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[VIDEO] Entry #50
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Blank_Zero
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CupcakeOverlord wrote:
Okay okay, so all sex jokes aside, this was an anticlimactic but useful entry. After reading through all 25 pages or so of this, I'm not so sure that Alex is still inherently good. He just seems darker as a whole to me.

The fact that he asked Jay if he "had SUCCESSFULLY stolen something" or not makes me feel like (if he isn't trying to help Jay out) he really is not giving Jay any credit at all. Like, he feels like "Oh, I've caught that jerk snooping around too often, I know I'll catch him again and I'll corner him again."

Their relationship as a whole throughout this part of the story is just so... weird to me. I mean, they're constantly fighting with each other. When they're not fighting, they're silent. So why are they still around each other? Is it a matter of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" Or are they actually trying to help each other but disguising that help for the sake of them being watched? If it is the latter, they sure are doing a good job fooling people. Seeing them together just makes me uneasy anymore.

Also, if I were Jay, I'd grab Alex by the face and shout at him 'ANSWER MY QUESTIONS YOU IGNORANT [expletive]. YOU EXPECT ALL KINDS OF ANSWERS FROM ME, SO I EXPECT SOME FROM YOU TOO." It's called balls, Jay, balls! Assert yourself, dammit! [/vent]

Not so much a helpful post here, just some thoughts I've had after watching the video and reading through all of this. Hopefully someone can read through this and get their gears moving (or maybe point something out to me that I've missed). I feel like a lot of what can be said has already been said.



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 		Some ideas/questions I read, liked, and will repost:

kori wrote:
May be watching this tape leads to memory wiping? This is why J doesn't post #51 yet Smile


Not exactly what I think is true, but it tickles the mind.

Tekyro wrote:

EDIT: It was Entry 45. Also, when Timsky tries to choke Alex, it makes me wonder if there's any significance to that.


I strongly believe there is a lot of significance to this. I feel stupid for not making this connection on my own.

Blank_Zero wrote:
I think Alex still is trying to help Jay in whatever ways he can, BUT he has to make it seem like he's not, just in case TO or the Maskies are listening. He almost sounds like he's distancing himself intentionally again.


I want to believe this. A lot. Not sure if it will turn out this way.
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punxtr wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
I think Alex still is trying to help Jay in whatever ways he can, BUT he has to make it seem like he's not, just in case TO or the Maskies are listening. He almost sounds like he's distancing himself intentionally again.


I want to believe this. A lot. Not sure if it will turn out this way.


Me too. I really hope Alex still comes out a hero-type. Even if he becomes the Dark Horse, like Harvey Dent in Batman.

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CupcakeOverlord wrote:
Has anyone thought of messaging Jay on Twitter and asking him if he's found the tape yet? I mean, it has been a couple days, just for realism's sake. Granted, I'm not one to try and rush art, but this would at least give us an idea of when the next entry will be here.

The anti-climactic nature of these past few videos has just been building my excitement up more and more, and this didn't help. I feel like I'm gonna burst.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
No sexual reference intended


I messaged Jay about the tape, no response yet though.
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 		A "Lion Witch & Wardrobe" Moment
Forgive the memory-quotes, but didn't

Quote:
ALEX KRALIE: OK, but next time bring Jessica with you.


Remind you of...

Quote:
WHITE WITCH: Edmund, when you return to Narnia, you must bring your dear brother and sisters! I'm dying to meet them and enslave them.

?

That "return home" is certainly very important, and new. Since Alex is at home already (straight from Entry #1) then maybe we have a new plot thingy: Slendy needs souls to get back to Gallifrey and spawn the Silence, maybe. . .
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Blank_Zero wrote:
punxtr wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
I think Alex still is trying to help Jay in whatever ways he can, BUT he has to make it seem like he's not, just in case TO or the Maskies are listening. He almost sounds like he's distancing himself intentionally again.


I want to believe this. A lot. Not sure if it will turn out this way.


Me too. I really hope Alex still comes out a hero-type. Even if he becomes the Dark Horse, like Harvey Dent in Batman.


Next TTA video, Jay holding Tim against a toilet yelling "WHERE'S 56-42?!?"

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icy780 wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
punxtr wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
I think Alex still is trying to help Jay in whatever ways he can, BUT he has to make it seem like he's not, just in case TO or the Maskies are listening. He almost sounds like he's distancing himself intentionally again.


I want to believe this. A lot. Not sure if it will turn out this way.


Me too. I really hope Alex still comes out a hero-type. Even if he becomes the Dark Horse, like Harvey Dent in Batman.


Next TTA video, Jay holding Tim against a toilet yelling "WHERE'S 56-42?!?"


God I'd love that.

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 		Hypnotist talk
Or Jedi?
This is one more example where Jay's question is answered by Alex with
Quote:
"you don't need to worry about that."

I almost expected him to wave his hand slightly and hold Jay's gaze as he said this, like Alec Guinness in Star Wars.
Quote:
These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along, move along.

It's like the way a hypnotist or a Jedi talks to a subject. Could Alex have hypnotized Jay before and shuts him down on some topics in this way?
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SaferSaturnX wrote:


Note: My fiance and I were just discussing what I had written, and she came up with a really interesting theory. Maybe Alex is TTA, but only when being possessed by Slendy?


I really like that idea; we have been talking already about a sort of divided personality with normal Alex and Slenderized Alex and that goes right along with it!
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 		I think that Alex o Jay are reeding all in this board

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 		i still think in entry 43 when alex drops to the ground you can hear a girl talking to him for a second when the audio gets quieter

people say it's just big op making noise but he has never made a noise like that before

reminds me of that theory that amy turned into TO or something and that one person can become TO at a time (explains why brian was missing, maybe he was TO looking into alex's house to try to find him for help, also explains why alex never helped TO before amy went missing, maybe he found out it was her and thats why he walked into her)

while i don't agree with the theory, it is cool to think about. but yeah, entry 43, deff a girls voice muffled in the period where alex drops

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 		This may have already been brought up, so apologies in advance. This entry made me realize that Jay didn't post during the seven month break because most of his footage was him following Alex, and Alex would find out if Jay was posting those entries. When Jay wasn't documenting Alex's movements (in the first few months), he was still under Alex's instruction to not post any entries.

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redherring wrote:
Radiolab Hope wrote:
Judging by his wheels, he is the dealer.




...did I just solve the entire series?


The Operator was once a tall man with a cocaine addiction. His dealer gave him what he thought was really great Russian coke, but it turns out it was radioactive ash from Chernobyl. The radiation severely deformed his face, and caused his body to emit large amounts of electromagnetism and radiation. He's pale because he hid away for so long in a state of madness. The business suit is the last thing he wore before the incident.

Tim dabbles in a variety of experimental drugs - his pills are actually laced with LSD. Him and his friends wear masks and cause trouble when they're tripping (A Clockwork Orange, anyone?). Then they met Big Slim in the woods, and he started following them. He liked Alex's house a lot. Alex was getting stressed out, so Tim shared some of his stash, and Alex grew more and more paranoid.

Jay doesn't handle his trips very well ('Return' video? Seven month long blackout?).

Clearly the entire series is a PSA for not doing drugs. Razz (Whoever mentioned that in this thread or whatever thread that was mentioned in, please give yourself credit - I honestly don't remember who posted that or when, haha.)


Well I have the single thing that can debunk your entire PSA theory. Slenderman is a victim of Helvetica, a dangerous side-effect reaction of calcium.

Proof: 8:41 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2k9JwGpm1w

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 		This could be completely off, but is there a mask underneath the blankets that Jay looks under in Alex's apartment?

It's hard to get a good screengrab, but check at 12:19.



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MesserTod (pg.17) wrote:
Tim can run awfully fast on a bum leg, but then again, by this point he's had some practice moving on it.


Not sure why it took this wording, but we know Tim used to take pills. It's probably nothing, but maybe he still does. Maybe they were just over-the-counter painkillers or something for headaches. Maybe it's when he's hopped up on Alieve or Tylenol or something that his leg doesn't bother him so much and he runs faster as a gimp than Jay does as a fail-Ninja.

Boreamor (pg.16) wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
1: Chekovs gun. This the second time we've seen that eerie book.
2: Alex knew that Jay stole his front door key. So why would he tell Jay what it opened? He clearly wanted Jay to find that tape.


... Why not combine the two?

It just occurred to me that I never voiced this, but back when the book first appeared I couldn't help but think that they didn't look like Slendy on the cover, to me. If anything, it looked more like a judicial hearing from YEARS ago, circa Salem Witch Trials time period. (I fail at history and time periods...) And I wonder if maybe that book has the story of Slendy's origin, though not advertised as such - the story that Alex started to tell Jay back in Entry 38.

... On that note, the tree that Alex stops in front of around 2:00 in entry 38 branches off, splits in two right there... There seems to be a good amount of duality in this series. But. That's a bit of a tangent.

What brought me to this is, maybe the Chekov's Gun "Listen" book was left out on purpose. Maybe Alex wanted Jay to take THAT. Maybe he wants Jay to see the story... And even if that's not what's in the book, it could still have been left for Jay to find.

Hell, I've also been playing with the idea that this is a high school yearbook, and maybe there's something alarming in Jay, Alex, Tim, Brian, whoever's photo. Maybe Jay's picture is listed under Alex Kralie and Alex doesn't actually exist at all! Laughing It could certainly explain why this "Listen" book isn't coming up under book searches. (I scanned through Amazon, and somebody, I forget who, looked through the Library Thing... btw, thank you for showing me that website, it's amazing!) And, thanks to Owlish (pg.20) for finding that artwork!

tijde (pg.18 ) wrote:
We should be careful about drawing conclusions based on Tim's limp. As someone who lives with one, I can attest that limps, even bad ones, can come and go. I walk with a pretty pronounced limp (alá Tim in Extraction) on bad days, but I can book it without one if I need to. The adrenaline overrides the pain. I can't do it for long and I'll pay for it later, but it's possible. Healing isn't as cut-and-dried as people seem to be thinking; with a nasty bone break, scar tissue would likely be a bitch, and that kind of pain wavers a lot. 

...

I'm also puzzled about Alex's motives here. A few possibilities:
- Alex didn't intend to hurt Jay himself. He was luring Jay out then sending him back alone, hoping the Maskies would attack Jay and get him out of Alex's hair. Alex knows the Maskies are aggressive toward himself; maybe he assumes they feel the same about Jay. It's pretty apparent by now that they don't. 
- Alex was asking about Jess. Maybe he intended to take Jay out of the picture, via rocksmash or memory wipeage, but something changes his mind. Jay gives Alex a reason to suspect that Jessica knows too much too, thus Alex delays his plans till they're both in Rosswood.
- Alex was attempting to lure the Maskies to himself

One last (spec) thought: There are at least two masked characters--TiMasky & Hoody. What if Tim was drawing Jay away from Alex, so that Hoody could ambush Alex?!


Thanks for the commentary on Tim's limp and subsequent lack thereof. I really wasn't making a big deal out of it 'cause there could be any number of reasons for this (see: wild conjecture above).

Regarding Alex/Tim's behavior, here... basically, this. This is why I've been reading/skimming the past 16 pages. (Read up through 10 for theories, read the next 26 to see if it's been covered.) This was the only thing that touched on it, as far as I saw.

I figure there's two options, in regards to the inclusion of Tim. The first option: Alex was hoping to give Tim (and his cohorts) someone else to stalk/attack/hate, and wanted to see if they would take the bait if he brought Jay into the forest. Since they didn't seem to be interested (and I'm convinced Alex knows they were being followed, so you can't blame it on the lack of fish in the pond, it's definitely a bad bait), he told Jay to bring Jessica next time. Maybe they'd be more interested in her. (But really, maybe they would be!)

The parallel theory, Jay (and potentially Jessica) would still be the bait, but maybe he was hoping to draw Tim in to attack him, rather than divert his attention. In this case, maybe he was hoping to leave Jessica out at first 'cause she might not appreciate seeing Alex, who she already doesn't trust, attack someone when she doesn't know the story. But so long as Jay's not enough, either he knows she wouldn't come alone, or he still wants Jay to be there in case Tim attacks, and he believes Jay would still fight to defend Alex. He might need his help, too, considering how homocidal Tim (and cohorts) have been shown to be around Alex.

CraicIsMighty (pg.19) wrote:
At 6:00 the sky really reminds me off Entry 29, I totally thought this was going to turn into noentry for a second.

Also, does anyone else think Jay looks kinda ..."not right" when he's just sitting outside the tunnel? I wonder if something happened during that 12 minute blackout.


... What if it did? I mean, what if when Jay was changing that tape in the end of entry 38, something scared him shitless, he ran off, found the blood in the tunnel... Maybe he lost a whole day in there, for all we know, teleporting and being slendytranced, and Alex was just there to pick up where they left off with a memory gap so Jay didn't get suspicious. Maybe Tim lead Jay back to the tunnel hoping to spark his memory of the time that just got stolen. Hell, maybe that tape he originally changed to was the noentry tape, which somehow got into Tim/TTA's posession. Maybe that's what Jay just stole ("just" stole in the past) from Alex' apartment! I mean, it might just be me nitpicking, and it might just be a production "error," but it looked like Alex was walking around behind Jay to his right at the end of 38, then at the beginning of the new tape he's in front to Jay's left... I mean, it's not like he couldn't have just walked all the way around him, it just seems a LITTLE odd.




The tape. I've heard (well, read) plenty of theories of what could be on it, most of them dreaded "LOL just kidding, this is nothing! HAHA!" concept. But what if Alex really is (part of) TTA? (I don't subscribe to this theory, but for the sake of argument...) Maybe it's got raw footage used in past TTA uploads, or a completed TTA video that was never uploaded? ... Or maybe that's what's on the tapes, and Alex lifted it off of Tim (or someone else) at some point? ... Or Jay?

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