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[Hylianhero777]

Sorry if this has been said before, didn't want to read through 20 pages of thread. Anyways, I think that this could all be leading up to #52. I bet anything that the thing alex wants to show Jay and Jess in rosswood actually IS this building (somehow, maybe this is in rosswood? It looks like it's in some foresty area) and he is going to try and do what he did to Tim and Brian (whatever that may be.) This has me really excited for the season finale, it's going to be awesome!

[Minihil]

Here are my thoughts. Most of which I do not think are entirely accurate, but I feel they're worth mentioning. Some of these may be incredibly obvious, but I'm going to say them anyway!

I believe this was the most recent entry before Entry #22. At the end of #22, Alex notes that he and Seth were the last two left, which means Brian was already gone. Of course, maybe he really was lying, but I'll get to that in a bit.

It should take place after all the other entries with the original Marble Hornets footage. Of course, with what we just saw, Brian and Tim should in theory be gone by now, so that should be obvious. Though nothing's quite ruled out yet.

"...[Seth] wasn't feeling too good, so he just stayed home today." I'm not sure whether I think this is a lie or not. If I'm right and this entry does take place before #22, then Seth should be alive at the time of #51. But why? If he was telling the truth and Seth came to this place with him before, why didn't Alex get rid of him then? It would have been much simpler. Was he lying about coming here with Seth, then? Why would he do that--to add legitimacy to his logic? I'm not sure what to make of this. But let's move on.

Given the assumptions that Seth is still alive, and #22 comes after #51, the logical conclusion one might come to is that Alex was getting rid of Seth in #22.

This is where a whole lot of questions come up, many of them contradicting one another in their implications.

Alex's tone was dramatically different in #22 than it is in #51. He even said to Seth, "Let's go. Right now." just before Seth went in another direction and "something" happened to him. As though he was WORRIED something would happen. If he was faking it, he was certainly pretending to be friendly a lot better than usual, and even if he was, why try to leave? Did he sense that he was in danger as well?

For that matter, why did he supposedly lose his memories then, but not with Brian? Was he really lying? Did he do something wrong that time? Was his allegiance with The Operator one time, but not the other? Is there even such a thing as allegiance to The Operator?

And I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but Alex's "everyone is gone" at the end of #22 still doesn't make any sense to me. For starters, obviously, there's Jay, who is clearly not gone. Maybe he was at some point. He admitted that he has gaps in his memory of himself during the original Marble Hornets shootings. Just how large were those? Did he disappear for a while, and simply not remember it? Wouldn't you think such a large chunk of memory missing would have Jay raising some eyebrows?

For that matter, what's the deal with Jay getting the tapes from Alex? This has been bothering me for a long time. I assume that this happens pretty quickly after Alex says he's going to burn them all in #22. Wouldn't he be like "whoa hey wait, Jay, you're alright?" Unless he didn't recognize it as Jay, of course...

There is a very large disconnect between what happened during the original shooting of Marble Hornets and everything that's happened since Jay started investigating the tapes. Personally, I believe this to be a result of even more memory loss, which was somehow undone by Jay opening the "case" back up again. Much in the same way that Amy taking out Alex's old camera caused The Operator to show up at their house suddenly. I don't think the timing of these things are just a coincidence.

It seems like there's a certain point where things just stop being weird entirely. It seemed as though Jay had little trouble tracking Tim down for #15. Was Tim living normally again until Jay found him and brought up Marble Hornets again? Maybe he had no clue where Alex went, so "exacting revenge" for what he apparently did to Brian wasn't possible until Jay gave him another lead three years later?

For that matter, since Tim is alive after what happened, could it be assumed that Brian also is?

I still really like the idea of Brian being hoody, so while I very well may be wrong about that, this is my current idea of what may have happened during the original shooting of Marble Hornets. I included some very obvious details just to be thorough. I have footnotes this time to keep things maybe a little bit less cluttered!

1. Alex starts work on Marble Hornets.
2. Alex notices The Operator has been following him.
3. The closeness of his encounters increases significantly. He begins to become paranoid, starts filming himself constantly, acting in strange ways, etc.
4. He starts staying in Brian's house, perhaps along with Seth?[*]
5. Something changes in Alex's mind, or perhaps the situation.
6. He stops filming himself constantly.[**] [***]
7. He does something to Tim, which leads to him being where he is in #51.
8. He leads Brian to the hospital, where Tim is. He actually brings his camera this time because he needs it to convince Brian that they're there for shooting. This was the only tape he filmed after he decided to stop filming himself, which would be why he didn't give it to Jay.[****]
9. Jay and Sarah disappear, perhaps due to Alex.
10. Something happens to Alex's memory.[*****]
11. Alex goes to Seth, who is the only one left, and explains things.
12. He and Seth team up, and end up in "the basement" somehow.
13. Seth bites the dust, Alex escapes and loses his memory again.
14. Alex resolves to burn the tapes forever.
15. Jay changes his mind somehow, and he gets the tapes (except for at least one, apparently.)
16. Jay puts the tapes away. This causes the Operator to go silent for a long time.
17. Those who are still alive after that (which I believe may very well be everybody, though it could go either way) have lost their memories of what happened, only vaguely remember the shooting of Marble Hornets.[******]

* _{This is based on a few things. At the end of Entry #22, Alex says "I thought I would be safer here." "I just woke up in this house...with the tape." "I'm leaving this house." These imply to me that the "here" he would be safer in is the house he's in while he says these things. There's quite a number of entries with footage of Alex that seem to take place in the same house Jay visits a number of times in season 1. Jay also ended up teleported into the basement from #22 while in that house. The hallway from the front door and the furniture shown in #20, which was stated to be Brian's house, also match up.}
** _{There are two reasons I believe he did this. First, and most obviously, he turned the camera off several times during shooting with Brian. Secondly, it seems as though Alex's entire agenda changed at some point, and I can't think of when that may have been during the first season's entries. It doesn't seem to me as though it was caught on camera. That, plus it seems to be implied that Alex was somehow responsible for what happened to Tim that put him in that building--which we don't see on the tapes. Of course, maybe he wasn't. But who can really say for sure about anything at this point.}
*** _{I should also note that this would closely mimic what he's been doing during the 7 months Jay can't remember. That is, once things start to get a little fishy, he stops recording. After he attacked Bruce and picked his camera up, the first thing he did was turn it off--same as in #51. In #38 and #50 Alex doesn't have his camera on him. Perhaps he's repeating the process he initially went through during the original Marble Hornets shooting? Going from trying to figure things out, to...whatever the hell he did with Bruce, and apparently Tim/Brian? How this occured is still unknown. There are too many gaps in the events.}
**** _{If he truly lost his memory before giving the rest of the tapes to Jay, though, how would he know to keep that one? Had he watched them all before handing them over, and didn't want to be called out on doing something he doesn't even remember? I can't really make sense of this.}
***** _{This is the part I'm most unsure on. What could have happened? I just feel like there's a large different between Alex in #22 and Alex in #51, and this is the most logical way I can find to explain it. Unless, of course, Alex was simply under The Operator's control for #51 somehow, and then forgot about it (which tends to happen). This step would also end up being unnecessary if Alex really was trying to get rid of Seth in #22, but like I said before, I don't know if I believe this, given Alex's behavior.}
****** _{This would imply that Tim did as well, which would mean he'd have to rediscover all that happened at some point, which I think is reasonable. A rather groundless idea I had was that maybe Brian avoided memory wipage somehow. Maybe he really was the only person Alex did this exact thing to? Maybe Tim, Jay and Sarah weren't "disappeared" entirely. Tim still being there at all shows me that maybe Alex isn't just out to get rid of them all, at least not immediately, and if something were to get in the way, he might not have gotten around to it. Assuming that's the case, perhaps Brian refound Tim and got him up to speed? They are friends, after all, and maybe Brian had lost track of Tim until Jay Scouted him out. Tim DID say that he hadn't heard from Brian for quite a while in #15. Who knows! The possibilities are endless and most of them don't have much to back them up.}

The one major thing I want to point out that could be wrong with this theory is the timing of when Alex starts staying at Brian's (because I am convinced that he did at some point either way). This is simply conjecture, but it doesn't sound from this entry like Alex was staying there while Brian was still around. It actually seems very weird that he would be doing it at all, and I think it makes more sense for him to stay there when Brian isn't. Especially considering that he seemed to be alone during the entries he was in Brian's house.

Of course, there are still many other things one could point out that would make parts of this theory lose credibility, and I myself certainly am not convinced of everything, but as of now that's how things are starting to look to me. I'll leave it up to others to scrutinize, so I'm not just arguing with myself the entire post. And maybe somebody will think of something I didn't! That would be neat.

But anyway I don't know where I'm going with any of this anymore and I'm having trouble organizing my thoughts, so I'll just stop here for now.

(One other thing I want to make note of, actually. The note that told Jay to search at "the red tower" (where the tape with Entry #22 was found) was in Brian's house. If Alex truly was staying there, did he leave that note for somebody to find the tape he hid at the tower? Why hide that tape? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that maybe Tim stole it from Alex and put it there for Jay to find, which seems sufficiently roundabout of Tim for it to make sense.)

_{(Also I'm sorry that my posts are so long.)}

[Brantonny]

[Radiolab Hope]

Why are people assuming that Alex did not forget this event?

[Dumbalias]

Somebody probably already posted this, but, if not:

[mokie]

[Dumbalias]

Looks to me like Alex is summoning slenderman somehow. In a previous entry, I said something about him having to kill the victims first, but apparently not.

But then again, Tim was already in that same area. Somehow Alex is immune to slender sickness.

[hughesta74]

Just saw this holy shit it was good. Gonna post my thoughts when I get home from school.

[TheMusicalVito]

[Radiolab Hope]

[fluxpuppy]

I feel like this entry was before entry 20 when Brian first seems to be missing or "getting snacks" I realise Tim is in that video but maybe he lost his memory of being in the hospital, like Jay has lost his memory before.. If Brian is laying dead or Unconscious in an abandoned building that could be why he was missing from entry 20, maybe tims cough in 20 originated from inhaling dust and espestos from the floor of the hospital room... But the main thing that I think makes sense, maybe this hospital is where Tim found his mysterious pills? Just a thought.

/Edited for iPod auto-correct owning me

[Mariolee]

So, we ever get an explanation for the HD switch?

[Skaukatten]

How on earth did I miss the new entry? Just watched and read the thread, loved the whole thing. Do we know yet how many entries this season will be? If this is just an "ordinary" entry, I have some high expectations for the finale...

[Alois]

[Shiawase]