like a camera. Think it might be the chest cam?
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H, JESUS CHRIST JAY, TAKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A GOD DAMN TAPE. THERE ARE DRAWINGS, THERE'S PROBABLY SHIT ON HIS COMPUTER, AND THERE ARE OTHER ROOMS TO LOOK THROUGH. WHAT THE FUCK

He probably didn't want a repeat of 46, even though Alex drove away.

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We should be careful about drawing conclusions based on Tim's limp. As someone who lives with one, I can attest that limps, even bad ones, can come and go. I walk with a pretty pronounced limp (alá Tim in Extraction) on bad days, but I can book it without one if I need to. The adrenaline overrides the pain. I can't do it for long and I'll pay for it later, but it's possible. Healing isn't as cut-and-dried as people seem to be thinking; with a nasty bone break, scar tissue would likely be a bitch, and that kind of pain wavers a lot. 

This might be getting a little meta, but if Tim always limps like he does in Extraction, he'd probably regularly use a pimp cane. Maybe that's an OOG oversight, but the lack of one makes me think Tim's limp comes and goes, or at least wavers in its severity. Though how awesome would it be to see Masky with a pimp cane during tta [ok, ok, or Masky Coalition] meetings?!     

So many refs to tta vids in Alex's apartment and his drawings. Is it possible that the tta videos are meant to trigger something in Alex? Or is it the opposite--Alex incorporates parts of tta clips into his drawings, as a way to connect to tta somehow? Point The Operator in their direction, or tune into their plans or location or something?   

Why didn't Alex hide the tape better, considering Jay had already stolen it once, and the key went missing? My guess is it's further evidence that Alex wasn't thinking straight. He should have seen Jay steal the key, after all, but it seems like he *doesn't* really know Jay took it. Maybe he was under The Operator's influence at the end of the apartment theft. I'm still convinced that Alex mistook Bruce for someone else, despite the fact that Alex saw Bruce clearly before the attack. I think Alex's Operator trances (for lack of a better term) mess with sensory input and logical thought. 

I'm also puzzled about Alex's motives here. A few possibilities:
- Alex didn't intend to hurt Jay himself. He was luring Jay out then sending him back alone, hoping the Maskies would attack Jay and get him out of Alex's hair. Alex knows the Maskies are aggressive toward himself; maybe he assumes they feel the same about Jay. It's pretty apparent by now that they don't. 
- Alex was asking about Jess. Maybe he intended to take Jay out of the picture, via rocksmash or memory wipeage, but something changes his mind. Jay gives Alex a reason to suspect that Jessica knows too much too, thus Alex delays his plans till they're both in Rosswood.
- Alex was attempting to lure the Maskies to himself

One last (spec) thought: There are at least two masked characters--TiMasky & Hoody. What if Tim was drawing Jay away from Alex, so that Hoody could ambush Alex?!
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Inb4 tape is of a 10 year old Alex trying to do the Macarena. With TO suddenly appearing in the background, of course.

On a more serious note, I kind of got a feeling that Jay knew he was going to lose his memory at this point. The way he showed the label on the tape to the camera made it seem he was showing it more to future present Jay than to present past Jay. After all, how hard would it have been to just head back to the hotel/apartment/wherever he was staying at the time and watch the tape immediately? This was before he had a shitload of tapes, so it's not like there was a great risk of losing it.

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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Inb4 tape is of a 10 year old Alex trying to do the Macarena. With TO suddenly appearing in the background, of course.

On a more serious note, I kind of got a feeling that Jay knew he was going to lose his memory at this point. The way he showed the label on the tape to the camera made it seem he was showing it more to future present Jay than to present past Jay. After all, how hard would it have been to just head back to the hotel/appartment/wherever he was staying at the time and watch the tape immediately? This was before he had a shitload of tapes, so it's not like there was a great risk of losing it.


Hmm. Interesting. I wonder if there is something seven-month Jay is not telling us, and present Jay is not aware? Or perhaps seven-month Jay has been up to other things, but present Jay is hiding them?
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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Inb4 tape is of a 10 year old Alex trying to do the Macarena. With TO suddenly appearing in the background, of course.

On a more serious note, I kind of got a feeling that Jay knew he was going to lose his memory at this point. The way he showed the label on the tape to the camera made it seem he was showing it more to future present Jay than to present past Jay. After all, how hard would it have been to just head back to the hotel/apartment/wherever he was staying at the time and watch the tape immediately? This was before he had a shitload of tapes, so it's not like there was a great risk of losing it.

I figured Jay labeled it so he could claim it was one of his own, should Alex ever see it in Jay's possession.

I watched the entry again, with an eye/ear on distortion.  

3:12-14ish - Is there a silhouette in the background behind Alex? Probably just shadows, but I'm stuck on my phone and can't check. 

After the cut at 4:02 - The trail & trees here remind me of the beginning of #29, the running portion.  

After the tape change - Why does the distortion amp up here? Alex doesn't seem to be physically closer to Jay than he was earlier. (Unless Jay had the camera zoomed during their hike?) Are Alex's emotions amped up, despite his calm exterior?    

Bug noise dies/distorts twice- First around 6:15, when Jay hears something snap, and second around 6:40, when the camera pans over Masky. The noise actually changes before Jay realizes the camera caught Masky, and continues to change as Jay pans back over to him.the regular bug noise picks back up during the chase. 

7:15 - Weird buzz is reminiscent of the hole in the woods, near the Red Tower. 

7:54ish - As Jay picks up the cam, after tripping, there's a bright line that flashes several times at different angles, across the mouth of the tunnel. Is this visual distortion? Weeds?
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prob posted already but jay looking at the knife in the beginning is symbolic

he brought the knife with him into the house in entry... 18? and then tim takes it off of him

moves miles away from his house

tim stabs alex with the knife in entry 35

jay looking at the knife he's probably thinking "i have a stalker who traveled all this way to stalk me some more"

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also what jay labled the tape as has to be significant in some way, we're not looking into that enough

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I read up to page 11 and didn't see anything on this...

Alex is wearing glasses in Entry #50, Alex isn't wearing glasses in Entry #38.
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It's pretty clear that this is supposed to be a continuation on 38, so I'm going to chalk it up to production error.


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ermac26 wrote:
I read up to page 11 and didn't see anything on this...

Alex is wearing glasses in Entry #50, Alex isn't wearing glasses in Entry #38.
What's even more interesting about that is that Alex is wearing glasses in the parking lot, as well as when they are walking into the forest.

The camera cuts after that though, and them shows them farther into the forest, obviously implying that between camera cuts they did a great deal of walking.

So what's the problem? After the camera cut, Alex isn't wearing glasses anymore.

I reeally want to know what happens between the cut. Because I highly doubt it's a production error.

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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On a more serious note, I kind of got a feeling that Jay knew he was going to lose his memory at this point. The way he showed the label on the tape to the camera made it seem he was showing it more to future present Jay than to present past Jay.


Actually I see this as Past!Jay starting to get a little into constructive paranoia. Before going into Rosswood, he called Jessica. I doubt this is because he thinks he has more information to offer, Jay's covering his ass in case he disappears. He's definitely suspicious about Alex and wants some insurance should something go wrong. Same with the tape. He's marking it and noting it in case someone else is looking at the tapes. Hell, if we subscribe to the Jay-is-unconsciously-part-of-TTA theory, he could be leaving the clue for the other Maskies.

As for the rest of the entry, I think this was a great subversion of what we were all expecting. Entry 49 -> UF: OMG Entry38 is next and Jay/Alex/Tim/Brian/Dr Scott/Janet/Rocky!/Brad!/Asshole! gets rocksmashed. Then it becomes all:

ALEX: mah creepy, let me show you it
JAY: Okay, lemme change this tape
ALEX: LOOOOOOM
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JAY: Okay done. It's Dark. Can we go home now?
ALEX: Yes.

UF: ........AND?!!!

I'm gonna agree with some of the good points here: Timasky outruns Jay on a bum leg. Bit odd that, but I don't necessarily jump to conclusions. I find it MORE interesting that we had that distinct lighting change from near dark to fairly bright near the tunnel.

Also, whomever noted that Timasky was following Jay and not Alex makes a good point.

As for the book - I'm starting to be pulled away a bit from the Cow Tools theory, if only because we've seen it twice. I don't think the book's subject is all that important, but there might be something hidden in it (a paper or a letter or something) that might be important later on.

(As an aside, I have a feeling that the book itself is a textbook from their college classes, possibly an earlier edition than the one which is showing up on Amazon. Actually I just looked for the editions down to 3rd and the picture doesn't match any of them)

So yeah, outside of that, nothing else.
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Not sure if this possibility has been mentioned yet, but...

Anyone else think that perhaps the 12 minutes of blank video was a result of Tim/Mask leading Jay somewhere to talk to him? 12 minutes seems long enough for a conversation and Jay's exasperation when the video returns could be interpreted as just having learned something heavy(Like Alex killing a guy perhaps?).

Just a thought.

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